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Post by chrizakathemole on Dec 15, 2014 17:13:33 GMT -5
This debate thread started by AnbuPrincess with the following message:
This debate was made in continuation of the topic started in the 6x05 thread so that it doesn't become too offtopic and for those who'd like to continue can do so here. Do you feel some characters constantly suffer more than their fair share while others have it way too good? Here's the thread where you can share your thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind this is a debate thread so if you plan to post here others will also have the opportunity to respond/question your thoughts as well.
I'd also like to add that it'd be great if things could remain objective and no unnecessary bashing of a character or brushing off their suffering just because said character isn't much of a favorite. There are appropriate anti threads where that can be done freely and people who do like said characters won't have to worry about seeing hate they try to avoid.
This is just a way to keep things civil and tensions from running high in this thread.
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Chrizackathemole: My anger to it is more everything always happens to Bonnie. finds her mother - mother gets killed , becomes powerful witch - dies , become ancore so shes alive - always in pain. It's like the writers use her to have a character be hurt and it irritates me as i like bonnie lol |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 15, 2014 17:47:40 GMT -5
Oh hell everyone on the show is treated horrid. Elena has only a brother left, two sets of parents and an Aunt are all dead...Damon is the show's personal whipping boy for all things evil as if he does anything more deserving of being treated like crap than anyone else, not a one of them is going to have a parent left after Caroline's Mom's demise, etc. etc. I mean it's crazy how brutal this show is on every character in it. Nobody seems to get any more than a few moments of happiness in 6 seasons. It's Lemony Snicket on steroids! I gotta wonder how it's going to end.
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Post by missmystic on Dec 17, 2014 11:11:28 GMT -5
That could be true. My anger to it is more everything always happens to Bonnie. finds her mother - mother gets killed , becomes powerful witch - dies , become ancore so shes alive - always in pain. It's like the writers use her to have a character be hurt and it irritates me as i like bonnie lol Ok, I have to agree with Doppel on this subject. Bonnie suffers a lot, yeah. And she is a loyal and honorable person, and it sucks when bad things happen to her. But she is not even close to the only person who has suffered tremendously on this show. And actually, in my opinion, it's Elena who has suffered the most. Elena may not be as good a person as Bonnie, or always make good decisions. But she is certainly not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination, and no more deserves all the horrible things that have happened to her than Bonnie does. She show began with Elena grieving the death of BOTH of her parents, who died in a car crash that she inexplicably survived and therefore had survivor's guilt, and also blamed herself for since she had made them come get her that night. That is already an incredibly heavy burden for a 17 year old girl to bear. Then she precedes to have to live through finding out her birth mother is a vampire and being threatened by this "mother", then having THAT mother die. Then her aunt died, the closest thing she had left to a mother, in a ritual that she was forced to be a part of and watch. Not to mention that she was momentarily forced to choose between Jenna and the man she loved. Can you even imagine being faced with something like that? Then her birth father died, sacrificing himself to save her. Then the last parental figure she had left died, Alaric, again in a way because of her, since they had been linked by a spell. Then her brother died! The last family she had left! And at the end of last season, the love of her life died!!! And all of these people that she loved dying all around her, that all happened along side NUMEROUS attempts on her own life, and everyone else she loved constantly being at deaths door, or being threatened, or tortured, and always she was being made to feel responsible for all the horrible things happening around her, because it was always connected to her in some way. Can you even imagine being a teenager and having to deal with that kind of death and destruction and blame and terror on a daily bases?? I can't even fathom it. One person in my life died and my whole world fell apart for a VERY long time. If I lost as many people as Elena has, I wouldn't be able to function. Bonnie lost her dad, and her Grams, and that was sad of course. And yeah, she has died for the people she loved. But I honestly don't feel like she has suffered any more than anyone else on the show. Caroline also lost her dad, and got kidnapped and tortured MANY times, even by her own father! Tyler