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Post by Doppelgänger on May 12, 2015 13:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 12:47:50 GMT -5
I think I should give up ever expecting the writers to make this relationship an enjoyable watch. I also feel that JP's whole 'good brother/bad brother' motif bleeds over into how she writes Defan. Every time Defan is at odds, Damon is always made out to be the one with the 'bad guy' logic while Stefan is made out to be perceived the one who always knows what's right or the 'hero' logic. Let's take Stefan wanting to get revenge on Julian right away. Damon wanted to wait it out six months, but Stefan wants to instantly get rid of Julian. Why is Damon wanting to wait a few months seen as the wrong way to handle things?
When Damon told this plan to Bonnie, she was all for it. It also makes the most sense. Get both Julian and Lily comfortable for a few months and when they finally unleash their plan to kill Julian, no one would expect it and the plan has more chance to succeed. Instead now that Stefan tried to kill Julian, AND FAILED. He's now aware of the brothers wanting to kill them and is more on his guard, not to mention the gears are likely turning in his head to find some way to get rid of them.
Damon had the more sound argument, yet because Stefan disagrees with it, it's the 'bad' logic. Imagine if Damon was the one who just wanted to go full speed and kill Julian while Stefan was the one who wanted to wait it out. In fact most of the time everyone is always on Damon's back about instantly resorting to violence to solve problems and here we have Stefan doing just that. Stefan's no hero to me. He's always so quick to want revenge and when he does, no one can convince him out of it, even when Damon wasn't on board with killing Julian, Stefan still was going to go ahead and do whatever the heck he wanted, without a care to who he would have put in danger at that party.
What makes this the most laughable is the fact EITHER WAY JULIAN WILL STILL DIE. It's not like Damon completely disagreed with Stefan in wanting to kill Julian, he just wanted to wait it out for an appropriate time to strict. That's the smart way to plan for a potential murder, not running in like an idiot. But no, because Stefan is a big selfish baby, he has to get what he wants and Damon always has to be made to cater to him.
I think the conversation about Valerie and being a father that got Damon on board didn't have to make Damon completely drop his sound strategy. Something to the effect of, 'I know you want to kill Julian and get revenge for Valerie. And I assure that you will get that satisfaction. But charging in reckless without having a clue as to what this guy is all about is not the way to go about it. We'll continue to watch him, let him and Lily get comfortable, all the while we come up with the perfect plan to kill him.'
But Stefan's all, 'Not six months. Not six weeks. Now.' LOL. Oh man if Damon pulled this he'd be getting ripped apart by the fandom. How does no one see Stefan as the selfish brother when he acts like this? It's insane, good grief. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 22, 2015 10:57:28 GMT -5
I think I should give up ever expecting the writers to make this relationship an enjoyable watch. I also feel that JP's whole 'good brother/bad brother' motif bleeds over into how she writes Defan. Every time Defan is at odds, Damon is always made out to be the one with the 'bad guy' logic while Stefan is made out to be perceived the one who always knows what's right or the 'hero' logic. Let's take Stefan wanting to get revenge on Julian right away. Damon wanted to wait it out six months, but Stefan wants to instantly get rid of Julian. Why is Damon wanting to wait a few months seen as the wrong way to handle things?
When Damon told this plan to Bonnie, she was all for it. It also makes the most sense. Get both Julian and Lily comfortable for a few months and when they finally unleash their plan to kill Julian, no one would expect it and the plan has more chance to succeed. Instead now that Stefan tried to kill Julian, AND FAILED. He's now aware of the brothers wanting to kill them and is more on his guard, not to mention the gears are likely turning in his head to find some way to get rid of them.
Damon had the more sound argument, yet because Stefan disagrees with it, it's the 'bad' logic. Imagine if Damon was the one who just wanted to go full speed and kill Julian while Stefan was the one who wanted to wait it out. In fact most of the time everyone is always on Damon's back about instantly resorting to violence to solve problems and here we have Stefan doing just that. Stefan's no hero to me. He's always so quick to want revenge and when he does, no one can convince him out of it, even when Damon wasn't on board with killing Julian, Stefan still was going to go ahead and do whatever the heck he wanted, without a care to who he would have put in danger at that party.
