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Post by Sweetluv4DE on May 8, 2012 21:56:48 GMT -5
The one where he and Elena were at the Cabin lake house thingy. HAHA I guess it's a lake house. She found the journal and the whole thing was sort of glossed over.
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Post by ruby2579 on May 8, 2012 22:00:53 GMT -5
Ahhhh I was watching that episode the other day well skimming through it and was he really bad mouthing damon there? I remember hi saying that he was worse then Damon. The only thing was when he was remembering about Lexi and during that time he didnt really have to bad mouth damon in the sense that he was trying to keep his girl
Even when he took elena to the mountain top after damon efed her his blood he told her straight up Damon loves you
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 8, 2012 22:16:04 GMT -5
Oh man don't make me have to find all those examples again now...I complied a list of all the bad things Stefan said about Damon back at the CW board which, of course, are now lost. Took me forever to go through all those episodes.  |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on May 8, 2012 22:22:09 GMT -5
Ahhhh I was watching that episode the other day well skimming through it and was he really bad mouthing damon there? I remember hi saying that he was worse then Damon. The only thing was when he was remembering about Lexi and during that time he didnt really have to bad mouth damon in the sense that he was trying to keep his girl Even when he took elena to the mountain top after damon efed her his blood he told her straight up Damon loves you No about his ripper self!!! How they glossed it over... That is my point. That Elena really didn't even know until season 3 exactly who the ripper was! I'm not saying he talked about Damon then.  |
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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 22:42:09 GMT -5
Thanks I love Klaus and his snarky quotes. HIm and Damon crack me up all the time! =) and also honestly Damon was the big bad guy in season 1 you cant really argue what Stefan said about his brother wasnt true. and He only really bad mouthed Damon with Elena. Bonnie had first hand experience with Damon in season 1 with him biting her and all Caroline Same thing Jeremy not until the beginning of season 2 Matt and Tyler werent in the loop so yea but I have to say Damon has redeemed himself plenty =) Elena talks... Bonnie's experience was unique to say the least. He was tasked with protecting her bloodline in a deal with Emily that would result in Katherine being freed. However, he got screwed ROYALLY in that deal and it had been some 140+ odd years that he waited. Bonnie wasn't so much as the target as Emily was who was possessing her at the time. Emily has it in for Damon and Bonnie really should take that up with her. Emily put Bonnie in that line of fire by using her body and then after pissing Damon off, leaving Bonnie to fend for herself (who was just coming to with all the Witch stuff) as soon as Damon attacked. Holding that against Damon is just wrong IMO when Emily is by far the one to blame. But we'll never get that backstory I assume of why Emily is the way she is towards Damon. It comes off shady as hell cause she strung Damon along solely to preserve her family and when the time came to pay up, she knew Katherine wasn't in there but didn't tell him. Why leave Bonnie in that situation and at that, the guy had tabs on her family. If he wanted to get payback (like Klaus threatened the 100 Dead Witches with 1000 living descendants that he'd hunt them all down), he easily could have on her family and would she have cared? Caroline...let it go. His blood saved her life, he was the only one that came for her on the Sacrifice night, he saved her again when Tyler was turning and he was there with Stefan to save her from the Wolves after he warned her about them. All her shots at him and the hate she's holding for the guy just needs to be let go. She's been alive as long as she has because of him. Did she even care at the end of S2 that he was going to die for saving her? Or did the Writers think it would have been a lesser retread of Damon-Rose where Rose saved Damon from a Wolf bite and Damon went begging to Jules for a cure? Did Caroline even acknowledge that he was about to die because he took his ass out into the woods to fight a Witch by himself (thankfully Matt showed up) to save her and bring Tyler along too because she had asked when it was a full moon as well? This is that case of everyone being stuck in their S1 stances of the Brothers despite all that's gone on. Jeremy wanted to be his sidekick at one point. I think he bowed out after the whole Mason thing. Matt & Tyler weren't in the loop as mentioned and he's taken something from both of them (Vicki & Mason respectively). However Mason had his fun and let the past be the past as he was more concerned with Tyler and Matt I'm sure followed Damon into the woods that night/day to kill him but both have since dropped any ill will towards him, or so it would seem with Caroline pushing him into Tyler's mind about killing Klaus and killing him in the process. I'm surprised Matt didn't mention the whole Vicki thing when he was talking to Elena about him and her relationship with the Brothers. |
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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 22:46:40 GMT -5
