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Post by beangelic1000 on Apr 20, 2013 15:23:59 GMT -5
DE all started with moments. Friendship. Stares. ETC Steroline is starting the same way and I love it! Season 3 Damon was Elena's friend helping her through the Stefan stuff. Season four Caroline is Stefan's friend helping him through the Elena stuff. I've shipped Stefan and Caroline since season 1. I'm so happy I am seeing this turn towards them. I don't know since Caroline has been shipped as being the new Lexi and that what she will have with Stefan is a friendship of the kind he shared with Lexi. I think the door is now open for the Stefan charector to interact with other females that will appear on the show, unfortuately he isn't as good in the romance department as Damon who is a natural. I thought he was stilted in his relationship with Elena and he just looked awkward with Rebekah.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:24:40 GMT -5
Yeah and as a DE I think her choosing Stefan was a cop out on her part and when she asked Damon if he wanted her to go back to being that scared little girl who was too afraid to go for what she wanted, THAT was the truth about what happened, but see, that's all a matter of opinion. On the sire bond, nobody made that happen. It just did. Both Damon and Elena are victims of it and not responsible for it happening to them. I hate it as much as you do and want it GONE forever! I cant agree with Elena choosing Stefan as a cop out. She thought they were dying and she choose to go back to stefan and they werent even together. It reminded me when Jacob Begged Bella not to go after Edwin and she just couldnt even though he had hurt her by leaving her she still choose him. And even when she was dying in the beginning of season 4 she told stefan he was the best choice she made. Why say that if you scared of choosing. As far as her being scared I agree she was scared to act on whatever feelings she had/has for Damon and now that the sirebond went and came it pushed her to step over that boundary and maybe she will continue to explore it when the sirebond is gone for good and i wont be able to blame her if she tries. I just cant agree with Stefan being a cop out.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 15:27:25 GMT -5
I wasn't saying it wasn't your opinion, just clarifying that it was my opinion that she was too afraid to go for a relationship with Damon at the end of season 3. Basically I wasn't implying anything toward you or what you said with that. Yes, you are right that Stefan would be considered a victim of the sire bond as well. There are no winners in that one and I sure hope it's gone at the end of the season for everyone's sake as I think it's universally hated.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:28:47 GMT -5
Maybe this season she hasn't been torn because she has not been allowed to be BUT the fact that she had to make a choice last season showed there was a triangle and as an SE fan I am sorta tired of it. She explored and explored her feelings and her feelings have been tested and questionsed for 3 season she even kissed Damon and she still chose Stefan tbh I am just as frustrated with the sirebond, but for opposite reasons. lol Nope not buying that. Not that you are selling it but the show is for sure. Being torn over feelings is not a triangle. It's not fair that she has had her time with Stefan. To do the relationship stuff we all know Damon and Elena have not been able to do. They are not on equal grounds yet for this to be a full triangle. When it gets there I'll let you know. HAHA (smug) I know. =) wink wink.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:31:24 GMT -5
Maybe this season she hasn't been torn because she has not been allowed to be BUT the fact that she had to make a choice last season showed there was a triangle and as an SE fan I am sorta tired of it. She explored and explored her feelings and her feelings have been tested and questionsed for 3 season she even kissed Damon and she still chose Stefan tbh I am just as frustrated with the sirebond, but for opposite reasons. lol Nope not buying that. Not that you are selling it but the show is for sure. Being torn over feelings is not a triangle. It's not fair that she has had her time with Stefan. To do the relationship stuff we all know Damon and Elena have not been able to do. They are not on equal grounds yet for this to be a full triangle. When it gets there I'll let you know. HAHA (smug) I know. =) wink wink. Did they ever full on explore the triangle in the books? I never read them im curious to know how they went about it
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:31:31 GMT -5
DE all started with moments. Friendship. Stares. ETC Steroline is starting the same way and I love it! Season 3 Damon was Elena's friend helping her through the Stefan stuff. Season four Caroline is Stefan's friend helping him through the Elena stuff. I've shipped Stefan and Caroline since season 1. I'm so happy I am seeing this turn towards them. I don't know since Caroline has been shipped as being the new Lexi and that what she will have with Stefan is a friendship of the kind he shared with Lexi. I think the door is now open for the Stefan charector to interact with other females that will appear on the show, unfortuately he isn't as good in the romance department as Damon who is a natural. I thought he was stilted in his relationship with Elena and he just looked awkward with Rebekah. I guarantee they will go Steroline. I just know they will. They made Elena have sex with Damon which just means Elena has no right at all to be mad at Caroline or Stefan if they hook up. They had Elena try and kill Caroline & hurt Caroline's mom. At this point Stefan is ALL FREE GAME for Caroline. Klaus is leaving and Tyler is gone. Who knows if he will come back. It's a open road for these two. AND the friendship building. The dances. The moments they have been having all mean something! Plus many people are now demanding it. JP said she was down for it but wasn't sure yet they would go that route but she said she was very interested!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 15:31:46 GMT -5