What makes this the most laughable is the fact EITHER WAY JULIAN WILL STILL DIE. It's not like Damon completely disagreed with Stefan in wanting to kill Julian, he just wanted to wait it out for an appropriate time to strict. That's the smart way to plan for a potential murder, not running in like an idiot. But no, because Stefan is a big selfish baby, he has to get what he wants and Damon always has to be made to cater to him.
I think the conversation about Valerie and being a father that got Damon on board didn't have to make Damon completely drop his sound strategy. Something to the effect of, 'I know you want to kill Julian and get revenge for Valerie. And I assure that you will get that satisfaction. But charging in reckless without having a clue as to what this guy is all about is not the way to go about it. We'll continue to watch him, let him and Lily get comfortable, all the while we come up with the perfect plan to kill him.'
But Stefan's all, 'Not six months. Not six weeks. Now.' LOL. Oh man if Damon pulled this he'd be getting ripped apart by the fandom. How does no one see Stefan as the selfish brother when he acts like this? It's insane, good grief. Yeah we don't see tons of posts anywhere condemning Stefan for his reckless behavior do we? The worst part about Stefan when he is compulsive is that he almost always fails in his half baked plans and Damon is left to either clean it up or take the brunt of it. In this case I think that it would have been ooc for Damon to really adamantly refuse to help Stefan or demand he wait after he got the whole story. After all Damon knows about reckless and impulsive behavior and exacting revenge when and how you want to. Stefan's plans just usually generally suck and get other people hurt. Remember his Klaus revenge? That was the worst! I had a bit of dejavu when Stefan got Matt to knock Damon out and residual anger over that stupid episode where he and Elena did it. I hate how the show gloss that over when people he trusts betray him. He should be hella angry and kick Stefan's ass. Also as I recall Damon used to be resistant to being vervained and it took a horse tranquilizer full to take him down but this time he fainted like a woman in a tight corset...LOL Convenience of the storyline to get Damon out of the way? Exactly! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 13:54:50 GMT -5
I think I should give up ever expecting the writers to make this relationship an enjoyable watch. I also feel that JP's whole 'good brother/bad brother' motif bleeds over into how she writes Defan. Every time Defan is at odds, Damon is always made out to be the one with the 'bad guy' logic while Stefan is made out to be perceived the one who always knows what's right or the 'hero' logic. Let's take Stefan wanting to get revenge on Julian right away. Damon wanted to wait it out six months, but Stefan wants to instantly get rid of Julian. Why is Damon wanting to wait a few months seen as the wrong way to handle things?
When Damon told this plan to Bonnie, she was all for it. It also makes the most sense. Get both Julian and Lily comfortable for a few months and when they finally unleash their plan to kill Julian, no one would expect it and the plan has more chance to succeed. Instead now that Stefan tried to kill Julian, AND FAILED. He's now aware of the brothers wanting to kill them and is more on his guard, not to mention the gears are likely turning in his head to find some way to get rid of them.
Damon had the more sound argument, yet because Stefan disagrees with it, it's the 'bad' logic. Imagine if Damon was the one who just wanted to go full speed and kill Julian while Stefan was the one who wanted to wait it out. In fact most of the time everyone is always on Damon's back about instantly resorting to violence to solve problems and here we have Stefan doing just that. Stefan's no hero to me. He's always so quick to want revenge and when he does, no one can convince him out of it, even when Damon wasn't on board with killing Julian, Stefan still was going to go ahead and do whatever the heck he wanted, without a care to who he would have put in danger at that party.
What makes this the most laughable is the fact EITHER WAY JULIAN WILL STILL DIE. It's not like Damon completely disagreed with Stefan in wanting to kill Julian, he just wanted to wait it out for an appropriate time to strict. That's the smart way to plan for a potential murder, not running in like an idiot. But no, because Stefan is a big selfish baby, he has to get what he wants and Damon always has to be made to cater to him.