Ahhhh I was watching that episode the other day well skimming through it and was he really bad mouthing damon there? I remember hi saying that he was worse then Damon. The only thing was when he was remembering about Lexi and during that time he didnt really have to bad mouth damon in the sense that he was trying to keep his girl Even when he took elena to the mountain top after damon efed her his blood he told her straight up Damon loves you No about his ripper self!!! How they glossed it over... That is my point. That Elena really didn't even know until season 3 exactly who the ripper was! I'm not saying he talked about Damon then. Stefan painted her a picture and it's like she didn't get it or he didn't draw it well enough. In the beginning of S3, she said she knew about the Ripper and that Stefan had told her but even then, Damon was trying to keep it away from her. She thought it was Klaus leaving a trail, not Stefan. He kept her in the dark about him & Alaric tracking Stefan cause of the mess that was being left behind (butchered bodies). Damon showed her the wall of names and it really just had to sink in for her. It's like she thought it was a semi-worse Damon at best and figured, "Well, I can put up with Damon and I love Steffy so I can put up with this Ripper thing too." She had to have first hand experience (Hello Bridge) for it all to really come together for her. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 8, 2012 22:48:11 GMT -5
I never like Stefan. I tried, I truly DID try to like him because after all he's supposed to be the hero of the show and I think we're supposed to like him but I just can't and the ripper thing I thought would add a dimension to him that I might like but all it did was make him more unlikable to me. I don't think there's any redeeming him for me at this point but ya never know.
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Post by ruby2579 on May 8, 2012 22:51:17 GMT -5
Only reason I brought season 1 up was because of an earlier comment. I was saying Damon made a name for himself in season 1 not anyone else for him. I was giving examples of his interactions with others. And I was glad Elena was able to see the ripper bc when Stefan spoke to her about it she still held him up on a pedastle
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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 22:52:55 GMT -5
I never like Stefan. I tried, I truly DID try to like him because after all he's supposed to be the hero of the show and I think we're supposed to like him but I just can't and the ripper thing I thought would add a dimension to him that I might like but all it did was make him more unlikable to me. I don't think there's any redeeming him for me at this point but ya never know. I'm probably the same. The Ripper storyline was one of the aspects I was looking forward to for his character but it's like the Writers weren't committed to taking him down that road so they half-assed it and it's made his character even worse for me. They keep throwing this 'pure/safe' thing at us and just because you keep saying it in the show and making it known to the viewer doesn't mean it's true. They half-assed making his character interesting and crashed & burned with him before the season was even at the half way point. Every thing after that was them throwing gasoline on the wreck. |
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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 22:55:12 GMT -5
Only reason I brought season 1 up was because of an earlier comment. I was saying Damon made a name for himself in season 1 not anyone else for him. I was giving examples of his interactions with others. And I was glad Elena was able to see the ripper bc when Stefan spoke to her about it she still held him up on a pedastle I know. The Elena-Stefan thing is just...weird. Each one has such a high opinion of the other that they won't believe something that someone else tells them (even Damon who knows the guy) if it breaks that mold of what they have in their mind of the other. Elena especially in that regard: "No, Stefan wouldn't do that!" |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 8, 2012 22:56:14 GMT -5
I never like Stefan. I tried, I truly DID try to like him because after all he's supposed to be the hero of the show and I think we're supposed to like him but I just can't and the ripper thing I thought would add a dimension to him that I might like but all it did was make him more unlikable to me. I don't think there's any redeeming him for me at this point but ya never know. I'm probably the same. The Ripper storyline was one of the aspects I was looking forward to for his character but it's like the Writers weren't committed to taking him down that road so they half-assed it and it's made his character even worse for me. They keep throwing this 'pure/safe' thing at us and just because you keep saying it in the show and making it known to the viewer doesn't mean it's true. They half-assed making his character interesting and crashed & burned with him before the season was even at the half way point. Every thing after that was them throwing gasoline on the wreck. I know! lol I don't even know how they can now try to call him safe and pure after the ripper thing but yep they're doing it. As an actor, I'm sure Paul is disappointed because they basically short circuited the entire storyline and ended it without any growth for his character to speak of, just as if he was another one of the peeps on the sidelines that get derailed whenever there's a big storyline coming along. Yet, he's supposed to be one of the 'mains.' |
