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Post by missmystic on Apr 11, 2016 13:51:35 GMT -5
Wow, SUCH an intense episode! I was so emotional! I love how they started this season, I actually think it works better this way than the way they do it in the books (which is similar, but I won't tell you guys any details unless you want to know spoilers). But yeah, just wow ... Catriona did SUCH an incredible job in this episode. I could feel her heartbreak right along with her. I just loved it, every minute.
It's interesting hearing people's perspectives who haven't read the books, because it seems like there is a consensus in disliking Frank. I don't know if its from reading the books or not, but I actually don't feel that way. I mean don't get me wrong, Jamie before ALL OTHER MEN for all time! haha. But I feel for Frank, and I actually feel like he is a really good man. I mean it's kind of hard to really imagine the perspective, because not only are we already inclined towards Jamie in all things, but then there is BJR who sways the opinions towards the negative, and also the fact that these are time periods that are very different from ours. Claire is a modern woman in the 1700's with Jamie, but even in the time she's from she is still far from the world of modern women we know today. The 40's were still very patriarchal. So for a man like Frank, living in the time they did, to not only accept everything she told him and trust her (him being a scholar too makes that particularly impressive), but to also be ready and willing to forgive all the past and raise another man's child is really kind of other worldly to me. Most men in his situation would probably have divorced her on the spot, and probably hit her too. I'm not saying that's ok obviously, and if this were the 21st century I would never say that a man showing restraint with physical violence was something to be praised lol. But for this story and that time period, I would say that. Anyways, that's just my opinion of course. I totally understand how it can come across from the other side of things too. But I did really feel for Frank in this episode. He went through a lot, lost everything that mattered to him, got it back only to find out that nothing was how he thought and nothing would ever be the same again. That's heartbreaking.
On another note, I wanted to point out how much I appreciate them showing the struggle Jamie is having in dealing with the incredible trauma that he has been through. I'm glad they aren't trying to make it seem like he's just fine now. He is also doing a beautiful job of showing that there is a darkness that has been created in him now, that he is clearly fighting hard to keep at bay and stay strong for Claire. Their love is so beautiful!! *sobbing face* lol
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 11, 2016 14:29:02 GMT -5
Wow, SUCH an intense episode! I was so emotional! I love how they started this season, I actually think it works better this way than the way they do it in the books (which is similar, but I won't tell you guys any details unless you want to know spoilers). But yeah, just wow ... Catriona did SUCH an incredible job in this episode. I could feel her heartbreak right along with her. I just loved it, every minute.
It's interesting hearing people's perspectives who haven't read the books, because it seems like there is a consensus in disliking Frank. I don't know if its from reading the books or not, but I actually don't feel that way. I mean don't get me wrong, Jamie before ALL OTHER MEN for all time! haha. But I feel for Frank, and I actually feel like he is a really good man. I mean it's kind of hard to really imagine the perspective, because not only are we already inclined towards Jamie in all things, but then there is BJR who sways the opinions towards the negative, and also the fact that these are time periods that are very different from ours. Claire is a modern woman in the 1700's with Jamie, but even in the time she's from she is still far from the world of modern women we know today. The 40's were still very patriarchal. So for a man like Frank, living in the time they did, to not only accept everything she told him and trust her (him being a scholar too makes that particularly impressive), but to also be ready and willing to forgive all the past and raise another man's child is really kind of other worldly to me. Most men in his situation would probably have divorced her on the spot, and probably hit her too. I'm not saying that's ok obviously, and if this were the 21st century I would never say that a man showing restraint with physical violence was something to be praised lol. But for this story and that time period, I would say that. Anyways, that's just my opinion of course. I totally understand how it can come across from the other side of things too. But I did really feel for Frank in this episode. He went through a lot, lost everything that mattered to him, got it back only to find out that nothing was how he thought and nothing would ever be the same again. That's heartbreaking.