I think the conversation about Valerie and being a father that got Damon on board didn't have to make Damon completely drop his sound strategy. Something to the effect of, 'I know you want to kill Julian and get revenge for Valerie. And I assure that you will get that satisfaction. But charging in reckless without having a clue as to what this guy is all about is not the way to go about it. We'll continue to watch him, let him and Lily get comfortable, all the while we come up with the perfect plan to kill him.'
But Stefan's all, 'Not six months. Not six weeks. Now.' LOL. Oh man if Damon pulled this he'd be getting ripped apart by the fandom. How does no one see Stefan as the selfish brother when he acts like this? It's insane, good grief. Yeah we don't see tons of posts anywhere condemning Stefan for his reckless behavior do we? The worst part about Stefan when he is compulsive is that he almost always fails in his half baked plans and Damon is left to either clean it up or take the brunt of it. In this case I think that it would have been ooc for Damon to really adamantly refuse to help Stefan or demand he wait after he got the whole story. After all Damon knows about reckless and impulsive behavior and exacting revenge when and how you want to. Stefan's plans just usually generally suck and get other people hurt. Remember his Klaus revenge? That was the worst! I had a bit of dejavu when Stefan got Matt to knock Damon out and residual anger over that stupid episode where he and Elena did it. I hate how the show gloss that over when people he trusts betray him. He should be hella angry and kick Stefan's ass. Also as I recall Damon used to be resistant to being vervained and it took a horse tranquilizer full to take him down but this time he fainted like a woman in a tight corset...LOL Convenience of the storyline to get Damon out of the way? Exactly! The only thing I didn't get in this case is that it's not one of those instances where Damon's on one end of the spectrum in what to do while Stefan's on the other, they both want to kill Julian, they just disagree on the timing. In the end Julian will still die and Damon's pretty much on board with killing him, so Stefan can't take some form of compromise when it comes to when Julian will die? And as you mentioned with Stefan and Matt working together to get Damon out of the picture, it's always the same crap with Stefan. If Damon is against him, he'll use force to get him out of the way or some other form of manipulation to get Damon to agree with him. This dynamic is getting old. It's always about catering to Stefan. The plan didn't even work and next week whatever plan they rush in to again still doesn't work and instead puts one of them on the verge of dying.
I think I'd feel differently if this season had Defan acting in equal harmony. But they don't. Stefan makes a plan to move Lily in their house while Damon is out, and when they run into trouble with Oscar's body, Stefan doesn't even want to help Damon at first since it's Damon's problem. All Defan ever seems to be is Stefan saying no when Damon needs help but when he needs Damon's help, Damon's not allowed to say no because Stefan will be stupid and do whatever he wants anyways (and it's not like Damon's going to let him go off and get himself killed) or he'll find some way to get Damon out of the picture so he doesn't stop him. It feels like when Stefan has a sappy story, Damon's always effected by it/made to be sympathetic, but when it comes to Damon, Stefan still doesn't give a crap. He'll still treat Damon as the one in the wrong, verbally abuse him etc. And of course he'll be toted as the selfish brother if he doesn't help Stefan lol. Damon's the older brother by quite a few years and Stefan has that safety blanket with Damon, being the one to lean on and to clean up his messes. But other times I find myself rolling my eyes. Sometimes I want Damon to just come out, 'You're a complete idiot.' I just don't see why a younger brother just has this much influence/control. It feels so grating. Damon's the more mature and logical one so the plan to kill Julian should revolve around what makes the most sense, to rush in or wait it out. But it feels like it's just another 'Stefan vs Damon' type thing. Because Damon said it, it's automatically the wrong thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 21:22:44 GMT -5
Stefan: Since when do you think logically?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 10, 2015 21:42:26 GMT -5
Stefan: Since when do you think logically?
Why is Stefan always made to say things that don't make any freaking sense? lol  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 13:04:25 GMT -5
Back to this horribly written relationship again, next episode is certainly going to be quite the doozey. Like Stefan just immediately punching Damon as he mentions his reason for why he's acting the way he is next episode.
