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Post by Slash on May 8, 2012 23:32:17 GMT -5
I don't think the show even wanted us to think of them as girlfriends. Remember: 'Distractions'  Rose had an understanding that although they had feelings for each other, Elena was the big game that Damon was after and his ultimate prize (I love their relationship but I don't like the aspect that Rose was OK in it with that looming over) and Andie was billed as just a 'distraction' to keep him away from Elena. The show just doesn't want to throw anything else serious into the mix for these 3 characters that pulls them [too far] from the triangle. It's actually a hard read though with Damon cause of the way he speaks of Rose but whatever. They killed her off, someone he was a good match with. |
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Post by ruby2579 on May 9, 2012 9:05:55 GMT -5
I think the reason they haven't really done that is that character wise Stefan just isn't a 'player' but the ripper was. I don't think his fanbase really sees him as this two sided man though like the rest of us do and they get all upset by it rather than letting his character show some depth and that's to his detriment really. They could have done so much with him and I was really excited about it, but nope, they f***ed that all up, too. I really don't think thats the case...I would like to see different sides of Stefan and i am a stefan fan. I enjoyed the ripper and wish they would've went deeper like slash said. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 9, 2012 12:54:11 GMT -5
You don't think what's the case? Stefan's diary stated that he was waking up in strange women's beds so I assume when he's in full ripper mode that he is nothing like the Stefan we knew in season 1. It's unfortunate that we didn't get to see more of what it really meant to be a ripper. Biting the heads off was comical but it didn't really fully portray a sense of horror that I thought the ripper, even the name is horrifying, was all about. He sliced and diced people and then put them back together, we got that, but we never really saw it and we never got the sense of just how horrific his killings were, at least I didn't.
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Post by Slash on May 9, 2012 13:21:59 GMT -5
No, we didn't. There was the one scene at the beginning where Damon & Alaric stumbled on his Lego set but that's about it. From there it was dropped for the most part. We got the standard "Drain, Leave Body Laying Around" crap after that which we saw before in the flashback where he had bodies laying around but it didn't really live up to the whole 'Ripper' name like the gnawing off of a head or butchering people into multiple pieces. Someone with the name 'Ripper', you expect to see a mess, in every sense of the word: body parts everywhere and not in a fashion that you can put them back together.
Dropped ball on the creative side with this story. Dropped and kicked across the street...I was really expecting an anomaly in the whole Vampire structure that kind of made him stand out more than just a indulgent eater. If other Vampires gave him the name 'Ripper', you kind of expected something that even made them fear/keep their distance to assign him his own moniker. But the whole 'Ripper' thing is kind of confusing. Lexi called him a Ripper but he was 'knighted' the title in the early 1900s after he fell off again. We really don't have a good picture of Lexi's experience with people like Stefan though so eh.
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Post by ruby2579 on May 9, 2012 13:28:39 GMT -5
I think they could've went evil with Stefan like similar to what they have done with Alaric. THe whole actual flip the switch type of thing and seeing how they tried to get him back
ALSO i meant that it wasn't the case in the fact that the Stefan fans only see one side to him. Or they cannot accept he has other sides. I think they very well know it
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 9, 2012 17:24:47 GMT -5
Well all I am going off is that I see a huge can of denial with his fans. All they ever seem to talk about is how he is this great guy and the ripper never comes into the mix and if he ever does its in the context of them being pissed off that they did that to their Steffy and how could they? I mean the guy has to have some dimension for gosh sakes and it's ok that he isn't perfect or AS perfect as apparently some people wish he was.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 17:33:29 GMT -5
I have to go back to work, but will be home later and I have tons of things I would like to say just after reading the 1st page. bbl  |
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Post by Slash on May 9, 2012 17:37:17 GMT -5
Well all I am going off is that I see a huge can of denial with his fans. All they ever seem to talk about is how he is this great guy and the ripper never comes into the mix and if he ever does its in the context of them being pissed off that they did that to their Steffy and how could they? I mean the guy has to have some dimension for gosh sakes and it's ok that he isn't perfect or AS perfect as apparently some people wish he was. My experience with the fanbase doesn't extend outside of this board and before that, the CW Boards. There had to be more to Stefan than what was introduced in S1. Even they had to have known that. Him being off human blood, there had to have been a reason beyond not wanting to kill to feed or not wanting to hurt people. Moderation and control, something he didn't have so there was obviously a darker side to him that he was trying to keep buried. Don't know what's so hard to understand about that or why it's so hard to view that about him. He's been living a lie. Whoopie! Be happy he has some dynamic to him and isn't just what was there in S1. Granted they screwed even that up this season...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 21:17:12 GMT -5
Okay I do not have enough time to read this whole thread, but I just want to say a couple things.
1. Isn't Stefan allowed to be a dick every once in awhile? I mean other characters act like a dick most of the time (not naming names..yet) and I am not seeing threads for those characters.
2. Stefan is not perfect. I have been watching Damon be a dick for 3 seasons and have been pretty much told that he acts that way because he deflecting his feelings, because this happened or that... don't you feel bad for him? because BECAUSE... well Damon fans, Stefan is acting this way (which is minimal if that IMO) because because BECAUSE of obvious reasons. Deal with it he is what you asked for him to be which is not perfect "Saint Stefan"
nuf said.