On another note, I wanted to point out how much I appreciate them showing the struggle Jamie is having in dealing with the incredible trauma that he has been through. I'm glad they aren't trying to make it seem like he's just fine now. He is also doing a beautiful job of showing that there is a darkness that has been created in him now, that he is clearly fighting hard to keep at bay and stay strong for Claire. Their love is so beautiful!! *sobbing face* lol
I can't wait for more!!! And that is how you do a time jump!! (just saying JP). I am behind Jamie all the way but from Frank's POV, I think his reactions were reasonable. He spent the week with the thrilling news his wife was alive, found out she recoiled at his touch, got married to another man, loved him WAY more than she ever loved Frank and btw was carrying his child. That might call for smashing something (not her of course.) I loved the parallels as well: Jamie took a leap of faith to believe her story last season and Frank has decided to take that leap too. My other fan-girl moments were Claire confiding to housekeeper -- she really was in mourning -- and SPEAKING FRENCH. The actors are earning their pay. Finally I loved how Jamie is still physical with Claire but was uncomfortable on the bed. That subtlety was acted amazingly and says a lot about Jamie's struggles. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 11, 2016 14:33:44 GMT -5
Yay, so happy to discuss this season! To be clear on my end, I'm not part of the "bash Frank" team, but more so on the Jamie train. I'm just rooting for them so much. I was thinking how tough that would be on Frank for her to come back out of the blue after two years. But, the feel of the different scenes swayed me more towards Jamie to where I was like, oh that's too bad Frank...Yay Jamie! Lol.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 11, 2016 18:32:20 GMT -5
Wow, SUCH an intense episode! I was so emotional! I love how they started this season, I actually think it works better this way than the way they do it in the books (which is similar, but I won't tell you guys any details unless you want to know spoilers). But yeah, just wow ... Catriona did SUCH an incredible job in this episode. I could feel her heartbreak right along with her. I just loved it, every minute.
It's interesting hearing people's perspectives who haven't read the books, because it seems like there is a consensus in disliking Frank. I don't know if its from reading the books or not, but I actually don't feel that way. I mean don't get me wrong, Jamie before ALL OTHER MEN for all time! haha. But I feel for Frank, and I actually feel like he is a really good man. I mean it's kind of hard to really imagine the perspective, because not only are we already inclined towards Jamie in all things, but then there is BJR who sways the opinions towards the negative, and also the fact that these are time periods that are very different from ours. Claire is a modern woman in the 1700's with Jamie, but even in the time she's from she is still far from the world of modern women we know today. The 40's were still very patriarchal. So for a man like Frank, living in the time they did, to not only accept everything she told him and trust her (him being a scholar too makes that particularly impressive), but to also be ready and willing to forgive all the past and raise another man's child is really kind of other worldly to me. Most men in his situation would probably have divorced her on the spot, and probably hit her too. I'm not saying that's ok obviously, and if this were the 21st century I would never say that a man showing restraint with physical violence was something to be praised lol. But for this story and that time period, I would say that. Anyways, that's just my opinion of course. I totally understand how it can come across from the other side of things too. But I did really feel for Frank in this episode. He went through a lot, lost everything that mattered to him, got it back only to find out that nothing was how he thought and nothing would ever be the same again. That's heartbreaking.
On another note, I wanted to point out how much I appreciate them showing the struggle Jamie is having in dealing with the incredible trauma that he has been through. I'm glad they aren't trying to make it seem like he's just fine now. He is also doing a beautiful job of showing that there is a darkness that has been created in him now, that he is clearly fighting hard to keep at bay and stay strong for Claire. Their love is so beautiful!! *sobbing face* lol
I can't wait for more!!! While it's true that the 40's were more patriarchal I don't think hitting women or threatening to hit women was acceptable even then. Although it was swept under the rug a lot more easily and not talked about when it did happen. But I do see your point. However, I'm just going to throw out there that he did make demands of the situation that she basically must obey or who knows what would happen? That's not really unconditional love even though he used those words. There were conditions put on it. I have NOT read the books, so my view of Frank is still limited, but I don't see him as a warm or kind man. Quite the contrary. To me he resembles the type of man who would abuse his power over her now that he has asserted it again. Maybe that's just my life experience talking but even abusers will accept situations like this so long as they regain their control. They are really just terribly afraid of not having control over the person because then they themselves feel out of control and we see Frank act very much out of control when he smashed up the garage. I guess the way he was acting to me seemed very much like that was the deal with him. It seemed almost like he just wanted to save face with the world and it wasn't about love at all, but power and control over her. Even the fact that he burned the clothes which were 'highly valued items' felt negative to me, like his way of destroying her love for Jamie in his own mind. I'm probably overthinking it all but I haven't got much to go on to know how Frank really is yet and in the future as I'm sure she won't 'obey' his demands. Claire actually seemed somewhat afraid of him in a couple different places which added to my suspicions. If he's really a great guy in the books, they sure aren't getting that feeling across to me as of yet. |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 12, 2016 8:02:45 GMT -5
Wow, SUCH an intense episode! I was so emotional! I love how they started this season, I actually think it works better this way than the way they do it in the books (which is similar, but I won't tell you guys any details unless you want to know spoilers). But yeah, just wow ... Catriona did SUCH an incredible job in this episode. I could feel her heartbreak right along with her. I just loved it, every minute.