Yeah and as a DE I think her choosing Stefan was a cop out on her part and when she asked Damon if he wanted her to go back to being that scared little girl who was too afraid to go for what she wanted, THAT was the truth about what happened, but see, that's all a matter of opinion. On the sire bond, nobody made that happen. It just did. Both Damon and Elena are victims of it and not responsible for it happening to them. I hate it as much as you do and want it GONE forever! I cant agree with Elena choosing Stefan as a cop out. She thought they were dying and she choose to go back to stefan and they werent even together. It reminded me when Jacob Begged Bella not to go after Edwin and she just couldnt even though he had hurt her by leaving her she still choose him. And even when she was dying in the beginning of season 4 she told stefan he was the best choice she made. Why say that if you scared of choosing. As far as her being scared I agree she was scared to act on whatever feelings she had/has for Damon and now that the sirebond went and came it pushed her to step over that boundary and maybe she will continue to explore it when the sirebond is gone for good and i wont be able to blame her if she tries. I just cant agree with Stefan being a cop out. That's OK, you don't have to agree and I wouldn't expect you to. As a DE it is the only thing that makes sense to me after that season so I choose to believe that explanation. She was not yet ready (was afraid) to get with Damon and now she has said as much when her feelings were off and she wasn't pissed off at anyone so she wasn't to try to be mean. To me that was significant.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:32:51 GMT -5
Nope not buying that. Not that you are selling it but the show is for sure. Being torn over feelings is not a triangle. It's not fair that she has had her time with Stefan. To do the relationship stuff we all know Damon and Elena have not been able to do. They are not on equal grounds yet for this to be a full triangle. When it gets there I'll let you know. HAHA (smug) I know. =) wink wink. Did they ever full on explore the triangle in the books? I never read them im curious to know how they went about it GIRL I have no idea. The minute they fired L.J was the minute I lost interest in those damn books.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:34:13 GMT -5
I cant agree with Elena choosing Stefan as a cop out. She thought they were dying and she choose to go back to stefan and they werent even together. It reminded me when Jacob Begged Bella not to go after Edwin and she just couldnt even though he had hurt her by leaving her she still choose him. And even when she was dying in the beginning of season 4 she told stefan he was the best choice she made. Why say that if you scared of choosing. As far as her being scared I agree she was scared to act on whatever feelings she had/has for Damon and now that the sirebond went and came it pushed her to step over that boundary and maybe she will continue to explore it when the sirebond is gone for good and i wont be able to blame her if she tries. I just cant agree with Stefan being a cop out. That's OK, you don't have to agree and I wouldn't expect you to. As a DE it is the only thing that makes sense to me after that season so I choose to believe that explanation. She was not yet ready (was afraid) to get with Damon and now she has said as much when her feelings were off and she wasn't pissed off at anyone so she wasn't to try to be mean. To me that was significant. if its like that would you also take into consideration what she told stefan that same episode/? How shes turned it all off including her feelings for him? She didnt say that in a moment of anger either it was mere conversation. What is your take on that?
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:35:04 GMT -5
Did they ever full on explore the triangle in the books? I never read them im curious to know how they went about it GIRL I have no idea. The minute they fired L.J was the minute I lost interest in those damn books. so while LJ was around did she explore full on DE or was she leading for it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 15:36:04 GMT -5
I guess in my opinion the show does not have to show 2 relationships in order for it to be a triangle. Espcially given the unique circumstance of the show --- with them being brothers. I only read 3 of the books. Did the books ever have DE as a relationship?
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:39:53 GMT -5
That's OK, you don't have to agree and I wouldn't expect you to. As a DE it is the only thing that makes sense to me after that season so I choose to believe that explanation. She was not yet ready (was afraid) to get with Damon and now she has said as much when her feelings were off and she wasn't pissed off at anyone so she wasn't to try to be mean. To me that was significant. if its like that would you also take into consideration what she told stefan that same episode/? How shes turned it all off including her feelings for him? She didnt say that in a moment of anger either it was mere conversation. What is your take on that? Feelings don't even have to be about love. It could be about her caring about the guy and or even just liking him or respecting him. Why does that translate to her love? She doesn't like anyone anymore. All of her feelings are over. Before she lost her humanity her feelings were she wasn't in love with Stefan but that she still loved Stefan. I know many of us take that scene differently so lets say that this will all be a matter of opinion and not even worth discussing. LOL (avoiding debate) But honestly how you view the SB and that compel scene is how you are going to view the whole "Elena telling Stefan her feelings for him were gone". It's all going to be a matter of how you view the SB is it real or is it affecting her feelings is it not? Can the compulsion Bekah did to her work? Did it not work? Was she telling the truth or was the SB still present. Does the SB affect her feelings for Stefan? Or does it affect her feelings for Damon. It's all going to play on how you view that. For me the SB doesn't affect feelings and under compulsion she told the truth to Bekah so with a no humanity Elena stating that she has no feelings for Stefan means she doesn't even just love (not in love) the guy anymore. She feels absolutely nothing for him. She doesn't care nor respect or even like him. The same as Damon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 15:39:57 GMT -5
I guess I was late on that question. haha
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 20, 2013 15:41:56 GMT -5
She does love Stefan, but like she told them all in 4x10, she is not IN LOVE with Stefan anymore. That's the difference now. But yeah like Swewet sid, we've debated this SB and what it affects to death but the show told us specifically it does NOT affect feelings, just actions only. Whether that holds true in the end who knows with this show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 15:43:17 GMT -5
I guess I appreciate the greys of a show and not just the black and white. I do not want to cling to black and white that is. I want to lokk at the grey and see things that aren;t so transparent- I want to see and understand the facets of the writing that are meant to be decoded. Not just JP said this so it is thiis-The characters said this so this is all I can believe.
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