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Post by ruby2579 on May 9, 2012 21:40:00 GMT -5
Okay I do not have enough time to read this whole thread, but I just want to say a couple things. 1. Isn't Stefan allowed to be a dick every once in awhile? I mean other characters act like a dick most of the time (not naming names..yet) and I am not seeing threads for those characters. 2. Stefan is not perfect. I have been watching Damon be a dick for 3 seasons and have been pretty much told that he acts that way because he deflecting his feelings, because this happened or that... don't you feel bad for him? because BECAUSE... well Damon fans, Stefan is acting this way (which is minimal if that IMO) because because BECAUSE of obvious reasons. Deal with it he is what you asked for him to be which is not perfect "Saint Stefan" nuf said.  you just went off lol it is true stefan can be a dick you agreeing with doppel while defending him nice lol |
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Post by Slash on May 9, 2012 21:47:43 GMT -5
Make threads for those characters. I got a lot of hate to give for everyone.
Damon being a 'dick' is part of his usual demeanor. He's a smartass and will have a non-serious remark for most things. That's the Damon we know and are used to. He puts up with **** from everyone and is still there to save their asses. Stefan on the other hand is different from what we're used to. Him being a 'dick' isn't the norm and when he does choose a point in time to act as such, it comes off kind of worse/ill placed IMO. And he's been a dick alongside throwing everyone under the bus for his revenge plan against Klaus. It's not a good combination for him in my eyes in his specific scenario.
If Stefan wasn't lying to himself with the whole dual personality setup, it wouldn't even be a problem (or it would be, you never know). We've had this certain depiction of Stefan throughout the series that we've come to know him as and then they throw the dick in there which is a complete 180. We like to see a layered character but throwing a 'Damon-lite/esque' attitude on top of a selfish/self-loathing personality isn't exactly what people were looking for but that's less on him and more on the Writers backing out/half-assing his storyline. They had a chance to do something with him but they completely squandered it and for what gain, I don't know.
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Post by ruby2579 on May 9, 2012 21:55:49 GMT -5
So is Stefan a Dick or the Writers wrote him all wrong what do we agree on lol
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 22:01:51 GMT -5
Make threads for those characters. I got a lot of hate to give for everyone. Damon being a 'dick' is part of his usual demeanor. He's a smartass and will have a non-serious remark for most things. That's the Damon we know and are used to. He puts up with **** from everyone and is still there to save their asses. Stefan on the other hand is different from what we're used to. Him being a 'dick' isn't the norm and when he does choose a point in time to act as such, it comes off kind of worse/ill placed IMO. And he's been a dick alongside throwing everyone under the bus for his revenge plan against Klaus. It's not a good combination for him in my eyes in his specific scenario. If Stefan wasn't lying to himself with the whole dual personality setup, it wouldn't even be a problem (or it would be, you never know). We've had this certain depiction of Stefan throughout the series that we've come to know him as and then they throw the dick in there which is a complete 180. We like to see a layered character but throwing a 'Damon-lite/esque' attitude on top of a selfish/self-loathing personality isn't exactly what people were looking for but that's less on him and more on the Writers backing out/half-assing his storyline. They had a chance to do something with him but they completely squandered it and for what gain, I don't know. So Stefan acting out of character because of extreme circumstances is unacceptable? But Damon acting the way he does because that is just who he is (pretty much your words) ... is acceptable? It is good to know that is how some people look at it. I obviously don't agree. I think all characters on this show have proven to be, in some cases, passive aggressive. If you like the character you are okay with it and if you don't you're not. That's how I look at it. I still stand by the fact that Stefan (given the circumstance) could have acted like a WAY bigger dick and well a couple passive aggressive comments is really in turn showing good restraint. If it were me in the same situation I would not been able to bite my tongue the way he must. |
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Post by Slash on May 9, 2012 22:03:18 GMT -5
Both? He's what he is because the Writers had no direction like most of the other crap this season (all these storylines that either didn't amount to anything/much). They tried to add something more to him and fell flat on their faces doing so, dragging his character down. They should have ran with the Ripper storyline and built more on how brutal he is/was, not simply hanging around with a snarky comment. That's what Damon does. And then they try (or should we say 'did') to bring him back to his 'normal' (lie) self by speeding through the whole Ripper detox in the matter of a week or two when we know it takes decades for that. They ruined a chance to see him and Damon get along/bond more with Damon helping him.
A lot of characters have been mishandled this season, him and Caroline being the biggest WTF!?s for me (and Alaric to a degree as of late).
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 22:05:38 GMT -5
Both? He's what he is because the Writers had no direction like most of the other crap this season (all these storylines that either didn't amount to anything/much). They tried to add something more to him and fell flat on their faces doing so, dragging his character down. They should have ran with the Ripper storyline and built more on how brutal he is/was, not simply hanging around with a snarky comment. That's what Damon does. And then they try (or should we say 'did') to bring him back to his 'normal' (lie) self by speeding through the whole Ripper detox in the matter of a week or two when we know it takes decades for that. They ruined a chance to see him and Damon get along/bond more with Damon helping him. A lot of characters have been mishandled this season, him and Caroline being the biggest WTF!?s for me (and Alaric to a degree as of late). I agree with the bolded |
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