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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 11:45:05 GMT -5
Fair enough  I was not sure how it worked lol they are not very specific and I was not sure like if Elena saved anyone because she loved Damon then in her mind why would she still have saved them? to us and them we know but what's HER motivation to her. That kind of stuff is fun to me |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 1, 2015 12:01:34 GMT -5
Fair enough I was not sure how it worked lol they are not very specific and I was not sure like if Elena saved anyone because she loved Damon then in her mind why would she still have saved them? to us and them we know but what's HER motivation to her. That kind of stuff is fun to me I'm not sure if you are talking about 3x22 or what but just to add to that conversation on her 'motivation' for choosing Stefan when she was in love with Damon, we talked about that a lot back when it happened. I guess it's sort of left up to the viewer but for me I felt that she knew that if they lived (which was uncertain at the time) that Damon would never leave her but Stefan would and in a way she was still trying to hang on to them both and that was the only way she could think of doing it and not because she was 'in love' with Stefan anymore but she did love him and wanted him to be there with her. She also felt a great sense of obligation to him as we found out from her conversation with Matt. So despite being 'in love' with Damon, she chose Stefan for various reasons and she did it thinking only of the 'now' and not the future as she said, "All I can think about is right now." We saw that after Stelena split up, Stefan indeed planned to leave town and even did so, but got captured by Silas, so she would not have been wrong in that assumption that Stefan would not stay if she had chosen Damon.
A lot of my hunches along the way have been proven to be true, such as that she was in love with Damon in season 3, even though I guessed it happened a bit later than it did, putting it at 3x10 when it was actually at 3x01. Her choosing Stefan in 3x22 was completely wrong in my view and I nearly quit watching the show because everything we saw through season 3 said she loved Damon and I was right about that. That's why I can't understand how the Stelenas missed it. I guess because they didn't want to see it. The only way I could reconcile her choosing Stefan was the above, her desire to keep them both with her, her obligation and loyalty to Stefan for having helped her through a difficult time and her fear of loving Damon all played a factor in it but her tears at telling him goodbye or rather that she'd see him soon and her inabity to once again confirm that it was always going to be Stefan, belied her true feelings for Damon. The fact that she called Damon and didn't call Stefan at all and didn't know if she'd even get back to him in time to say a proper goodbye was also interesting. It was an impossible decision at a time that she really wasn't ready to make it so she chose the 'safe' choice. She wasn't ready yet to commit to a relationship with Damon and take that leap of faith.
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 12:21:45 GMT -5
Oh that time was more generic in general it might be as I'm a nerd but I always want to know what the alternate universe in her head is LOL they should do TVD comics set in the Elenaverse! then i'll get my answer.
But no i mean lets say she killed someone to save damon or saved someone because how her love for Damon changed her then in alternate timeline why would she have killed or saved? No specific episode and no Stefan just curious lol it bugs me not knowing
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 1, 2015 12:39:52 GMT -5
Oh that time was more generic in general it might be as I'm a nerd but I always want to know what the alternate universe in her head is LOL they should do TVD comics set in the Elenaverse! then i'll get my answer. But no i mean lets say she killed someone to save damon or saved someone because how her love for Damon changed her then in alternate timeline why would she have killed or saved? No specific episode and no Stefan just curious lol it bugs me not knowing Well would any of us be the same without the ones we love? Would we have the same motivations? Do the same things? I know I wouldn't. I'd probably be traveling the world living by the seat of my pants if it weren't for the people that I love which has forced me to curtail my wanderlust in favor of being responsible and available to them. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 12:46:58 GMT -5
Oh that time was more generic in general it might be as I'm a nerd but I always want to know what the alternate universe in her head is LOL they should do TVD comics set in the Elenaverse! then i'll get my answer. But no i mean lets say she killed someone to save damon or saved someone because how her love for Damon changed her then in alternate timeline why would she have killed or saved? No specific episode and no Stefan just curious lol it bugs me not knowing Well would any of us be the same without the ones we love? Would we have the same motivations? Do the same things? I know I wouldn't. I'd probably be traveling the world living by the seat of my pants if it weren't for the people that I love which has forced me to curtail my wanderlust in favor of being responsible and available to them. EXACTLY lol So i need to know what's different in her memories of what happened |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 1, 2015 12:51:37 GMT -5
Well would any of us be the same without the ones we love? Would we have the same motivations? Do the same things? I know I wouldn't. I'd probably be traveling the world living by the seat of my pants if it weren't for the people that I love which has forced me to curtail my wanderlust in favor of being responsible and available to them. EXACTLY lol So i need to know what's different in her memories of what happened Julie Plec explained that she fell in love with him all over again, last night when she was tweeting, if that's what you mean. The other thing is that compulsion isn't the be all end all to making someone forget. There are soul memories *I'll call them* that can't be erased and the person knows there is something they are missing. Jeremy talked about it regarding the death of Vicky. They didn't really play it well with Elena but in a way she did overcome her compulsion when she fell for Damon again even without those crucial memories. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 15:46:47 GMT -5
Yeah as Doppel mentioned they didn't really delve into all the little fine details when it came to losing her love for Damon and all their good moments.
When Elena turned into a vampire in season 4, she hated it and was miserable. Damon was the one that helped her come into her own as a vampire, taught her how to snatch, eat, erase vs the bunny diet and just have fun. So since those were her 'good' memories of Damon, shouldn't she have gone back to being miserable about her state of being a vampire? This is where they could have started planting the her wanting to be human storyline since they already knew at this point ND was leaving.