It's interesting hearing people's perspectives who haven't read the books, because it seems like there is a consensus in disliking Frank. I don't know if its from reading the books or not, but I actually don't feel that way. I mean don't get me wrong, Jamie before ALL OTHER MEN for all time! haha. But I feel for Frank, and I actually feel like he is a really good man. I mean it's kind of hard to really imagine the perspective, because not only are we already inclined towards Jamie in all things, but then there is BJR who sways the opinions towards the negative, and also the fact that these are time periods that are very different from ours. Claire is a modern woman in the 1700's with Jamie, but even in the time she's from she is still far from the world of modern women we know today. The 40's were still very patriarchal. So for a man like Frank, living in the time they did, to not only accept everything she told him and trust her (him being a scholar too makes that particularly impressive), but to also be ready and willing to forgive all the past and raise another man's child is really kind of other worldly to me. Most men in his situation would probably have divorced her on the spot, and probably hit her too. I'm not saying that's ok obviously, and if this were the 21st century I would never say that a man showing restraint with physical violence was something to be praised lol. But for this story and that time period, I would say that. Anyways, that's just my opinion of course. I totally understand how it can come across from the other side of things too. But I did really feel for Frank in this episode. He went through a lot, lost everything that mattered to him, got it back only to find out that nothing was how he thought and nothing would ever be the same again. That's heartbreaking.
On another note, I wanted to point out how much I appreciate them showing the struggle Jamie is having in dealing with the incredible trauma that he has been through. I'm glad they aren't trying to make it seem like he's just fine now. He is also doing a beautiful job of showing that there is a darkness that has been created in him now, that he is clearly fighting hard to keep at bay and stay strong for Claire. Their love is so beautiful!! *sobbing face* lol
I can't wait for more!!! While it's true that the 40's were more patriarchal I don't think hitting women or threatening to hit women was acceptable even then. Although it was swept under the rug a lot more easily and not talked about when it did happen. But I do see your point. However, I'm just going to throw out there that he did make demands of the situation that she basically must obey or who knows what would happen? That's not really unconditional love even though he used those words. There were conditions put on it. I have NOT read the books, so my view of Frank is still limited, but I don't see him as a warm or kind man. Quite the contrary. To me he resembles the type of man who would abuse his power over her now that he has asserted it again. Maybe that's just my life experience talking but even abusers will accept situations like this so long as they regain their control. They are really just terribly afraid of not having control over the person because then they themselves feel out of control and we see Frank act very much out of control when he smashed up the garage. I guess the way he was acting to me seemed very much like that was the deal with him. It seemed almost like he just wanted to save face with the world and it wasn't about love at all, but power and control over her. Even the fact that he burned the clothes which were 'highly valued items' felt negative to me, like his way of destroying her love for Jamie in his own mind. I'm probably overthinking it all but I haven't got much to go on to know how Frank really is yet and in the future as I'm sure she won't 'obey' his demands. Claire actually seemed somewhat afraid of him in a couple different places which added to my suspicions. If he's really a great guy in the books, they sure aren't getting that feeling across to me as of yet.
I definitely understand what you're saying. And honestly I think its more a matter of personal interpretation, not that one way is definitely true or the other way is. It may be that the way you feel about it is exactly what they are going for in fact, I don't really know. I'm just looking at it differently I guess. For example, I didn't see his raised fist in that moment as actually being a threat. To me it felt more like an instinctual reaction to lash out and he just stopped himself. Not that he was trying to scare her. And I interpreted her fear in some of those scenes as coming from her experiences with BJR, not because of Frank himself.
In the beginning of the story before she ever met Jamie she was very much in love with Frank, and definitely not ever afraid of him. I think BJR really changed how she sees him. Because how can you look at a man who looks exactly like an evil sadistic monster and not feel some fear? Even if you know it's not the same person. It took her a really long time to come to the place in her heart where she chose Jamie over Frank. Think of how many times she desperately tried to get back to him, even putting people's lives in danger to do so. She really did love him. That's why I don't see their relationship as anything dark. To me she just found another man who was so beyond amazing that no one else could ever possibly compare. Even someone she once loved very much.