lost both his parents, AND had to suffer through having every bone in his body breaking and reforming over and over and over again, and the woman he loved slept with the man who killed his mother and all his hybrid friends he was trying to save. Matt lost his sister, and has died several times, and been used as bait, and ransom, and had the crap beat out of him millions of times. Alaric lost his wife, and then his girlfriend, got killed a bunch of times, and then got turned into a homicidal lunatic. Jeremy lost his parents, and his aunt, and his uncle, and ALL 3 of his girlfriends have died! And he died. EVERYONE has lost people, or been tortured, or beat up, or threatened. That's just the kind of show this is. Which is pretty morbid lol. But it is what it is. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Dec 17, 2014 13:12:06 GMT -5
I agree others have too. However they all get good stuff too. Like Elena has relationships or everything in the show bending over backwards to help her. Damon Suffers BUT gets somew happiness. What does Bonnie get? She fell in love with Jeremy and he'd rather date a ghost that her. It seems worse to me personally for Bonnie as she gets NONE of the rewards the other do. She only seems to have bad over over and over. Any happiness she gets or anytime she tries to stand up for herself then with in 4 episodes the happiness is taken away and any sort of strength she has is gone. I mean if Elena suffers in comparison its taken away just as fast or is not that bad. as you put "her birth father died" yeah but she didn't care too much as he was a jerk to her and tried to kill her friends so much. Bonnies birth mother was someone Bonnie actually really wanted to reach and have in her life, died so Elena could live. Aunt Jenna died and we found out within a year she found peace. Bonnies gran was harassed on the other side then erased from existence. Alaric died only to come back like season 5 so like 1 or 2 years later. Bonnie's dad died and again no mention of peace and erased. Hell when Jeremy died + damon died she had her emotions turned off or memory lost till they return. Bonnie never gets that quick out. It's the face while say Damon suffers and gets beat up or killed he returns straight into stefan or elena's arms he always has someone. Bonnie just gets alone and bad. She needs the good of the other characters to balance it like them. But that's just how I see it  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 17, 2014 19:17:15 GMT -5
Bonnie did forgive Jeremy for what he did and she's had love along the way. I don't think everything is all bad for her, but I guess that's a matter of opinion. I just don't see her as being any less fortunate than most of the others. They all have horrible terrible lives....lol Any happiness any of them get is ripped from them almost instantly. Damon and Elena certainly have not gotten a whole lot of peace or happiness as a couple, at least not on screen where we can see it and who knows what Bonnie did offscreen while she was with her Dad every summer, right? He only recently died asnd prior to that when she wasn't around she was with her Dad supposedly having a good life. That was the general idea anyway.
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Post by missmystic on Dec 18, 2014 9:51:42 GMT -5
She fell in love with Jeremy and he'd rather date a ghost that her. Ok, not to get off topic, but this is a point of contention for me lol. I wasn't part of any boards back when I was watching the first couple seasons, so I never had an opportunity to express my feelings on this subject, so bear with me for a second and forgive my non-segue lol. I actually have complete sympathy for Jeremy in that situation, and I think Bonnie's reaction and attitude towards him was totally unreasonable. Did she have a right to be hurt? Sure, of course, her boyfriend was basically cheating on her. HOWEVER, in my opinion a HUGE allowance has to be made for the circumstances. Anna wasn't some girl Jeremy had dated and then broke up with. She DIED. He had been in the process of falling for this girl, and then she died. Imagine, realistically, if someone you loved died. You thought you would never see them again, never speak to them, never hug them or kiss them ever again. It wasn't a decision you made to stop being with them. They were ripped away from you by death. But then, all of a sudden and inexplicably, they come back to you! How would any normal human being react to that?? Because me, I would feel like every second was a gift, and I would want to do everything I thought I would never be able to do again. And I would expect anyone who cared about me to understand that. Is it complicated? Of course! Would it hurt the person I was with currently? Of course! And I would expect there to be some hard conversations and apologies to be made. But I would also still expect them to be able to understand the situation I was in and get past it and forgive me. Jeremy didn't choose Anna over Bonnie. He was given a miracle of suddenly being able to hold and kiss and see and talk to someone he thought he would never see or hold or kiss or talk to ever again. That is not something to be taken lightly. He did not stop loving Bonnie, nor did he want to lose her. He had a moment of weakness in a COMPLETELY understandable situation! And I never thought it was reasonable the way everyone reacted as though he had done something unforgivable. To me it was completely forgivable. I would love to have seen how anyone else would have reacted under the same circumstances. Ok, done with that rant lol. Sorry :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 11:30:37 GMT -5
