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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 13, 2012 18:03:21 GMT -5
Because Stefan is so clean he squeaks, of course. No he sparkles.... Damn it I made a Twilight joke and I love Edward!  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 13, 2012 18:07:56 GMT -5
Because Stefan is so clean he squeaks, of course. No he sparkles.... Damn it I made a Twilight joke and I love Edward! Welcome to the dark side.  |
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Post by Slash on Jan 13, 2012 18:35:06 GMT -5
You already know that's EXACTLY what they will do. How I wish the CW Board was still open just to see what some of the others would say or if this question was posed there. Damon had good intentions and was grilled for his decision. Stefan...his intentions were to get Klaus to break but I just want to see if some people would backtrack on Damon's actions. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 13, 2012 18:43:57 GMT -5
You already know that's EXACTLY what they will do. How I wish the CW Board was still open just to see what some of the others would say or if this question was posed there. Damon had good intentions and was grilled for his decision. Stefan...his intentions were to get Klaus to break but I just want to see if some people would backtrack on Damon's actions. Pfffttt! No! They'd find excuses. They always do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 10:14:13 GMT -5
I know that some SE fans can be hard on Elena and they don't filter their feelings, but I honestly do not think any of them actually hate her. They don't, I don't, want to see a part of my ship hurt the other part. It is more like feeling for both sides and when one does something that will hurt the other it is sad and for some fans frustrating. PLUS tbh I understand Stefan's actions more then I understand Elena's. Stefan is not dead and he is not a ghost and he shows signs of caring. So, when SE fans see that and Elena seemingly does not see that and make choices and actions that shows that she is not seeing Stefan is in there. That is disappointing and unbelievable. The car scene being the exception, for me. I understand Elena completely there. I understand why she could have seen past why Stefan did what he did, that he never had intentions of turning her and did not want to hurt her because that was awful and hurtful. I understand her being hurt/sad/upset/angry. I did not like that Stefan did that to Elena, but unlike when Damon did it, Stefan did not actually intend on her turning her and he did not do it for purely selfish reason " I can't lose you" (I think that is what Damon said).
I wish Elena could see that Stefan must know that she kissed Damon. I think that is pretty apparent PLUS she has to know that he can know feel about what he witnessed while being compelled. All of that is playing into his actions and his feelings now. I think SE fans just want her to step out of Elena world and step into Stefan's because if it was switched he would. He would feel for her side of this story and not just be looking at it from his POV. I mean he is doing that now and you can tell. I love Elena and I am not by any means an Elena hater, but with the triangle there is going to be things Elena does that SE fans won't agree with. It is a prt of having the triangle. I imagine at some point DE fans will understand that.
I hope you get the gist of what I am trying to say, as I have said, I am not the best writer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 11:32:10 GMT -5
How I wish the CW Board was still open just to see what some of the others would say or if this question was posed there. Damon had good intentions and was grilled for his decision. Stefan...his intentions were to get Klaus to break but I just want to see if some people would backtrack on Damon's actions. Pfffttt! No! They'd find excuses. They always do. What situation are you talking about? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 11:45:41 GMT -5
Can I just say that I find it hypocritical that it is okay to make excuses for all Elena's actions and when people do it for Stefan or stand up for Bonnie it so different. Should we call Elena Saint Elena? because people make many excuses for her actions ALL THE TIME! Just saying. I do not see the difference.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 14, 2012 12:38:54 GMT -5
Pfffttt! No! They'd find excuses. They always do. What situation are you talking about? I could name any number of situations, but how about Andie and Stefan killing her. All I saw was excuses from Stelena fans as to why he did that and never once anyone cared that she was still dead. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 14, 2012 12:40:38 GMT -5
Can I just say that I find it hypocritical that it is okay to make excuses for all Elena's actions and when people do it for Stefan or stand up for Bonnie it so different. Should we call Elena Saint Elena? because people make many excuses for her actions ALL THE TIME! Just saying. I do not see the difference. This here I totally agree with, except I'm not one to make excuses for Elena and I have had my issues with her in the past so I can't say that she's perfectly perfect in my mind. Right now I'm not even all that happy with her because once again she wants to run away from the fact that she kissed Damon and not deal with it and that bothers me, but that's Elena all over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 12:45:46 GMT -5
What situation are you talking about? I could name any number of situations, but how about Andie and Stefan killing her. All I saw was excuses from Stelena fans as to why he did that and never once anyone cared that she was still dead. I did not and did not see many make excuses I just didn't care that she died. I mean Damon liked her and all, but he was abusing her. I mean who even knows what her true feelings were about Damon and the situation she was in because Damon was compelling her and feeding on her. Yes, Stefan killed her and it was wrong, but what Damon was doing was only slightly better, even if he cared about her. You can call the an excuse all you want, but to me it is just the truth. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 14, 2012 12:48:39 GMT -5