But yeah no domino effects on her character/personality from losing the positive effect that his love had on her person or anything. It was pretty much black and white. Your love for Damon has been compelled away, that's that.
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 17:37:20 GMT -5
True though wasn't part of her been miserable her been sired ..... something else she cant remember lol I feel Her love for Damon been 3 seasons then loosing that is half the show it should as you said have effect on personality as its a big driving point arguably. It'd be like Bruce Wayne forgetting his parents were shot in front him yet inexplicitly been batman still
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 17:44:34 GMT -5
True though wasn't part of her been miserable her been sired ..... something else she cant remember lol I feel Her love for Damon been 3 seasons then loosing that is half the show it should as you said have effect on personality as its a big driving point arguably. It'd be like Bruce Wayne forgetting his parents were shot in front him yet inexplicitly been batman still Well at the beginning of season 4 she didn't know she was 'sired' and the other characters didn't know that existed either and she was with Stefan those first few eps. Though she did have that problem with not being able to keep blood down (which I think was an indirect wording from Damon that caused that but I forget specifics).
And yeah it could have been interesting if the writers went somewhere with it but likely since they were aware that ND was going to leave, they didn't really bother going to deep with it.
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 17:50:43 GMT -5
True though wasn't part of her been miserable her been sired ..... something else she cant remember lol I feel Her love for Damon been 3 seasons then loosing that is half the show it should as you said have effect on personality as its a big driving point arguably. It'd be like Bruce Wayne forgetting his parents were shot in front him yet inexplicitly been batman still Well at the beginning of season 4 she didn't know she was 'sired' and the other characters didn't know that existed either She didn't know but was as a result of her love for damon ..... If she wasnt in love would she still have been sired in her head? DAMN IT! i'm thinking too hard about this lol |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 1, 2015 17:55:25 GMT -5
Well at the beginning of season 4 she didn't know she was 'sired' and the other characters didn't know that existed either She didn't know but was as a result of her love for damon ..... If she wasnt in love would she still have been sired in her head? DAMN IT! i'm thinking too hard about this lol No she would not have been sired if she wasn't in love with Damon as a human. That was explained like 10 different ways but some people chose to ignore it. Admittedly they even wrote it stupid because Damon and Stefan were told this point blank by the witch in NOLA yet they both struggled with whether or not Elena really loved Damon. Another fine example of crappy writing. If they were going to go there it shouldn't have been told to them directly like that from a non-biased source. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 18:02:55 GMT -5
Well at the beginning of season 4 she didn't know she was 'sired' and the other characters didn't know that existed either She didn't know but was as a result of her love for damon ..... If she wasnt in love would she still have been sired in her head? DAMN IT! i'm thinking too hard about this lol The concept in general I mean. Elena didn't know from the exact moment she turned, 'Hey I'm sired to Damon!'. She was still with Stefan those first few episodes up till when they broke up in 4x06. It was in 4x07 that Stefan and Caroline sat down and talked and then taking into account stuff with Tyler/Hybrids being sired to Klaus that's when they came to the conclusion that Elena was sired to Damon and that must be the reason why she suddenly dumped Stefan and was with Damon lol.
Eh nevermind I think I misunderstood what you meant. Oh well I guess it's still some info to keep in mind lol.
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 20:57:45 GMT -5
She didn't know but was as a result of her love for damon ..... If she wasnt in love would she still have been sired in her head? DAMN IT! i'm thinking too hard about this lol No she would not have been sired if she wasn't in love with Damon as a human. That was explained like 10 different ways but some people chose to ignore it. Thank you! Yeah I want to know what her head canon is now (lol i know that doest usally mean canon in a head but still) ------ and it's ok AnbuPrincess no one understands me! even 3 voices in my head are like "WTF do you mean!?" lol |
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 1, 2015 21:35:12 GMT -5
She didn't know but was as a result of her love for damon ..... If she wasnt in love would she still have been sired in her head? DAMN IT! i'm thinking too hard about this lol No she would not have been sired if she wasn't in love with Damon as a human. That was explained like 10 different ways but some people chose to ignore it. Admittedly they even wrote it stupid because Damon and Stefan were told this point blank by the witch in NOLA yet they both struggled with whether or not Elena really loved Damon. Another fine example of crappy writing. If they were going to go there it shouldn't have been told to them directly like that from a non-biased source. Yeah, that was totally obnoxious. Tyler explained it, the witch explained it, yet Stefan kept going with the "no she doesn't truly love him, it must be the sire bond" theory, which put doubt in Damon's head and he believed it too. I agree, why even put the other people in there saying she had to be in love in order to be sired, if they were just going to blow over it anyways. The same thing with the whole "doppelgängers are fated to be together" thing, which Markos later said he made the whole thing up and was just getting into their heads to bring them together to break the traveler curse. Yet what happened? They still brought up that they were fated to be together! |
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Post by chrizakathemole on May 1, 2015 21:38:38 GMT -5
To be fair on Tyler he didn't say love. Tyler said grateful like he was grateful to Klaus as he no longer had to turn. So she could have been grateful she was alive or grateful she was a vampire or anything .... However it was the love yes i 100% say it was love but tyler was not saying love (sorry Tyaus shippers lol)
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I was not sure how it worked lol they are not very specific and I was not sure like if Elena saved anyone because she loved Damon then in her mind why would she still have saved them? to us and them we know but what's HER motivation to her.