I agree others have too. However they all get good stuff too. Like Elena has relationships or everything in the show bending over backwards to help her. Damon Suffers BUT gets somew happiness.What does Bonnie get? She fell in love with Jeremy and he'd rather date a ghost that her. It seems worse to me personally for Bonnie as she gets NONE of the rewards the other do. She only seems to have bad over over and over. Any happiness she gets or anytime she tries to stand up for herself then with in 4 episodes the happiness is taken away and any sort of strength she has is gone. I mean if Elena suffers in comparison its taken away just as fast or is not that bad. as you put "her birth father died" yeah but she didn't care too much as he was a jerk to her and tried to kill her friends so much. Bonnies birth mother was someone Bonnie actually really wanted to reach and have in her life, died so Elena could live. Aunt Jenna died and we found out within a year she found peace. Bonnies gran was harassed on the other side then erased from existence. Alaric died only to come back like season 5 so like 1 or 2 years later. Bonnie's dad died and again no mention of peace and erased. Hell when Jeremy died + damon died she had her emotions turned off or memory lost till they return. Bonnie never gets that quick out. It's the face while say Damon suffers and gets beat up or killed he returns straight into stefan or elena's arms he always has someone. Bonnie just gets alone and bad. She needs the good of the other characters to balance it like them.But that's just how I see it Things aren't necessarily that black and white. Something 'good' happening certainly doesn't suddenly erase the bad and with TVD's standards, any good is so far and few inbetween before the next drama filled plot comes down on them. Bonnie's character in general has suffered a lot, but as everyone has pointed out, it certainly isn't everyone having a field day while only Bonnie suffers by herself. Also think of Bonnie's character, think of events that have led to some of the bad. Bonnie's not some meek girl who gets pushed around. She's headstrong and also stubborn. It's always her choice to protect Elena, make sacrifices for her friends, place the responsibilities on herself as the witch with the powerful grimoire. Bonnie HIDES a lot of things from everyone. She makes it seem like a certain powerful spell is a piece of cake so as not to worry anyone. And when Elena or Stefan or Jeremy catches on, they always want her to stop, to find some other way but Bonnie herself pushes forward, sometimes behind their backs. People always like to claim how no one cares for Bonnie's wellbeing when Jeremy has done all this and more, he's always the one to bring up Bonnie, about her sacrifices, he's called out Elena, his own sister, in Bonnie's defense as well. Most of the time Bonnie keeps things secret, even from Jeremy. No one has any idea of how much spells takes out of Bonnie because she chooses not to let people know, to not let anyone worry, think something is wrong. Elena or anyone else can't be faulted for things Bonnie chooses to keep to herself. I also highly disagree with your last point of Damon suffering yet being able to run into either Stefan or Elena's arms, considering Stefan hasn't come to be on an affectionate level with Damon until the last couple eps of season five and even then not until Damon died and he felt what it was like to not have him around in season 6 recently. And Delena hasn't had any fluffy and happy moments with each other where the two are just themselves as a couple in a LONG while. It's never been that simple or easy for Damon's character. I know 'that's how you see it' and it's your opinion but if you wanted to talk more on this subject, it'd be great if a debate thread could be made. This is a quite a controversial topic as from the other posts made and I also wouldn't mind talking more on this subject without worrying about clogging up this particular thread lol. |
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Post by missmystic on Dec 18, 2014 12:03:53 GMT -5