I did not like that Stefan did that to Elena, but unlike when Damon did it, Stefan did not actually intend on her turning her and he did not do it for purely selfish reason " I can't lose you" (I think that is what Damon said). Hey Teppy! I quoted the part that I just wanted to tell I disagree with you on. Well the whole thing but I know it's your opinion and I know that many SE's are taking Stefan's side in this whole thing and I have just come to accept over the last week except for the car thingy! Which you took Elena's and I'm happy about. And I'm not so sure Stefan would have stopped and even if he was gonna that is still inexcusable to do that to her. But the blood feeding part... You said Damon did it to be purely selfish. This I agree wholeheartedly about but what i don't agree with you on is saying Stefan's wasn't because it was so selfish on his part! He even said all he has left is revenge on Klaus. This was for HIS revenge! No one else wants him to be doing this. He selfishly kidnapped Elena, drove her to that bridge and fed her his blood in an attempt to get Klaus to back down for HIM. Damon said to leave Elena out of it! So it wasn't for Damon and it sure in the hell wasn't for Elena. Even if Klaus is killed do you think Elena will be ok with what he did to her to get that done? NOPE! he wanted those Hybrids out of town and he did this to Elena over the HYBRIDS! People are forgetting that his actions have a chain reaction. Klaus didn't have Tyler bite Caroline because he wanted to prove something to Tyler. he did it because of Stefan. To send a message! He even said it! So, so far he has almost hurt Jer, ran over Alaric, killed Forwood and had Caroline bit. Yes Forwood was already sinking but now it's done after he bit her and I think it's unfair because Tyler has no control and Stefan stealing those coffins makes Tyler Klaus's bitch when it comes to hurting his friends! Even the girl he loves! These are things done by Klaus but a direct reaction to Stefan stealing those coffins. I don't think it's worth it. Care suffered and in next weeks episode Tyler is getting tortured by her dad when he had no choice! i feel bad for Tyler. He is involved where he should have never been. I can look at Stefan's actions and say wow he is sooooo wrong and I'm so angry at him but I see redemption. I think if Stefan earns it back he should be forgiven otherwise for everything Damon has done I'd be a hypocrite. We can love our male roles and support them but we can also look at their actions and admit they are horrible... Killing Andie was HORRIBLE and that was swept under the rug with excuses. No one flat out said, wow Stefan that was dumb and you didn't have to do that! I did that when Damon killed Jer. I think that is what is bothering me. Is that Stefan is getting excused and everyone else gets condemned!   |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 14, 2012 12:59:43 GMT -5
I could name any number of situations, but how about Andie and Stefan killing her. All I saw was excuses from Stelena fans as to why he did that and never once anyone cared that she was still dead. I did not and did not see many make excuses I just didn't care that she died. I mean Damon liked her and all, but he was abusing her. I mean who even knows what her true feelings were about Damon and the situation she was in because Damon was compelling her and feeding on her. Yes, Stefan killed her and it was wrong, but what Damon was doing was only slightly better, even if he cared about her. You can call the an excuse all you want, but to me it is just the truth. He killed her and he made her suffer at the end knowing she was going to die and for no other reason than to get his jollies by killing her because her death didn't do a thing to further Stefan/Klaus' agenda. You can say Damon didn't treat her well, but who was the one who cared when she was dead? I see you admitted it was wrong. I think you're the first SE I've seen say that, but still there were 'buts' at the end of it. So...I made my point. SE fans are able to excuse anything and everything he does with excuses like this. Take Damon out of the equation and what do you have? Stefan killing her and how can that really be excused if you want to stick with the 'Stefan is this great guy' thing some of you have going on? At least Damon fans are realistic. We know Damon can be bad. We know he can do things that aren't the best and that he is capable of that. I don't like that Stefan's fans seem to keep thinking he's perfect when he isn't. Just admit the guy is no better than Damon, please. Right now he's off the rails in a big way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 13:05:05 GMT -5
I did not like that Stefan did that to Elena, but unlike when Damon did it, Stefan did not actually intend on her turning her and he did not do it for purely selfish reason " I can't lose you" (I think that is what Damon said). Hey Teppy! I quoted the part that I just wanted to tell I disagree with you on. Well the whole thing but I know it's your opinion and I know that many SE's are taking Stefan's side in this whole thing and I have just come to accept over the last week except for the car thingy! Which you took Elena's and I'm happy about. And I'm not so sure Stefan would have stopped and even if he was gonna that is still inexcusable to do that to her. But the blood feeding part... You said Damon did it to be purely selfish. This I agree wholeheartedly about but what i don't agree with you on is saying Stefan's wasn't because it was so selfish on his part! He even said all he has left is revenge on Klaus. This was for HIS revenge! No one else wants him to be doing this. He selfishly kidnapped Elena, drove her to that bridge and fed her his blood in an attempt to get Klaus to back down for HIM. Damon said to leave Elena out of it! So it wasn't for Damon and it sure in the hell wasn't for Elena. Even if Klaus is killed do you think Elena will be ok with what he did to her to get that done? NOPE! he wanted those Hybrids out of town and he did this to Elena over the HYBRIDS! People are forgetting that his actions have a chain reaction. Klaus didn't have Tyler bite Caroline because he wanted to prove something to Tyler. he did it because of Stefan. To send a message! He even said it! So, so far he has almost hurt Jer, ran over Alaric, killed Forwood and had Caroline bit. Yes Forwood was already sinking but now it's done after he bit her and I think it's