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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 21, 2012 23:46:31 GMT -5
I wanted to post but you all said it all! Seriously these two will never be Dean and Sam Winchester! Julie can try and try but they will never have me convinced that they are more than just blood. It's sad. I just don't and have never felt a genuine love for Damon from Stefan. I'm not saying he doesn't love his brother but a genuine love that runs deeper than this is my blood. Yes Stefan would go be a ripper to save Damon. He did make sure his brother didn't die but not wanting your brother to die or saving your brother doesn't cut it. Even the siblings or family members who are most at odds wouldn't let someone in their family die. I mean there are people in my family that i would rather not associate with but I love them and if they needed to be rescued and it was in my power to do so of course I would. Goes without saying.
But a real bond between siblings go deeper than that. The things Melody wrote down in regards to what Stefan has said to Damon are just harsh. It's not the sarcastic you're my little brother banter that Damon gives Stefan. It's like here is the knife, don't move, I'm about to stab you, do you feel that, yep going deeper, not done yet, let me twist the knife and ok lets just leave that knife in there. It's just deep cutting words that you cant take back. AND he has said these things to Damon and behind his back.
I guess I can never forgive Stefan when he used Damon's love for Elena to rescue her from Elijah and got all of the glory in the end when Damon stabbed Elijah. It was one of the most heart wrenching slaps in the face to DE fans. Julie couldn't have handed us worse. Wait i take that back... the "EPIC" dance episode last season and the season finale where Elena couldn't even tell Damon she loved him knowing he was about to die. Oh I forgot about that.
It's tough being a DE fan because it's tough being a Damon fan. You create this character, flaws and all and you just love the HELL out of him for it yet he gets s***ted on for being the most clever and for saving the day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 7:41:21 GMT -5
Yeah it sucks and you can't even go well since things are in a bit of a pinch with Damon and Elena at least I can enjoy the Stefan and Damon interactions because as you said Stefan is as good as twisting that knife in Damon's chest as Elena is.
To me I don't think the age gap really matters especially in your family. You can confide in your two year old sibling when your having issues and count on them to cheer you up. The problem with Damon and Stefan is more so that they don't trust or understand each other well.
I also think it's frustrating that we're to assume if Damon were to open up to Stefan that he would just turn around and use that as ammo to stab him in the back. I really don't want to hate Defan but I hate it for the same reason as Stelena. They don't really develop it much and it feels as if where in the same spot with it as season 1.
Of course they save each other when they're dying but it goes deeper than that like Sweet mentioned. I don't want the well he's my brother I have to save him mindset like it's a job or something.
I want Damon and Stefan to be able to have a light hearted normal conversation that doesn't end up in arguments, or be full of snark, or center around Elena. Considering that Stefan is Damon's only surviving family member and vice versa they should be able to confide in each other but with everything that's happened and been said I don't really care if they ever get along at this point.
And it's not like JP sucks at writing sibling relationships because she developed Jeremy and Elena just fine and over the seasons they've had their ups and downs but at the end of the day they're still family. (Well so far, gotta see how this vampire hunter thing with Jeremy goes).
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 22, 2012 10:43:20 GMT -5
I don't think Julie can write a good relationship between these two. With Jeremy and Elena there wasn't layers and major conflicts. Yes she was adopted but there wasn't years and years of being at odds with one another. Defan is complex and has many layers but I haven't seen those layers like you said Melody, developed.
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Post by Slash on Oct 22, 2012 13:43:49 GMT -5
At most, what do Jeremy & Elena argue about? How to protect someone? Otherwise they seem pretty supportive of one another during loses or what the other is going through. Damon & Stefan fight over *EVERYTHING*. Stefan questions Damon about the shirt he's wearing every morning before he leaves the house and straight up tells him "I don't like it. You fail at dressing yourself." When he walks into the main room, he tells Damon he's drinking his liquor wrong. It's like the 2 find whatever they can to argue about.
I think JP's problem is the triangle aspect being layered over the brother aspect. The triangle is taking precedence over the family ties in her developing of the characters and there is rarely, if at all, a struggle in the decisions between a love for a brother or the love for this girl.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 22, 2012 16:18:32 GMT -5
Stefan treats Damon like s***, plain and simple. He's the type of guy who looks down his (pointy) nose at people. That's why Elena didn't go to him for help. She knew she'd just get lectured and treated lesser than by Mr. High and Mighty. She knew Damon would understand. She knew Damon wouldn't judge her.