I agree others have too. However they all get good stuff too. Like Elena has relationships or everything in the show bending over backwards to help her. Damon Suffers BUT gets somew happiness.What does Bonnie get? She fell in love with Jeremy and he'd rather date a ghost that her. It seems worse to me personally for Bonnie as she gets NONE of the rewards the other do. She only seems to have bad over over and over. Any happiness she gets or anytime she tries to stand up for herself then with in 4 episodes the happiness is taken away and any sort of strength she has is gone. I mean if Elena suffers in comparison its taken away just as fast or is not that bad. as you put "her birth father died" yeah but she didn't care too much as he was a jerk to her and tried to kill her friends so much. Bonnies birth mother was someone Bonnie actually really wanted to reach and have in her life, died so Elena could live. Aunt Jenna died and we found out within a year she found peace. Bonnies gran was harassed on the other side then erased from existence. Alaric died only to come back like season 5 so like 1 or 2 years later. Bonnie's dad died and again no mention of peace and erased. Hell when Jeremy died + damon died she had her emotions turned off or memory lost till they return. Bonnie never gets that quick out. It's the face while say Damon suffers and gets beat up or killed he returns straight into stefan or elena's arms he always has someone. Bonnie just gets alone and bad. She needs the good of the other characters to balance it like them.But that's just how I see it Things aren't necessarily that black and white. Something 'good' happening certainly doesn't suddenly erase the bad and with TVD's standards, any good is so far and few inbetween before the next drama filled plot comes down on them. Bonnie's character in general has suffered a lot, but as everyone has pointed out, it certainly isn't everyone having a field day while only Bonnie suffers by herself. Also think of Bonnie's character, think of events that have led to some of the bad. Bonnie's not some meek girl who gets pushed around. She's headstrong and also stubborn. It's always her choice to protect Elena, make sacrifices for her friends, place the responsibilities on herself as the witch with the powerful grimoire. Bonnie HIDES a lot of things from everyone. She makes it seem like a certain powerful spell is a piece of cake so as not to worry anyone. And when Elena or Stefan or Jeremy catches on, they always want her to stop, to find some other way but Bonnie herself pushes forward, sometimes behind their backs. People always like to claim how no one cares for Bonnie's wellbeing when Jeremy has done all this and more, he's always the one to bring up Bonnie, about her sacrifices, he's called out Elena, his own sister, in Bonnie's defense as well. Most of the time Bonnie keeps things secret, even from Jeremy. No one has any idea of how much spells takes out of Bonnie because she chooses not to let people know, to not let anyone worry, think something is wrong. Elena or anyone else can't be faulted for things Bonnie chooses to keep to herself. I also highly disagree with your last point of Damon suffering yet being able to run into either Stefan or Elena's arms, considering Stefan hasn't come to be on an affectionate level with Damon until the last couple eps of season five and even then not until Damon died and he felt what it was like to not have him around in season 6 recently. And Delena hasn't had any fluffy and happy moments with each other where the two are just themselves as a couple in a LONG while. It's never been that simple or easy for Damon's character. I know 'that's how you see it' and it's your opinion but if you wanted to talk more on this subject, it'd be great if a debate thread could be made. This is a quite a controversial topic as from the other posts made and I also wouldn't mind talking more on this subject without worrying about clogging up this particular thread lol. I second that! |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2014 13:00:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure what we'd call the debate if we make one...but anyone can start a thread for it in debates.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 14:14:18 GMT -5
This debate was made in continuation of the topic started in the 6x05 thread so that it doesn't become too offtopic and for those who'd like to continue can do so here. Do you feel some characters constantly suffer more than their fair share while others have it way too good? Here's the thread where you can share your thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind this is a debate thread so if you plan to post here others will also have the opportunity to respond/question your thoughts as well.
I'd also like to add that it'd be great if things could remain objective and no unnecessary bashing of a character or brushing off their suffering just because said character isn't much of a favorite. There are appropriate anti threads where that can be done freely and people who do like said characters won't have to worry about seeing hate they try to avoid.
This is just a way to keep things civil and tensions from running high in this thread.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2014 14:32:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the thread and the explanation of how we should conduct ourselves in it. Perfect! I have moved some of the prior posts from where they are now so we don't have to repeat ourselves.