unfair because Tyler has no control and Stefan stealing those coffins makes Tyler Klaus's bitch when it comes to hurting his friends! Even the girl he loves! These are things done by Klaus but a direct reaction to Stefan stealing those coffins. I don't think it's worth it. Care suffered and in next weeks episode Tyler is getting tortured by her dad when he had no choice! i feel bad for Tyler. He is involved where he should have never been. I can look at Stefan's actions and say wow he is sooooo wrong and I'm so angry at him but I see redemption. I think if Stefan earns it back he should be forgiven otherwise for everything Damon has done I'd be a hypocrite. We can love our male roles and support them but we can also look at their actions and admit they are horrible... Killing Andie was HORRIBLE and that was swept under the rug with excuses. No one flat out said, wow Stefan that was dumb and you didn't have to do that! I did that when Damon killed Jer. I think that is what is bothering me. Is that Stefan is getting excused and everyone else gets condemned! I see your points actually on pretty much everything you stated, I don't completely agree with them completely, but I very much see what you are saying. I think that it comes down to just different view points. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 13:10:38 GMT -5
I did not and did not see many make excuses I just didn't care that she died. I mean Damon liked her and all, but he was abusing her. I mean who even knows what her true feelings were about Damon and the situation she was in because Damon was compelling her and feeding on her. Yes, Stefan killed her and it was wrong, but what Damon was doing was only slightly better, even if he cared about her. You can call the an excuse all you want, but to me it is just the truth. Wow, way to deflect the issue onto someone else. He killed her and he made her suffer at the end knowing she was going to die and for no other reason than to get his jollies by killing her because her death didn't do a thing to further Stefan/Klaus' agenda. You can say Damon didn't treat her well, but who was the one who cared when she was dead? So...I made my point. SE fans are able to excuse anything and everything he does with excuses like this. Take Damon out of the equation and what do you have? Stefan killing her and how can that really be excused if you want to stick with the 'Stefan is this great guy' thing some of you have going on? I didn't excuse it. I just said that I did not care that she died because I did not care about the character. I mean I see why other did and why they were upset with Stefan and that he could have made another choice, but I just didn't feel that much about it because I didn't feel for her. If that makes sense. Plus let's be honest with why Stefan was in Mystic Falls in the first place. You can;t just want people to hate Stefan and think what he did was pure evil when the show made it clear it was not. Like I said could have gone about what needed to be done differently. I admit it, but there was method to the madness. He did not haphazadrly kill Andie and then regret is seconds later because it didn't need to be done (like Damon did with Jeremy) I don't know I am not making excuses I just seethe situations being very different. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 14, 2012 13:20:29 GMT -5
Wow, way to deflect the issue onto someone else. He killed her and he made her suffer at the end knowing she was going to die and for no other reason than to get his jollies by killing her because her death didn't do a thing to further Stefan/Klaus' agenda. You can say Damon didn't treat her well, but who was the one who cared when she was dead? So...I made my point. SE fans are able to excuse anything and everything he does with excuses like this. Take Damon out of the equation and what do you have? Stefan killing her and how can that really be excused if you want to stick with the 'Stefan is this great guy' thing some of you have going on? I didn't excuse it. I just said that I did not care that she died because I did not care about the character. I mean I see why other did and why they were upset with Stefan and that he could have made another choice, but I just did feel that much about it because I did feel for her. If that makes sense. Plus let's be honest with why Stefan was in Mystic Falls in the first place. You can;t just want people to hate Stefan and think what he did was pure evil when the show made it clear it was not. Like I said could have gone about what needed to be done differently. I admit it, but there was method to the madness. He did not haphazadrly kill Andie and then regret is seconds later because it didn't need to be done (like Damon did with Jeremy) I don't know I am not making excuses I just seethe situations being very different. I can't say that I cared so much about the character either but she's still dead and that was the point I was trying to make. She's dead and Stefan killed her. It's pretty simple really and if anything us Damon fans can do it's forgive these guys for the mistakes they make so it isn't the end of the world to admit Stefan isn't perfect and he makes mistakes. He is still redeemable. It makes him alot more interesting and 'human' that he isn't perfect. But he's gotta work through his stuff just like Damon does. It seems like alot of Stefan fans sort of choke on the idea that their boy isn't squeaky clean, however. How is Damon realizing the mistake he made with Jeremy quickly, a bad thing? I don't think Stefan has ever acknowledged what he did to Andie was a bad thing. Of the two, I feel like the guy who gets what he did is in a better position to change his behavior than the guy who doesn't. If you want to get technical about it, from a legal perspective premeditated is a worse crime because the person thought about it, planned it and went through with it, and that's what Stefan did. It makes the difference between first degree murder and say, manslaughter. So I'm not really understanding your argument on that. Although I'd have to say what Damon did was second degree, just not premeditated. So from our own laws what Stefan did was worse, was my point. It doesn't matter who the victim was or how much we cared about them. |
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
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