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Post by Slash on Apr 12, 2012 19:33:48 GMT -5
I've liked Cersei to a degree near the end of S1 and some of her scenes in this season so far (slapping Joffrey for instance). She still has her moments but I don't despise her as much as I did early on.
Theon's torn between his best friend/someone who he considers a Brother/a family that treated him right despite the circumstances of his stay and his family/kingdom now. I'm interested in seeing what he does going forward. I'd have to wonder that he had to have had some sort of idea about this possibly happening. His father tried to rebel before and now he's going to go ask for an army to aid the forces that squashed his rebellion the first time? With the Starks busy with the Lannisters and Stanis' forces prepping to enter the fray, he probably sees this as a great time for payback/taking back his Crown. Wondering how big his force is though. The Starks are still trying to muster some people and Stanis is doing the same.
You mean in the books, it's never detailed? It's just mentioned but in the show, they show it?
I'm kind of surprised Dany and her people only had one scene but it was a sad one. I know they're stuck/stranded and still had to regain an army but now it seems they have another item to add to the checklist before their original goal: they're going to take some vengeance first.
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Post by Slash on Apr 21, 2012 5:58:43 GMT -5
Thought I'd get in here for the past episode before a new episode airs. Yoren = Bad Ass  Sad to see him go but he went down fighting and it took a lot to put him down. A crossbow, some spears and then a sword down the back. Question: With the way the Nightwatch works in recruiting people for the wall, won't Joffrey's forces interfering with them cause some issues? I know they've got to worry about holding the wall and are currently searching beyond it but when one of their recruiters doesn't return with a new lot, won't they go looking? I kind of liked how this episode focused on a few storylines. Theon...don't know what to say. Torn between 2 families, one his biological one and one that's all he's known these past few years and who treated him right. I liked his outcry to his father. His father keeps coming down on him like he was the one who up and left when in fact it's because of his father's rebellion that he had to leave. Now to regain his place in his family, he'll side with them and decided against sending warning to Robb. Tyrion and Cersei are still at it. Was Tyrion trying hand off one of the daughters to piss off Cersei or was he actually trying to look out for her because of what happens when kingdoms are sacked (lets me honest, with all the Kings making claim and readying armies, it's best to take the precautions that the city will be taken). And loved his scheme to root out those who would pass on info to Cersei by telling everyone something different so he knew exactly who was talking. |
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Post by pixiestyx on Apr 21, 2012 23:42:51 GMT -5
Right now, I think that the Night's Watch has other things to worry about. But you're right, they would probably look for Yoren. Arya remains awesome. It was quick thinking of her to tell the Lannister men that Lommey was Gendry. Theon's scenes were sad. I loved the shot of him burning the letter to Robb. Margery was pretty great. And open. "Would you like my brother to come in and start for you? He won't mind. Or I can turn over and you can pretend I'm him."  I'm really looking forward to the next episode because if I think what's going to happen, happens it'll be great. |
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Post by Slash on Apr 22, 2012 1:57:28 GMT -5
Yeah, Nightwatch has to worry about what's going on beyond the wall but you would think with their numbers out beyond it, those recruits would have been needed to reinforce the wall just in case and with a member like Yoren missing, they'll be concerned. The Gold Cloaks (?) were looking for Gendry on Joffrey's orders but really, if he was on his way to the Wall, wouldn't that suffice since that's a life long commitment?
Forgot about Margery. I like that she's open about her husband's preference and doesn't care as long as she gets a child.
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Post by pixiestyx on Apr 22, 2012 15:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah, Nightwatch has to worry about what's going on beyond the wall but you would think with their numbers out beyond it, those recruits would have been needed to reinforce the wall just in case and with a member like Yoren missing, they'll be concerned. The Gold Cloaks (?) were looking for Gendry on Joffrey's orders but really, if he was on his way to the Wall, wouldn't that suffice since that's a life long commitment? Forgot about Margery. I like that she's open about her husband's preference and doesn't care as long as she gets a child. Joffery is crazy though. He seems to want them all dead. Not sure if you'll consider this a spoiler since it's just a change from the book -> [white] in the books, it is Cersei who orders the killing of the bastards, not Joffery. She does it to destroy all the evidence that they all have black hair while her kids have blond. I'm not sure why they changed it [/white] <- end. |
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Post by Slash on Apr 23, 2012 1:23:41 GMT -5
I'm hating Joffrey more and more each episode. What the hell is he doing? Putting Sansa through that in front of all those people when she's supposed to be his Queen? The power has gone straight to his head. And thank God that Tyrion arrived when he did with Bronn. I thought that was the end of Joffrey's ass hattery this episode but then he goes a bit further with the girls that Tyrion sent. Dany and her people have made it to a city now so I'm interested to see how things pick up with her since the one guy of the 13 vouched for her and her people. It's a handful of people and the city was concerned that they'd do something? Wouldn't even let them in if they didn't get to see some Dragons. And WTF at the end of the episode  |
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Post by pixiestyx on Apr 24, 2012 22:13:20 GMT -5
I guess you weren't expecting the shadow baby. Without saying anything else, I'm really surprised the episode ended there. Joffery is crazy and cruel. Loved Arya starting her nightly prayers. |
