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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:43:23 GMT -5
I guess in my opinion the show does not have to show 2 relationships in order for it to be a triangle. Espcially given the unique circumstance of the show --- with them being brothers. I only read 3 of the books. Did the books ever have DE as a relationship? The books were going that way. Shadow Souls was heading in that direction when it ended. For me a girl who loves Triangle shows this show falls SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO short of being a triangle show. The lack of a triangle is what is killing me. If all was fair in Love I would be annoyed like you all but not all is fair. This is a weak attempt at a triangle in my opinion. Felicity! That was a triangle. Veronica Mars, that was a triangle. Hart of Dixie not a triangle yet. She hasn't even dated George yet. 90210 Brenda Dylan and Kelly triangle. Grey's Anatomy Meredith, Derek and forgot his wife's name..triangle. OTH triangle. Dawson's creek Triangle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 15:45:54 GMT -5
She does love Stefan, but like she told them all in 4x10, she is not IN LOVE with Stefan anymore. That's the difference now. Then--- I think you mean then
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:45:57 GMT -5
I guess I appreciate the greys of a show and not just the black and white. We all do. Greys are opinions. We all love our own opinions don't we. I know I sure do, especially when i think they are right.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Apr 20, 2013 15:48:18 GMT -5
Yeah and as a DE I think her choosing Stefan was a cop out on her part and when she asked Damon if he wanted her to go back to being that scared little girl who was too afraid to go for what she wanted, THAT was the truth about what happened, but see, that's all a matter of opinion. On the sire bond, nobody made that happen. It just did. Both Damon and Elena are victims of it and not responsible for it happening to them. I hate it as much as you do and want it GONE forever! I cant agree with Elena choosing Stefan as a cop out. She thought they were dying and she choose to go back to stefan and they werent even together. It reminded me when Jacob Begged Bella not to go after Edwin and she just couldnt even though he had hurt her by leaving her she still choose him. And even when she was dying in the beginning of season 4 she told stefan he was the best choice she made. Why say that if you scared of choosing. As far as her being scared I agree she was scared to act on whatever feelings she had/has for Damon and now that the sirebond went and came it pushed her to step over that boundary and maybe she will continue to explore it when the sirebond is gone for good and i wont be able to blame her if she tries. I just cant agree with Stefan being a cop out. In a kind of way it was if I was Stefan I would not have been happy with the only reason he was chosen was because of his coming into her life at a time she needed someone after the death of her parents that for her he represented a safe harbour, that is not a good foundation for a relationship. The underlying factor why Elena didn't chose Damon was the fact that chosing him would have met with the greatest disapproval from family and friends, therefore, Stefan was the safest option. Elena allowed fear and her head to rule and not her heart.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:49:13 GMT -5
I guess in my opinion the show does not have to show 2 relationships in order for it to be a triangle. Espcially given the unique circumstance of the show --- with them being brothers. I only read 3 of the books. Did the books ever have DE as a relationship? The books were going that way. Shadow Souls was heading in that direction when it ended. For me a girl who loves Triangle shows this show falls SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO short of being a triangle show. The lack of a triangle is what is killing me. If all was fair in Love I would be annoyed like you all but not all is fair. This is a weak attempt at a triangle in my opinion. Felicity! That was a triangle. Veronica Mars, that was a triangle. Hart of Dixie not a triangle yet. She hasn't even dated George yet. 90210 Brenda Dylan and Kelly triangle. Grey's Anatomy Meredith, Derek and forgot his wife's name..triangle. OTH triangle. Dawson's creek Triangle. urgh OTH i still get pissed when i see Brucas Videos like they BELONGED TOGETHER LOL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 15:52:30 GMT -5
I guess I appreciate the greys of a show and not just the black and white. We all do. Greys are opinions. We all love our own opinions don't we. I know I sure do, especially when i think they are right. No not all grey is opinion. They can be subtle implications. But yes many greys are opinions
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:53:16 GMT -5
I cant agree with Elena choosing Stefan as a cop out. She thought they were dying and she choose to go back to stefan and they werent even together. It reminded me when Jacob Begged Bella not to go after Edwin and she just couldnt even though he had hurt her by leaving her she still choose him. And even when she was dying in the beginning of season 4 she told stefan he was the best choice she made. Why say that if you scared of choosing. As far as her being scared I agree she was scared to act on whatever feelings she had/has for Damon and now that the sirebond went and came it pushed her to step over that boundary and maybe she will continue to explore it when the sirebond is gone for good and i wont be able to blame her if she tries. I just cant agree with Stefan being a cop out. In a kind of way it was if I was Stefan I would not have been happy with the only reason he was chosen was because of his coming into her life at a time she needed someone after the death of her parents that for her he represented a safe harbour, that is not a good foundation for a relationship. The underlying factor why Elena didn't chose Damon was the fact that chosing him would have met with the greatest disapproval from family and friends, therefore, Stefan was the safest option. Elena allowed fear and her head to rule and not her heart. But that wasnt the only reason. She was lost when her parents died. She was sitting in a cemetary writing in her journal all the time. Stefan came in a time in her life and made her find her way back and grateful to be alive. I think thats a pretty great foundation. Elena didnt choose Damon because her words not mine " no matter what I feel for you, I never unfell for him" She admitted she had feelings for Damon but for her it wasnt enough to let go of Stefan at the time. Thats why now that she has passed that boundary that she has scared to pass, I can see why she would continue to try with Damon once the sirebond is over. She owes herself that and owes him that i guess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 15:53:50 GMT -5
I cant agree with Elena choosing Stefan as a cop out. She thought they were dying and she choose to go back to stefan and they werent even together. It reminded me when Jacob Begged Bella not to go after Edwin and she just couldnt even though he had hurt her by leaving her she still choose him. And even when she was dying in the beginning of season 4 she told stefan he was the best choice she made. Why say that if you scared of choosing. As far as her being scared I agree she was scared to act on whatever feelings she had/has for Damon and now that the sirebond went and came it pushed her to step over that boundary and maybe she will continue to explore it when the sirebond is gone for good and i wont be able to blame her if she tries. I just cant agree with Stefan being a cop out. In a kind of way it was if I was Stefan I would not have been happy with the only reason he was chosen was because of his coming into her life at a time she needed someone after the death of her parents that for her he represented a safe harbour, that is not a good foundation for a relationship. The underlying factor why Elena didn't chose Damon was the fact that chosing him would have met with the greatest disapproval from family and friends, therefore, Stefan was the safest option. Elena allowed fear and her head to rule and not her heart. wouldn't Matt have been the safeest option?