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Post by missmystic on Dec 18, 2014 15:35:57 GMT -5
Chrizackathemole: My anger to it is more everything always happens to Bonnie. finds her mother - mother gets killed , becomes powerful witch - dies , become ancore so shes alive - always in pain. It's like the writers use her to have a character be hurt and it irritates me as i like bonnie lol I don't think any of us disagree with you that bad things happen to Bonnie. For me the debate is that I don't think she has more bad things happen to her than anyone else does. And I actually think she even has more going for than many other people. For example, you mentioned above that her mother died. But her mother didn't die, she became a vampire. She is still "living", she can see Bonnie whenever she wants to. In fact Bonnie is one of the only people with a living parent at the moment. There are only 3 mothers of our main characters still alive on this show: Caroline's mom, Matt's mom, and Bonnie's mom. Everyone else's mothers are dead. And Matt's mom might as well be, since she just left him. Bonnie is also one of the only characters who has always had the respect and admiration of everyone else. Everyone always trusts Bonnie, always believes in Bonnie, always cares about Bonnie. The only character who ever hated her was Damon, and even he cares about her now. Not even Elena has always had respect from everyone the way Bonnie does. Certainly not Caroline either, the whole first season most of them didn't even like her. Damon is ALWAYS sh*t on by everyone, especially his own brother. Jeremy and Matt have little to no respect from the vampires, and barely any from the humans either. I would say that Stefan maybe has had the most respect from other characters besides Bonnie, but unlike Bonnie his isn't deserved lol. Bonnie has also had plenty of victories. She usually beats her foes pretty soundly. Everyone loves her and always wants the best for her. She has Jeremy, she has so many friends, she has magic. She and Jeremy have had more happy time together as a couple than just about anyone else on this show in fact. And several of the bad things that happened to her have been because of her own decisions. She convinced her Grams to keep the spell going (the spell that killed her Grams) in order to save Stefan and Damon from the cave. She chose to believe Shane and helped kill 12 witches. She chose to bring Jeremy back to life and sacrifice herself. She chose not to tell anyone that she couldn't come back from the other side with them when it disappeared. As Anbu pointed out, on occasion she has played the martyr, but it's been her own decision to do so. No one WANTS her to sacrifice herself. In fact Elena and Jeremy have several times tried to move heaven and earth to keep her from harm. She is beloved by everyone. I mean Matt, now that's a sad character. He's constantly getting the sh*t end of the stick, in my opinion. He lost his first love to a vampire, then he lost his second love to a werewolf. His sister was murdered. He's constantly getting the crap kicked out of him. He's been killed several times. He has hardly any possessions in this world, but his truck has been destroyed twice (once when Rebekah ran them off the road, and then I think the one she bought him got blown up or something, right?) He's blamed for things (like Elena's death), and used as bargaining chips, and ransom. And all he has to protect himself is basically his honor and decency lol. He's not strong enough to fight, he has no magic, no money, no girl who loves him, practically no hope for a future (didn't he almost fail out of school?), no father, and might as well have no mother. His life is pretty crappy if you ask me. And I've already gone over everyone else's sad cases in my previous post, but like I said I still think Elena has suffered the most of anyone, personally. So yeah, that's my argument. I don't see Bonnie as the punching bag of this show at all, not even close. I think Matt, Jeremy, and Damon are the punching bags of the show. And Elena is the tragedy. That's my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 20:30:01 GMT -5
Chrizackathemole: My anger to it is more everything always happens to Bonnie. finds her mother - mother gets killed , becomes powerful witch - dies , become ancore so shes alive - always in pain. It's like the writers use her to have a character be hurt and it irritates me as i like bonnie lol I don't think any of us disagree with you that bad things happen to Bonnie. For me the debate is that I don't think she has more bad things happen to her than anyone else does. And I actually think she even has more going for than many other people. For example, you mentioned above that her mother died. But her mother didn't die, she became a vampire. She is still "living", she can see Bonnie whenever she wants to. In fact Bonnie is one of the only people with a living parent at the moment. There are only 3 mothers of our main characters still alive on this show: Caroline's mom, Matt's mom, and Bonnie's mom. Everyone else's mothers are dead. And Matt's mom might as well be, since she just left him. Bonnie is also one of the only characters who has always had the respect and admiration of everyone else. Everyone always trusts Bonnie, always believes in Bonnie, always cares about Bonnie. The only character who ever hated her was Damon, and even he cares about her now. Not even Elena has always had respect from everyone the way Bonnie does. Certainly not Caroline either, the whole first season most of them didn't even like her. Damon is ALWAYS sh*t on by everyone, especially his own brother. Jeremy and Matt have little