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Post by Slash on Apr 30, 2012 4:16:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised Renly died just like that and Stannis doesn't want anyone questioning him on the matter (despite the shadow looking like him). So now Stannis has another 100,000 (?) men to his forces and a fleet of ~30 ships as well. Is he the army to beat now? Granted a siege on a city is no easy task if fortifications are in place which is actually being taken care of (Cersei and Tyrion planning on using wildfire) but for those outside the wall and on open fields, tactics will have to be top notch to defeat his forces if he does have the numbers now. It's a shame too cause Renly was ready to ally with Robb and the North to take care of the Lannisters. I do like the scene though with Cat and Brienne. Now Brienne is sworn to Cat which if last night's scene is anything to go by, I'll be enjoying their company together. Liking Bran as well. Giving the go ahead to send the 200 men to defend the near village and sending 2 orphan boys to help the other man out as long as he offers them food and shelter in return. He seems to be on his way to becoming well suited to handling such problems with the rest of his family out. Of course, I don't know what to make of Theon as of late since we know it's his doing. Bran then talks about his dream where the ocean/sea swallows Winterfell which I only assume is foreshadowing of the Greyjoys taking it over. And Bran just sent off 200 men so things should be rough for them if it comes to defending themselves. I don't think Theon would let any harm come to any of the Starks though so...we'll see. The staredown between Tywin and Arya was just great, especially how she ended the conversation about everyone can be killed. Tywin knows Robb is a problem but he doesn't know that one of the sisters is fetching him water. And the guy that she runs into that she saved during the attack offers to take 3 lives for the Gods for saving him and his companions from that fire. I'm guessing he's part of the 'Brotherhood' that was mentioned in the last episode? A group of assassins and thieves? I think I'm going to break down and buy the books in my next trip...anyways, wonder who will be the other 2 she'll name. I don't think Tywin himself has caused her any trouble directly so I think he'll miss the list but I'm thinking maybe Joffrey and Cersei? Or Joffrey and the executioner? Littlefinger who betrayed her father? Dany has 2 options: marry the one guy and he'll provide her with the gold needed to hire an army and ships to take back the Iron Throne or simply take a ship back to Westeros with her Dragons and use them as a means to gather an army there amongst the people. Obviously her Dragons are going to need a bit more time to grow but I'm wondering if the Warlocks she met this episode would be of some use to her? Gah, these episodes just fly by and they're so good. Think there are only 5 more left before we're waiting till next April again  |
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Post by Slash on May 7, 2012 2:53:53 GMT -5
4 more episodes left Seriously Theon? Seriously? He's such a ass hat right now now that he's back in Winterfell. "I'm a Prince". Oh, I'm sorry 'Princess'. This is how he treats the people that took care of him? Cat obviously didn't trust him but come the hell on. Glad to see Osha break Bran and a few others out (including 2 of the Dire Wolfs) while they sneak off, most likely to find Robb. Really hope Theon pays up for this. Really enjoying the Arya & Tywin scenes. Sooner or later, I assume he's going to find out who she is. I think Littlefinger may have already but he'll probably sit on that for when he needs to use the info to better position himself (or to save his life). Jaqen is pretty awesome. Killing the guy going to tell on Arya just as he gets to the door. So Arya has spent 2 kills already and has 1 left. Joffrey! Joffrey! I don't see her killing Tywin, although it would help her Brother out greatly. Joffrey gets lower and lower which is odd cause I thought he'd hit rock bottom a few episodes back. "Is your Brother a Prince?" I'm waiting for someone to forgo slapping him and just punching him or hitting him with the butt of a sword/knife, although he got slapped again this episode by Tyrion Then him wanting to leave Sansa out there for the people to kill...*sigh* I know The Hound has kind of been quiet and out of the way but he obviously cares for Sansa or at the very least, is doing his best to keep an eye on her with the ass hat King and all. Tyrion was worried about the people turning on them but this probably happened sooner than he expected. He had the foresight to know something was about to happen. The people need food and have no resorted to cannibalism? Someone really needs to step in on Joffrey. Tyrion trying to do his best but I think he does need help. Cersei is being useless right now (although when she tried to do something earlier with him, he threatened her too) and too busy plotting/making threats against Tyrion (after this, surely her opinion about what he's been saying has to change), Jamie is still a prisoner (and dyslexic) and Tywin, his grandfather, is off fighting Robb. I was surprised I didn't see Bronn this episode either. Wondering what's going to happen to Jon Snow. His Wolf wasn't listening to him and now he's 'lost' with the one Wildling girl and has to cuddle up with her to keep from freezing and she's trying to mess with him I think he'll end up being caught by another group of Wildlings before making it back to his group. Wondering who stole Dany's Dragons. She's been out trying to get some ships to help her get to Westeros with no luck but I hated the '2nd Richest Guy'. Spice Merchant? Needs to really drop his attitude. I'm hoping when Dany gets things together, she kills him -_- I wonder if it was the Wizards (?) from the previous episode that stole her Dragons. They didn't seem to have any real ill-will towards her and were looking forward to meeting her so I'm not sure about that. The Spice Merchant to me seems more likely since he was so keen on seeing the Dragons at the gate but eh. I hope whoever took them, becomes a victim. I hope the Dragons find their way back to their Mother by leaving bodies in their wake (even though they're not that big ). |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 19:36:04 GMT -5
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Post by Slash on May 7, 2012 20:22:35 GMT -5
Ok, picked up the first book. I'm in the middle of Mortal Instruments though so I'll leave it till after.