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:55:20 GMT -5
The books were going that way. Shadow Souls was heading in that direction when it ended. For me a girl who loves Triangle shows this show falls SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO short of being a triangle show. The lack of a triangle is what is killing me. If all was fair in Love I would be annoyed like you all but not all is fair. This is a weak attempt at a triangle in my opinion. Felicity! That was a triangle. Veronica Mars, that was a triangle. Hart of Dixie not a triangle yet. She hasn't even dated George yet. 90210 Brenda Dylan and Kelly triangle. Grey's Anatomy Meredith, Derek and forgot his wife's name..triangle. OTH triangle. Dawson's creek Triangle. urgh OTH i still get pissed when i see Brucas Videos like they BELONGED TOGETHER LOL Oh girl you and I have nothing in common. DIE HARD BRUCAS TIL I DIE!
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:57:04 GMT -5
We all do. Greys are opinions. We all love our own opinions don't we. I know I sure do, especially when i think they are right. No not all grey is opinion. They can be subtle implications. But yes many greys are opinions Yeah but most implications can be deciphered differently. Not everyone will buy an implication as a implication. There are facts and then there are opinions. Unless JP says hey that was a subtle implication that ABC will happen and it did then really we are ALL going to speculate about what that implication was and meant.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Apr 20, 2013 15:57:47 GMT -5
I don't know since Caroline has been shipped as being the new Lexi and that what she will have with Stefan is a friendship of the kind he shared with Lexi. I think the door is now open for the Stefan charector to interact with other females that will appear on the show, unfortuately he isn't as good in the romance department as Damon who is a natural. I thought he was stilted in his relationship with Elena and he just looked awkward with Rebekah. I guarantee they will go Steroline. I just know they will. They made Elena have sex with Damon which just means Elena has no right at all to be mad at Caroline or Stefan if they hook up. They had Elena try and kill Caroline & hurt Caroline's mom. At this point Stefan is ALL FREE GAME for Caroline. Klaus is leaving and Tyler is gone. Who knows if he will come back. It's a open road for these two. AND the friendship building. The dances. The moments they have been having all mean something! Plus many people are now demanding it. JP said she was down for it but wasn't sure yet they would go that route but she said she was very interested! I would be a little concerned with the way Caroline fans are so eager to ship her with just anyone, first it was Matt then Taylor, then we had them becoming fanatical in polls just last week trying to get Karoline to happen and now Stefan. Damon and Elena's chemistry happened naturally it was not forced and somehow I feel with the exception of Matt and Taylor these last two feel forced. For me if I was going to root for someone to have a relationship and be happy it would be Bonnie since Jeremy is gone she needs someone more then Caroline in this instance.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 15:58:04 GMT -5
urgh OTH i still get pissed when i see Brucas Videos like they BELONGED TOGETHER LOL Oh girl you and I have nothing in common. DIE HARD BRUCAS TIL I DIE! NO NO NO I WAS A DIE HARD BRUCAS TOOO THATS WHY IM SAYING EVERYTIME I SAW THEIR VIDEOS I WOULD GET MAD BECAUSE I LOVED THEM TOGETHER AND I WISH IT WOULDVE BEEN THEM!
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 15:59:13 GMT -5
Guys I think she copped out.... No surprise. I'm a DE. You guys don;t think so because you are a SE. I'm realizing that no matter what is on our screen we will ALL interrupt it differently. We have hashed this one in the DE thread for almost a year now. There is no changing our minds. LOL
I'm just finding that we will ALWAYS see things differently when it comes to SE vs DE.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 20, 2013 16:00:43 GMT -5
Oh girl you and I have nothing in common. DIE HARD BRUCAS TIL I DIE! NO NO NO I WAS A DIE HARD BRUCAS TOOO THATS WHY IM SAYING EVERYTIME I SAW THEIR VIDEOS I WOULD GET MAD BECAUSE I LOVED THEM TOGETHER AND I WISH IT WOULDVE BEEN THEM! OHHHHHHHHH! lol We have something in common.... FALLS DOWN FROM SHOCK ******** ok back up. lol
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Post by Ruby2579 on Apr 20, 2013 16:02:14 GMT -5
Guys I think she copped out.... No surprise. I'm a DE. You guys don;t think so because you are a SE. I'm realizing that no matter what is on our screen we will ALL interrupt it differently. We have hashed this one in the DE thread for almost a year now. There is no changing our minds. LOL I'm just finding that we will ALWAYS see things differently when it comes to SE vs DE. BUT SEE thats the thing I dont like to be viewed as only SE im TVD fan first and trying to see everything all together not just from a SE perspective. the fact she backs up her choice in the following episode doesnt take on as coping out. Her becoming a vampire just made it harder to put aside her feelings for Damon so she was eventually going to have to choose all over again.
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