So Stefan just believes that Damon killed Elena, just like that? He's not going to pause for a few seconds and go I don't know, 'Wait let's just think this over for a second. You and I know both know you'd never hurt Elena in a million years. You were always the one to keep her safe, even when it would come at the cost of her hating you. Remember I mentioned how the hell doesn't stop once you're out of the phoenix stone and even I'm still feeling the effects messing with my head.' or something along those lines.
Grr I want to write for Stefan's character! We'll probably get some self righteous speech from Stefan and how he would have never cracked under the pressure to harm Caroline or something. Of course I doubt Damon would tell him the context of this.
And Stefan can't talk either, while Damon thought he was killing Henry, Stefan was fully aware as he poured gasoline over Damon's real body. In fact it'd be bye bye Damon if Caroline hadn't conveniently stepped in. Stefan can't act like he's on any higher moral ground. And since we know that wasn't really Damon in the car, he'll have no idea that Stefan even tried to kill him and he probably won't even mention that to Damon.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 6, 2016 16:26:10 GMT -5
Back to this horribly written relationship again, next episode is certainly going to be quite the doozey. Like Stefan just immediately punching Damon as he mentions his reason for why he's acting the way he is next episode. So Stefan just believes that Damon killed Elena, just like that? He's not going to pause for a few seconds and go I don't know, 'Wait let's just think this over for a second. You and I know both know you'd never hurt Elena in a million years. You were always the one to keep her safe, even when it would come at the cost of her hating you. Remember I mentioned how the hell doesn't stop once you're out of the phoenix stone and even I'm still feeling the effects messing with my head.' or something along those lines. Grr I want to write for Stefan's character! We'll probably get some self righteous speech from Stefan and how he would have never cracked under the pressure to harm Caroline or something. Of course I doubt Damon would tell him the context of this. And Stefan can't talk either, while Damon thought he was killing Henry, Stefan was fully aware as he poured gasoline over Damon's real body. In fact it'd be bye bye Damon if Caroline hadn't conveniently stepped in. Stefan can't act like he's on any higher moral ground. And since we know that wasn't really Damon in the car, he'll have no idea that Stefan even tried to kill him and he probably won't even mention that to Damon. Well it was a promo so who knows if that's exactly how it goes down in the show. I knew this Stefan being understanding was a lie. He just felt guilty about trying to kill Damon so his 'leniency' with Damon was really just because he wanted to forgive his own damn self for what he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:08:53 GMT -5
Back to this horribly written relationship again, next episode is certainly going to be quite the doozey. Like Stefan just immediately punching Damon as he mentions his reason for why he's acting the way he is next episode. So Stefan just believes that Damon killed Elena, just like that? He's not going to pause for a few seconds and go I don't know, 'Wait let's just think this over for a second. You and I know both know you'd never hurt Elena in a million years. You were always the one to keep her safe, even when it would come at the cost of her hating you. Remember I mentioned how the hell doesn't stop once you're out of the phoenix stone and even I'm still feeling the effects messing with my head.' or something along those lines. Grr I want to write for Stefan's character! We'll probably get some self righteous speech from Stefan and how he would have never cracked under the pressure to harm Caroline or something. Of course I doubt Damon would tell him the context of this. And Stefan can't talk either, while Damon thought he was killing Henry, Stefan was fully aware as he poured gasoline over Damon's real body. In fact it'd be bye bye Damon if Caroline hadn't conveniently stepped in. Stefan can't act like he's on any higher moral ground. And since we know that wasn't really Damon in the car, he'll have no idea that Stefan even tried to kill him and he probably won't even mention that to Damon. Well it was a promo so who knows if that's exactly how it goes down in the show. I knew this Stefan being understanding was a lie. He just felt guilty about trying to kill Damon so his 'leniency' with Damon was really just because he wanted to forgive his own damn self for what he did. I did ponder that and question whether the scenes could have been placed like that but we know that either way Stefan punches Damon whether they go into a few lines that explain the context of killing Elena or not. Though I guess you could also say it could also be a punch from an entirely different scene. Like outside of the fighting club or whatever else Damon gets himself into and that's Stefan's reaction to all the crazy stuff. But like you mentioned I feel like Stefan won't be that understanding. Last episode when Damon mentioned his true self in the context of Henry trying to bring out his dark side, Stefan agrees and mouths off things like, 'manipulative' and so on. Forgot the other parts lol. It seems like Stefan will just believe that Damon would do something like that and I feel like some SE bait or comparison between the two brothers love lives is inevitable. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 7, 2016 23:15:39 GMT -5