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Post by Slash on Jul 13, 2012 13:32:42 GMT -5
**BOOK SPOILERS** So I've just read up to the part in Book 1 where Robert comes back from his hunting trip and the Boar has tore him a new one while leaving Eddard as the acting Protector of the Realm. The book really makes me hate Ned He's got the whole 'honor' thing down to a T and reading the book & seeing the show really drives home his downfall. Cersei offered him a chance to avoid war/problems. It's something she didn't want at all. Robert may be more than a brother to you Ned but this was something that was going to lead to trouble. He should have taken Cersei up on that deal. Then, while Robert is laying on his deathbed, Renly comes to him and tell him he'll give him his 30 men + give him an hour and he'll have nearly 100 at Ned's side to take/hold the throne so the Lannisters aren't in control of the kingdom (Joffrey being the heir). Ned would take up the role for up to 4 years till Joffrey was of age and they could go from there with what to do with the Kingdom. Instead, Ned talks about the honorable thing and that since Joffrey isn't of Robert's blood, the throne succeeds to Stannis, who Renly even points out is going to be a bad option (he'd go after the Houses from the last war). You have all these people trying to keep peace/do what's best for the realm (yeah, the Lannisters have their other motives) but Ned is just pushing it to conflict. Now, obviously from the show, we do see him bend a knee finally in 'confessing' so Cersei would spare him but then in comes Joffrey, cuts his head off, and you spark a war with the North and then it spread like wildfire with everyone trying to get in the race for the throne. Ned's role isn't the only one at fault here though. I think Cat is pretty horrible as well cause she took Tyrion the way she did which lead to Jamie acting out and killing some of Ned's men (probably pushing him further in exposing Cersei) and from there, Joffrey gets the idea that Ned is a traitor and should be made an example of and so on. So yes, Cat's actions play a big role too, if she hadn't taken Tyrion or confronted him on the matter in a better way (or didn't drag him all the way out to the Vale and instead worked with him and getting his help in finding out who really tried to kill Bran). If Ned had taken up Cersei on her offer, and if she kept from killing Robert (not forcing Ned's hand), the realm would have stayed peaceful or until Stannis thought he'd expose Joffrey/Cersei/Jamie (cause he fled after Jon Aryn died). After Joffrey gets the throne, Ned would be free to go back to Winterfell and Sansa would have married Joffrey to be the new Queen. Things would have worked out for him and his family in the end. Instead, the realm is in chaos because of the whole 'honorable' thing and it's a bad time cause the Wildlings and White Walkers are amassing forces beyond the Wall, that has ~/less than 1,000 men to defend it. Yes, I dread reading 'Eddard' chapters for that very reason. |
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Post by willlddcat on Jul 13, 2012 15:24:54 GMT -5
Does the book tell us why Joffrey is such a mean person? Did something happen to him?
Do you think Joffrey will be nicer to his new future wife?
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Post by Slash on Jul 13, 2012 15:49:44 GMT -5
Does the book tell us why Joffrey is such a mean person? Did something happen to him? Do you think Joffrey will be nicer to his new future wife? Not really much Joffrey from what I've read but the parts he does show up in, he's still an ass. He has the 'good Prince' front as we've seen but overall, I think it's because he's spoiled and he knows what he's coming into so he can get away with being an asshat. There is also the whole Targaryen thing: people say that the incest (marrying of sisters to brothers) in the Targaryen bloodline (to keep the Dragon blood pure) caused madness and the like to be a common trait amongst the offspring and since Joffrey is the offspring of incest (Jamie and Cersei), they think that that may be why he's so mean/blind to do his own thing regardless of the outcome cause he's now the King. Tyrion and Cersei poke at this in S2 of the show with Tyrion saying 2 out of 3 ain't bad (her other 2 children come off as normal/nice). As for being nice to his future wife, no. He's a sadist by all accounts. Making the 2 whores that were sent to him beat each other, having Sansa, his future wife, be beat/stripped in open court? He really doesn't seem to have a high opinion of women. I'm thinking his new setup with the Margaery from House Tyrell may have Tywin make sure he treats her properly cause the Tyrells have such a large military force and since they're in the middle of a war (Stannis on one front, Starks on another), doing anything to push the Tyrells away (who already didn't like the Lannisters) isn't something they want deal with. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jul 20, 2012 1:00:59 GMT -5
Does the book tell us why Joffrey is such a mean person? Did something happen to him? Do you think Joffrey will be nicer to his new future wife? Joffrey is inbred, that's all we need to know. There's quite alot of accounts in real world history of that and how it affected the minds of the offspring. This is why there are laws about today. |
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