to no respect from the vampires, and barely any from the humans either. I would say that Stefan maybe has had the most respect from other characters besides Bonnie, but unlike Bonnie his isn't deserved lol. Bonnie has also had plenty of victories. She usually beats her foes pretty soundly. Everyone loves her and always wants the best for her. She has Jeremy, she has so many friends, she has magic. She and Jeremy have had more happy time together as a couple than just about anyone else on this show in fact. And several of the bad things that happened to her have been because of her own decisions. She convinced her Grams to keep the spell going (the spell that killed her Grams) in order to save Stefan and Damon from the cave. She chose to believe Shane and helped kill 12 witches. She chose to bring Jeremy back to life and sacrifice herself. She chose not to tell anyone that she couldn't come back from the other side with them when it disappeared. As Anbu pointed out, on occasion she has played the martyr, but it's been her own decision to do so. No one WANTS her to sacrifice herself. In fact Elena and Jeremy have several times tried to move heaven and earth to keep her from harm. She is beloved by everyone. I mean Matt, now that's a sad character. He's constantly getting the sh*t end of the stick, in my opinion. He lost his first love to a vampire, then he lost his second love to a werewolf. His sister was murdered. He's constantly getting the crap kicked out of him. He's been killed several times. He has hardly any possessions in this world, but his truck has been destroyed twice (once when Rebekah ran them off the road, and then I think the one she bought him got blown up or something, right?) He's blamed for things (like Elena's death), and used as bargaining chips, and ransom. And all he has to protect himself is basically his honor and decency lol. He's not strong enough to fight, he has no magic, no money, no girl who loves him, practically no hope for a future (didn't he almost fail out of school?), no father, and might as well have no mother. His life is pretty crappy if you ask me. And I've already gone over everyone else's sad cases in my previous post, but like I said I still think Elena has suffered the most of anyone, personally. So yeah, that's my argument. I don't see Bonnie as the punching bag of this show at all, not even close. I think Matt, Jeremy, and Damon are the punching bags of the show. And Elena is the tragedy. That's my opinion. I've never thought of that perspective before. You're certainly right that Bonnie is loved and respected by everyone, her magic is usually the key to solving things and she's had many empowering moments where she's stood toe to toe with foes like Klaus, Katherine, Kol, and Kai. This would be a very different conversation if Bonnie hated Elena yet was forced by everyone to do spells but it's FAR from that. It's always her choice to protect Elena. Bonnie goes in knowing the danger but she does it anyways because above all she loves Elena like a sister. At the end of the day, Bonnie is regarded as the hero. I do agree with Matt having it a bit crappy. Aside from his family issues with his mother and then reliving the death of his sister twice. He's just a human amongst all this supernatural drama. He doesn't even want to be apart of this world but all his friends have now become supes so it can't be helped. Then there's Damon who's constantly the verbal punching bag of the show to the point it still feels like we're in season 1 sometimes. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2014 20:37:08 GMT -5
Yeah that's pretty much it. Bonnie is the hero(ine)...she saves the day. I don't know why some fans only see the negative things that happen to her and complain about them without seeing how much she is needed by the gang. She's a lot like Damon in that way. Those two have been the ones to save everyone else in this show. So her role is darn important. Look how long they had the anti-magic barrier up without Bonnie to help them figure out a way to take it down. They need her and they know it. So I can't look at Bonnie as some lost forgotten character that everything bad happens to, because she just isn't that to me. Whenever she's needed to be strong, she's been strong. She never complains or sits back and lets someone else do it. In her own way she just does what needs to be done, alone or with help if she can but she doesn't sit back and let bad things happen to her friends ever, not if she can prevent it. I sure hope that isn't about to change. I'm glad she sees Damon in a new light now because there has always been a disconnect between those two. Now she knows he's worth fighting for, too. I think back to when she lit him on fire and when she let Rebekah torture him and didn't try to save him. She's come a long way with that, too, and I have a feeling there's a reason for all of this, like Damon and Bonnie will need to be able to trust each other and work together in the near future to accomplish something big.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Dec 18, 2014 23:11:41 GMT -5
This debate thread started by AnbuPrincess with the following message:
This debate was made in continuation of the topic started in the 6x05 thread so that it doesn't become too offtopic and for those who'd like to continue can do so here. Do you feel some characters constantly suffer more than their fair share while others have it way too good? Here's the thread where you can share your thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind this is a debate thread so if you plan to post here others will also have the opportunity to respond/question your thoughts as well.