And I have to say that if I was in Frank's position I would probably make conditions as well. If I felt like I was having to work that hard to rise above all the things that were breaking my heart to forgive and accept these shocking changes to the life I thought I had, I would want to know the person I was doing that for was willing to show me similar kindness. And it wasn't as though he was saying "You have no choice but to stay with me and obey." She could have left him. It was her choice too. The way I saw it was they were making a mutual bargain to move forward and try to have a decent life together, despite all the hardship of the past.
BUT, as I said, I can also totally see the other side of it and the way it came across to you. And I don't really know what they intended the audience to feel. It could be either way. And it could also be that the books are coloring my view a bit, and for all I know they are trying to change some of the perspective for the show. It's definitely interesting to me to see both sides though.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 12, 2016 8:38:01 GMT -5
While it's true that the 40's were more patriarchal I don't think hitting women or threatening to hit women was acceptable even then. Although it was swept under the rug a lot more easily and not talked about when it did happen. But I do see your point. However, I'm just going to throw out there that he did make demands of the situation that she basically must obey or who knows what would happen? That's not really unconditional love even though he used those words. There were conditions put on it. I have NOT read the books, so my view of Frank is still limited, but I don't see him as a warm or kind man. Quite the contrary. To me he resembles the type of man who would abuse his power over her now that he has asserted it again. Maybe that's just my life experience talking but even abusers will accept situations like this so long as they regain their control. They are really just terribly afraid of not having control over the person because then they themselves feel out of control and we see Frank act very much out of control when he smashed up the garage. I guess the way he was acting to me seemed very much like that was the deal with him. It seemed almost like he just wanted to save face with the world and it wasn't about love at all, but power and control over her. Even the fact that he burned the clothes which were 'highly valued items' felt negative to me, like his way of destroying her love for Jamie in his own mind. I'm probably overthinking it all but I haven't got much to go on to know how Frank really is yet and in the future as I'm sure she won't 'obey' his demands. Claire actually seemed somewhat afraid of him in a couple different places which added to my suspicions. If he's really a great guy in the books, they sure aren't getting that feeling across to me as of yet.
I definitely understand what you're saying. And honestly I think its more a matter of personal interpretation, not that one way is definitely true or the other way is. It may be that the way you feel about it is exactly what they are going for in fact, I don't really know. I'm just looking at it differently I guess. For example, I didn't see his raised fist in that moment as actually being a threat. To me it felt more like an instinctual reaction to lash out and he just stopped himself. Not that he was trying to scare her. And I interpreted her fear in some of those scenes as coming from her experiences with BJR, not because of Frank himself.
In the beginning of the story before she ever met Jamie she was very much in love with Frank, and definitely not ever afraid of him. I think BJR really changed how she sees him. Because how can you look at a man who looks exactly like an evil sadistic monster and not feel some fear? Even if you know it's not the same person. It took her a really long time to come to the place in her heart where she chose Jamie over Frank. Think of how many times she desperately tried to get back to him, even putting people's lives in danger to do so. She really did love him. That's why I don't see their relationship as anything dark. To me she just found another man who was so beyond amazing that no one else could ever possibly compare. Even someone she once loved very much.
And I have to say that if I was in Frank's position I would probably make conditions as well. If I felt like I was having to work that hard to rise above all the things that were breaking my heart to forgive and accept these shocking changes to the life I thought I had, I would want to know the person I was doing that for was willing to show me similar kindness. And it wasn't as though he was saying "You have no choice but to stay with me and obey." She could have left him. It was her choice too. The way I saw it was they were making a mutual bargain to move forward and try to have a decent life together, despite all the hardship of the past.
BUT, as I said, I can also totally see the other side of it and the way it came across to you. And I don't really know what they intended the audience to feel. It could be either way. And it could also be that the books are coloring my view a bit, and for all I know they are trying to change some of the perspective for the show. It's definitely interesting to me to see both sides though.