Well it was a promo so who knows if that's exactly how it goes down in the show. I knew this Stefan being understanding was a lie. He just felt guilty about trying to kill Damon so his 'leniency' with Damon was really just because he wanted to forgive his own damn self for what he did. I did ponder that and question whether the scenes could have been placed like that but we know that either way Stefan punches Damon whether they go into a few lines that explain the context of killing Elena or not. Though I guess you could also say it could also be a punch from an entirely different scene. Like outside of the fighting club or whatever else Damon gets himself into and that's Stefan's reaction to all the crazy stuff. But like you mentioned I feel like Stefan won't be that understanding. Last episode when Damon mentioned his true self in the context of Henry trying to bring out his dark side, Stefan agrees and mouths off things like, 'manipulative' and so on. Forgot the other parts lol. It seems like Stefan will just believe that Damon would do something like that and I feel like some SE bait or comparison between the two brothers love lives is inevitable. SE? What's SE? LOL Can you imagine if they actually tried to resurrect that dead ship? I kind of think the punch could be over something he says cause you know Damon and his smart mouth. It's pretty easy for him to say just the thing that will get him punched because in his current state of mind he wants to be abused and my guess is that Stefan falls for it and then realizes he was had and says some junk about how if Damon wants to destroy his life then he can go ahead but he won't be any part of it or some junk like that and he will once again, walk away...he's really good at that! It actually makes perfect sense that Damon wants to punish himself severely give the way he was raised and what the consequences to doing something wrong could be for him, like being burned by a cigar. I mean, who does that to a kid? Now Damon thinks he did the worst possible thing, the most unthinkable thing he could ever do and he deserved to be punished endlessly for it. That appears to be his state of mind. But I really don't see Stefan sticking around to help him for long since HIS hell was about letting Damon go...LOL Go figure he'd get a copout. While Damon was taking his licks for him from their father, Stefan got the luxury of NOT taking the consequences so he gives up too easily all the freaking time. When the going gets tough, Stefan gets going. Running away is his specialty. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 23:33:52 GMT -5
I did ponder that and question whether the scenes could have been placed like that but we know that either way Stefan punches Damon whether they go into a few lines that explain the context of killing Elena or not. Though I guess you could also say it could also be a punch from an entirely different scene. Like outside of the fighting club or whatever else Damon gets himself into and that's Stefan's reaction to all the crazy stuff. But like you mentioned I feel like Stefan won't be that understanding. Last episode when Damon mentioned his true self in the context of Henry trying to bring out his dark side, Stefan agrees and mouths off things like, 'manipulative' and so on. Forgot the other parts lol. It seems like Stefan will just believe that Damon would do something like that and I feel like some SE bait or comparison between the two brothers love lives is inevitable. SE? What's SE? LOL Can you imagine if they actually tried to resurrect that dead ship? I kind of think the punch could be over something he says cause you know Damon and his smart mouth. It's pretty easy for him to say just the thing that will get him punched because in his current state of mind he wants to be abused and my guess is that Stefan falls for it and then realizes he was had and says some junk about how if Damon wants to destroy his life then he can go ahead but he won't be any part of it or some junk like that and he will once again, walk away...he's really good at that! It actually makes perfect sense that Damon wants to punish himself severely give the way he was raised and what the consequences to doing something wrong could be for him, like being burned by a cigar. I mean, who does that to a kid? Now Damon thinks he did the worst possible thing, the most unthinkable thing he could ever do and he deserved to be punished endlessly for it. That appears to be his state of mind. But I really don't see Stefan sticking around to help him for long since HIS hell was about letting Damon go...LOL Go figure he'd get a copout. While Damon was taking his licks for him from their father, Stefan got the luxury of NOT taking the consequences so he gives up too easily all the freaking time. When the going gets tough, Stefan