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Post by pixiestyx on Oct 22, 2012 20:57:06 GMT -5
Stefan flat out sucks. I don't know how they can redeem him in my eyes.
I've decided to ship Stefan + Death.
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Post by Slash on Oct 22, 2012 21:00:41 GMT -5
They'd have to pretty much sleep on Damon's development for 3 seasons or 'Stefan' him to get Stefan out of the gutter and on equal footing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 9:52:00 GMT -5
Yeah for me Stefan also ruins Defan for me and is one of the reasons why I hate for his treatment of Damon. Yeah Damon has his moments too but it's moments when he's pushed off the edge and everyone's up in his grill. But even then he doesn't pull stunts like Stefan with trash talking or waiting to punch him at the least appropriate time. I'm pretty sure if Damon punched Stefan after he was shot like that everyone would be taking out their torches and ready to burn Damon at the stake.  That's another thing I hate about Defan. The blatant bias surrounding the characters and fans. I want to give Julie a gold star because she tried, but Defan isn't really going to work out anymore.  |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 23, 2012 12:17:29 GMT -5
Biased! By fans, by the creator and the character's on the show. This bias has ruined Defan! I agree. When one brother does something and gets no slap on the wrist then the other brother does it and there is a witch hunt for his head you know that there can never be a true fan appreciation for this brotherly relationship!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 9:24:34 GMT -5
I hate it when we get a scene like last episode with Damon's speech to Stefan (with Lily as the mouthpiece) and suddenly everyone in the fandom is all, 'The true love story of the show is the brothers!' and it's like, yeah... no.
We always witness the same one sided crap as we always do. Damon doing everything for Stefan, coddling/babying him while Stefan is just there to reap the awards. The only time I truly enjoy Defan moments, since it's so rare, is when Stefan is the one giving Damon the encouragement.
And of course they're reunion in season 6 when we see Stefan admit that he's lost without Damon.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 19, 2015 9:28:56 GMT -5
Because he is lost without Damon. Damon probably wipes his ass after he uses the restroom...lol Stefan is a pathetically weak character and it is evident all the time in the way Damon has to coddle him, clean up after him, bolster him up, let him believe he is the 'white knight' so he doesn't collapse into a pathetic crying ball of goo. I can't stand Stefan and his weakness...I really can't and as far as I am concerned Defan is a codependent relationship where Damon gives his all and Stefan takes it and that is it. I'm fairly certain Stefan will give Damon bad advice coming up about Elena just to further the hatred I feel for him... I know this isn't anti-Stefan but it's all the same for me. He's worthless to Damon, nothing but a ball and chain dragging him down. I have no desire to watch a season full of phony Defan happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 9:49:03 GMT -5
Here we witness Defan in it's natural habitat. Where Stefan makes things about himself and projects his feelings on Damon. 'You sound like me four years ago.' Stefan making the assumption that because Elena left him, she'll leave Damon lol. Wait wasn't Stefan already in a comfortable spot with DE and saw it as something good for the characters. Aren't retcons just lovely! Sure can't wait for more of this in season 7!
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 12, 2015 10:35:19 GMT -5
Here we witness Defan in it's natural habitat. Where Stefan makes things about himself and projects his feelings on Damon. 'You sound like me four years ago.' Stefan making the assumption that because Elena left him, she'll leave Damon lol. Wait wasn't Stefan already in a comfortable spot with DE and saw it as something good for the characters. Aren't retcons just lovely! Sure can't wait for more of this in season 7!
Stefan is such an ass! He says whatever he feels like to punish Damon at the time. If he's feeling magnanimous or vulnerable he might say something nice...might, but it's always sort of in a grudging way like he's somehow losing something by being nice to his brother...he's the worst. I really hate him. At this point I would be too shocked to see Stefan actually be genuine that I would believe he has something up his sleeve if it ever happened and he was only doing it for some secret reason that had nothing to do with being genuine. I hate Defan. I want Damon to leave his ass for good. It would be the best thing he could ever do for himself and his self esteem. Stefan is literally the psychological representation of Damon's father who he could never please and was never good enough for. Getting rid of Stefan means getting rid of that ghost and Damon could then become who he was meant to be and feel good about himself without that damnation that always follows him named Stefan. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 12, 2015 12:00:26 GMT -5
From the comic book...
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:39:10 GMT -5
Can I take a moment to gawk at how good Damon/Ian looks in comic form? Haha.
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