This right here could be it, because *I* as a viewer spent more time seeing BJR on my screen and if they are indeed going with that theory, well it worked, on me, too! LOL So, I guess now Frank has an uphill battle with Claire and me as well. This should be fun watching and interesting to see if he manages to win me over. The actor is fantastic. I mean he's really good. I am completely convinced by him no matter which character he is playing. As much as I am not really a fan of either character, I enjoy his acting very much anyway. |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 12, 2016 8:55:12 GMT -5
I definitely understand what you're saying. And honestly I think its more a matter of personal interpretation, not that one way is definitely true or the other way is. It may be that the way you feel about it is exactly what they are going for in fact, I don't really know. I'm just looking at it differently I guess. For example, I didn't see his raised fist in that moment as actually being a threat. To me it felt more like an instinctual reaction to lash out and he just stopped himself. Not that he was trying to scare her. And I interpreted her fear in some of those scenes as coming from her experiences with BJR, not because of Frank himself.
In the beginning of the story before she ever met Jamie she was very much in love with Frank, and definitely not ever afraid of him. I think BJR really changed how she sees him. Because how can you look at a man who looks exactly like an evil sadistic monster and not feel some fear? Even if you know it's not the same person. It took her a really long time to come to the place in her heart where she chose Jamie over Frank. Think of how many times she desperately tried to get back to him, even putting people's lives in danger to do so. She really did love him. That's why I don't see their relationship as anything dark. To me she just found another man who was so beyond amazing that no one else could ever possibly compare. Even someone she once loved very much.
And I have to say that if I was in Frank's position I would probably make conditions as well. If I felt like I was having to work that hard to rise above all the things that were breaking my heart to forgive and accept these shocking changes to the life I thought I had, I would want to know the person I was doing that for was willing to show me similar kindness. And it wasn't as though he was saying "You have no choice but to stay with me and obey." She could have left him. It was her choice too. The way I saw it was they were making a mutual bargain to move forward and try to have a decent life together, despite all the hardship of the past.
BUT, as I said, I can also totally see the other side of it and the way it came across to you. And I don't really know what they intended the audience to feel. It could be either way. And it could also be that the books are coloring my view a bit, and for all I know they are trying to change some of the perspective for the show. It's definitely interesting to me to see both sides though.
This right here could be it, because *I* as a viewer spent more time seeing BJR on my screen and if they are indeed going with that theory, well it worked, on me, too! LOL So, I guess now Frank has an uphill battle with Claire and me as well. This should be fun watching and interesting to see if he manages to win me over. The actor is fantastic. I mean he's really good. I am completely convinced by him no matter which character he is playing. As much as I am not really a fan of either character, I enjoy his acting very much anyway.
Oh I totally agree! I wasn't convinced when I first heard he was cast in the role, but MAN he has done such an incredible job! And to be able to become BJR must be such a dark place to have to go. Its amazing to me that he can pull back from that and be Frank. And yeah, I'm totally with you in looking forward to seeing everything else he's going to bring to the table here. Just fabulous.
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 12, 2016 14:46:23 GMT -5
Agree with what both of you are saying. We rarely hear Frank's POV in the books so this is new territory whether you are book reader or not. (I've read a long post from the book author on Frank's POV because another fanbase was up in arms over him and she reached out to clarify because he is a dividing character, lol.) Regardless, this is a TV series and I suspect we will see more of Frank this season because Tobias is such an amazing actor! Am trying to balance that with my need to see Jamie in every scene.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 12, 2016 15:50:28 GMT -5
Good ratings! deadline.com/2016/04/outlander-ratings-season-2-starz-debut-high-the-girlfriend-experience-1201736263/Up 102% from the Season 1 premiere of August 9, 2014, Saturday’s Season 2 debut is the best any Starz series has done in a series or season opener. The previous high belonged to Power, which had 1.43 million for its Season 2 debut on June 6. Over multiple plays, Outlander drew 2.68 million viewers this weekend. The Season 2 opener of the series executive produced by Ronald D. Moore was up 19% in total viewers from last year’s Season 1 return of April 4. The heavily promoted opener also saw a rise of 49% over the Season 1 finale of May 30, 2015. |
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Post by ritz on Apr 13, 2016 7:57:57 GMT -5