gets going. Haha yeah that sounds about right. We always seem to be good at predicting this stuff it's almost crazy! And I guess by SE bait not in the full blown sense that it'll give the ship hope to come back, that ship is buried more than six feet under at this point. Though they could have Stefan say something along the lines that would put SE's old relationship as the more 'perfect' like they did back in season 5 despite SE having been broken up for episodes, they still had to have Elena tell Stefan that he was the perfect boyfriend and that he knew her better than anyone and blah blah. Stefan can easily say to Damon's face how he would have never let the pressure get to him to kill Elena or say how Elena meant much more to him than it did to Damon since he killed her, as far as he knows now. Of course Stefan pretty much let her die without even knowing there was blood in her system but they'll never bring that up. So that's the main concern, more BS lines to change canon or be flat out annoying to hear since JP loves Stefan so much. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 7, 2016 23:39:41 GMT -5
SE? What's SE? LOL Can you imagine if they actually tried to resurrect that dead ship? I kind of think the punch could be over something he says cause you know Damon and his smart mouth. It's pretty easy for him to say just the thing that will get him punched because in his current state of mind he wants to be abused and my guess is that Stefan falls for it and then realizes he was had and says some junk about how if Damon wants to destroy his life then he can go ahead but he won't be any part of it or some junk like that and he will once again, walk away...he's really good at that! It actually makes perfect sense that Damon wants to punish himself severely give the way he was raised and what the consequences to doing something wrong could be for him, like being burned by a cigar. I mean, who does that to a kid? Now Damon thinks he did the worst possible thing, the most unthinkable thing he could ever do and he deserved to be punished endlessly for it. That appears to be his state of mind. But I really don't see Stefan sticking around to help him for long since HIS hell was about letting Damon go...LOL Go figure he'd get a copout. While Damon was taking his licks for him from their father, Stefan got the luxury of NOT taking the consequences so he gives up too easily all the freaking time. When the going gets tough, Stefan gets going. Haha yeah that sounds about right. We always seem to be good at predicting this stuff it's almost crazy! And I guess by SE bait not in the full blown sense that it'll give the ship hope to come back, that ship is buried more than six feet under at this point. Though they could have Stefan say something along the lines that would put SE's old relationship as the more 'perfect' like they did back in season 5 despite SE having been broken up for episodes, they still had to have Elena tell Stefan that he was the perfect boyfriend and that he knew her better than anyone and blah blah. Stefan can easily say to Damon's face how he would have never let the pressure get to him to kill Elena or say how Elena meant much more to him than it did to Damon since he killed her, as far as he knows now. Of course Stefan pretty much let her die without even knowing there was blood in her system but they'll never bring that up. So that's the main concern, more BS lines to change canon or be flat out annoying to hear since JP loves Stefan so much. Ugh...I hope not but yeah I could see Stefan saying some garbage like that. He conveniently forgets the times he did stuff to endanger Elena's life, let her walk off to her death with Klaus while he closed his eyes and let her, fed her blood and threatened to drive her off wickery bridge, let her drown...but he was the perfect boyfriend...ummm...if that's perfect, I'm staying single. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 7, 2016 23:43:21 GMT -5
I really do hope that it was all a hallucination because if it wasn't and somehow they have to resurrect Elena for their reunion 3 years from now, Damon will never hear the end of it, especially from Stefan who will use it to bludgeon him repeatedly whenever the need arises, like every conflict, Stefan would be all, "Well at least I never killed Elena."
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 8, 2016 0:08:01 GMT -5
Defan in a nutshell...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 0:14:08 GMT -5
I really do hope that it was all a hallucination because if it wasn't and somehow they have to resurrect Elena for their reunion 3 years from now, Damon will never hear the end of it, especially from Stefan who will use it to bludgeon him repeatedly whenever the need arises, like every conflict, Stefan would be all, "Well at least I never killed Elena." Even though he technically did lol. But I can see where that's going to be annoying in that regard, that will never stop being the thing that people throw around. And Stefan is good on throwing out some random low blow in the midst of arguments with Damon, plenty of guilt trips to get him to go along with whatever his current plan/objective is. |
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5