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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 23:02:46 GMT -5
I'm probably the same. The Ripper storyline was one of the aspects I was looking forward to for his character but it's like the Writers weren't committed to taking him down that road so they half-assed it and it's made his character even worse for me. They keep throwing this 'pure/safe' thing at us and just because you keep saying it in the show and making it known to the viewer doesn't mean it's true. They half-assed making his character interesting and crashed & burned with him before the season was even at the half way point. Every thing after that was them throwing gasoline on the wreck. I know! lol I don't even know how they can now try to call him safe and pure after the ripper thing but yep they're doing it. As an actor, I'm sure Paul is disappointed because they basically short circuited the entire storyline and ended it without any growth for his character to speak of, just as if he was another one of the peeps on the sidelines that get derailed whenever there's a big storyline coming along. Yet, he's supposed to be one of the 'mains.' I know he kept saying he was really looking forward to doing the Ripper storyline so I do feel bad for him in how they handled it. Not only that, but he's said he wants another love interest outside of Elena and I think JP already shot that down or at best, if they did attempt it, it'd be similar to Damon's situation(s) where there is some development but the girl ends up getting killed just to keep Elena in the picture and competition low...  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 8, 2012 23:05:10 GMT -5
I think the reason they haven't really done that is that character wise Stefan just isn't a 'player' but the ripper was. I don't think his fanbase really sees him as this two sided man though like the rest of us do and they get all upset by it rather than letting his character show some depth and that's to his detriment really.
They could have done so much with him and I was really excited about it, but nope, they f***ed that all up, too.
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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 23:18:31 GMT -5
I think the reason they haven't really done that is that character wise Stefan just isn't a 'player' but the ripper was. I don't think his fanbase really sees him as this two sided man though like the rest of us do and they get all upset by it rather than letting his character show some depth and that's to his detriment really. They could have done so much with him and I was really excited about it, but nope, they f***ed that all up, too. What's to be a 'player' about? If Elena chooses Damon, shouldn't the guy have a chance at love with someone else if he thinks he needs to move on past Elena for the time being? Same with Damon. If Elena chooses Stefan, should Damon still be caught in this cycle of loving solely Elena but sleeping around without really getting serious with anyone else? I don't see that as being fair to either Brother and I don't see why it has to be something left solely to them. Elena hasn't given Damon the time of day a lot of times and is just waiting for him to screw up. Why can't he find some [temporary true] happiness with another girl and then actually have Elena try and win him over? Not this BS where Damon actually has a good time with another girl and somehow, for whatever reason under the sun, he's in the wrong and Elena is allowed to grill him about it as if he's a slave to her and should run every thing by her first before doing it, even though that's something for his private/personal enjoyment. The man isn't on the clock Elena. Neither is Stefan. If Stefan wants to unwind with another girl and you're not with him, he shouldn't feel like he's doing something wrong and you can make them feel bad about it. This is one of the aspects I hate about the show. Damon isn't with Elena and enjoys himself in his free time outside of her but when she finds out, it's apparently wrong and she expects an apology of some sort or some admittance. What the hell kind of world do they live in where **** like this flies as being the norm for a relationship? Where she can hold them under such scrutiny as if they are exclusive to her and her alone. Where's Katherine at to challenge that claim? I'm sure neither Brother wants anything to do with her but I'm just as sure she'd put boot to ass with Elena acting like that. At the very least, Katherine gave both Brothers some attention (all the good that did and all the trouble it cause but both felt like she cared for them) and wasn't waiting for one of them to screw up for her to make a decision (some would debate she already had made one). She knew the good/bad of both Brothers and enjoyed them all the same. Then again, she's a Vampire with the years behind it. Elena is an 18 year old girl.  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 8, 2012 23:23:12 GMT -5
I totally agree. Elena never committed anything to Damon so why should he commit to her and for a long time he did have girlfriends ie Andie, Rose for example. It's only been since Elena got predatory lately that things have changed and that's really a result of her changing feelings for Damon so that right there should tell us alot.
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5