Good ratings! deadline.com/2016/04/outlander-ratings-season-2-starz-debut-high-the-girlfriend-experience-1201736263/Up 102% from the Season 1 premiere of August 9, 2014, Saturday’s Season 2 debut is the best any Starz series has done in a series or season opener. The previous high belonged to Power, which had 1.43 million for its Season 2 debut on June 6. Over multiple plays, Outlander drew 2.68 million viewers this weekend. The Season 2 opener of the series executive produced by Ronald D. Moore was up 19% in total viewers from last year’s Season 1 return of April 4. The heavily promoted opener also saw a rise of 49% over the Season 1 finale of May 30, 2015. That's great! Glad to see Outlander doing so well! They deserve it! It's a great show! I need to get caught up though. I quit watching right before the Jamie torture scene episode. I already knew what Was going to happen, and I had no desire to watch it play ou on a TV screen. Then life just got busy and i haven't gotten caught up, and I don't want to watch any episodes out of order. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 15, 2016 11:57:21 GMT -5
Thank God for Outlander! It's taking the sting out of that mess that is TVD for me...now this spoiler looks mighty interesting to me. I can't wait for the next episode! tvline.com/2016/04/14/outlander-photo-season-2-jamie-annalise-france/Outlander First Look: Um, Who's That Woman With Her Hands on Jamie? If you’re anything like the average Outlander enthusiast, you prefer your Jamie-touching to be done by someone brunette, forthright and with a tendency to blurt “Jesus H. Roosevelt Christ!” in times of stress. So, who’s the blonde with her paws on the redheaded goods in this exclusive photo from Saturday’s episode (9/8c)? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 15, 2016 17:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 15, 2016 20:01:30 GMT -5
Good ratings! deadline.com/2016/04/outlander-ratings-season-2-starz-debut-high-the-girlfriend-experience-1201736263/Up 102% from the Season 1 premiere of August 9, 2014, Saturday’s Season 2 debut is the best any Starz series has done in a series or season opener. The previous high belonged to Power, which had 1.43 million for its Season 2 debut on June 6. Over multiple plays, Outlander drew 2.68 million viewers this weekend. The Season 2 opener of the series executive produced by Ronald D. Moore was up 19% in total viewers from last year’s Season 1 return of April 4. The heavily promoted opener also saw a rise of 49% over the Season 1 finale of May 30, 2015. It was fantastic - I watched it twice myself!! |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 15, 2016 20:05:17 GMT -5
I definitely understand what you're saying. And honestly I think its more a matter of personal interpretation, not that one way is definitely true or the other way is. It may be that the way you feel about it is exactly what they are going for in fact, I don't really know. I'm just looking at it differently I guess. For example, I didn't see his raised fist in that moment as actually being a threat. To me it felt more like an instinctual reaction to lash out and he just stopped himself. Not that he was trying to scare her. And I interpreted her fear in some of those scenes as coming from her experiences with BJR, not because of Frank himself.
In the beginning of the story before she ever met Jamie she was very much in love with Frank, and definitely not ever afraid of him. I think BJR really changed how she sees him. Because how can you look at a man who looks exactly like an evil sadistic monster and not feel some fear? Even if you know it's not the same person. It took her a really long time to come to the place in her heart where she chose Jamie over Frank. Think of how many times she desperately tried to get back to him, even putting people's lives in danger to do so. She really did love him. That's why I don't see their relationship as anything dark. To me she just found another man who was so beyond amazing that no one else could ever possibly compare. Even someone she once loved very much.
And I have to say that if I was in Frank's position I would probably make conditions as well. If I felt like I was having to work that hard to rise above all the things that were breaking my heart to forgive and accept these shocking changes to the life I thought I had, I would want to know the person I was doing that for was willing to show me similar kindness. And it wasn't as though he was saying "You have no choice but to stay with me and obey." She could have left him. It was her choice too. The way I saw it was they were making a mutual bargain to move forward and try to have a decent life together, despite all the hardship of the past.
BUT, as I said, I can also totally see the other side of it and the way it came across to you. And I don't really know what they intended the audience to feel. It could be either way. And it could also be that the books are coloring my view a bit, and for all I know they are trying to change some of the perspective for the show. It's definitely interesting to me to see both sides though.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 16, 2016 19:05:53 GMT -5
I watched the latest episode and loved that one, too. The expressions from Jamie over her dress being so low cut, the 'honeypot' scene and his sheepish look like he was in trouble when the girl from his past shows up were just priceless. The way he tosses the 'money dude' off her was hilarious as well. I also loved the two Scots sparring in the garden and everyone staring like that's just not done. It was a marvelous episode! I really love this show!
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