I'd also like to add that it'd be great if things could remain objective and no unnecessary bashing of a character or brushing off their suffering just because said character isn't much of a favorite. There are appropriate anti threads where that can be done freely and people who do like said characters won't have to worry about seeing hate they try to avoid.
This is just a way to keep things civil and tensions from running high in this thread.
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Chrizackathemole: My anger to it is more everything always happens to Bonnie. finds her mother - mother gets killed , becomes powerful witch - dies , become ancore so shes alive - always in pain. It's like the writers use her to have a character be hurt and it irritates me as i like bonnie lol I haven't got time at the moment, but I will be providing my contribution on why I believe that Bonnie is the character that gets the raw end of the deal, and I use that term instead of suffering the most, because everyone has suffered to a certain degree, but it is the Bonnie character that gets shafted without question and comes off the worst, so more on this from me later. Just a quick reminder why even the online TV mags say Bonnie is the most put-upon-character on the show. Here we have a situation, where Bonnie is alone, and the only person actually tryng to rally support to get her back is Damon, but even he is having a hard time trying to get the gang together to mount any kind of rescue for Bonnie, whatever problems they have takes priority. Bonnie is the person who everyone expects to put her life on hold even if her life is in crisis, to help them out, yet it takes Damon forcing their hand to get them on board. Elena is invisable to everyone but Kai, the minute they realise she is missing, everyone without question will drop whatever problems they have to go find her, while Bonnie waits alone in a 1994 AU, hoping for a miracle. Bonnie is the first on everyones list when they need help, but the last on everyones list when it comes to being helped. The majority of the people in this group have known Bonnie all their lives, and for Damon, Stefan and Aleric for as long as they have known the rest of the gang, yet even newbies who they have known only a very short length of time, have been given more priority then Bonnie. She is not even a priority on Jeremy's list, he prefers to sink into a bottle and sleep with random women, and knowing that his girl is still alone on the otherside waiting for someone to come get her, is he doing all he can to find an alternative ascendant so that she can return.....No! instead he is helping Matt get rid of Enzo. Jeremy knows that Bonnie is alive, and he knows that Damon's mission to get her back failed, and it doesn't matter what the circumstances under which they parted, at the end of the day, he is alive because of her, he died and she sacrificed her life to bring him back, he should be doing all in his power to find a way to bring her back. And because Aleric chose to listen to Joe rather then Damon about not killing Kai, it means now that Elena's gone missing, Damon is forced to take time out of finding a way to get Bonnie back, to now go look for Elena. At the moment as it stands, Bonnie isn't a priority on anyones list, she is alone, and that is what people are talking about. It is her standing within this group of friends. They all have someone within the group that will make them a priority, Bonnie has no one not even Jeremy. So when people state that Bonnie endures the most, this is what they mean. Someone needs to make her a priority and maybe Damon could be the one too change all that........... |
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