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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 8, 2016 0:20:11 GMT -5
I really do hope that it was all a hallucination because if it wasn't and somehow they have to resurrect Elena for their reunion 3 years from now, Damon will never hear the end of it, especially from Stefan who will use it to bludgeon him repeatedly whenever the need arises, like every conflict, Stefan would be all, "Well at least I never killed Elena." Even though he technically did lol. But I can see where that's going to be annoying in that regard, that will never stop being the thing that people throw around. And Stefan is good on throwing out some random low blow in the midst of arguments with Damon, plenty of guilt trips to get him to go along with whatever his current plan/objective is. Yup...I really hate the Defan dynamic. Until Stefan realizes he'd be up s*** creek without a paddle with Damon gone he'll never get it. It seemed like he ALMOST understood that when Damon died but then he came back and it all went back to the way it was. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 0:48:57 GMT -5
Even though he technically did lol. But I can see where that's going to be annoying in that regard, that will never stop being the thing that people throw around. And Stefan is good on throwing out some random low blow in the midst of arguments with Damon, plenty of guilt trips to get him to go along with whatever his current plan/objective is. Yup...I really hate the Defan dynamic. Until Stefan realizes he'd be up s*** creek without a paddle with Damon gone he'll never get it. It seemed like he ALMOST understood that when Damon died but then he came back and it all went back to the way it was. Retcons is the biggest factor of how horribly this is written along with the same repetitive arcs that seem to happen every season. I wonder what it's like being a writer brainstorming at the table. 'Hey we could have Damon go off the rails while Stefan tries to knock some sense into him!' 'Yeah that sounds like something we've never done before!' I do like the theory of the phoenix stone being the opposite of what the truth really is. Especially where Stefan is concerned. I want to hope that's where this is headed and I'll probably set my expectations too high for this very thing and get disappointed. But it makes the most freaking sense. Obviously Stefan can't deal with Damon not being around him and the flashback shows that's been a theme since even those times. Once something unfavorable happens to Stefan he gets himself into a big depressive funk. He can't seem to function without Damon there to coddle him to make him feel better. If only Stefan didn't act like he hated Damon most of the times. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 8, 2016 8:40:01 GMT -5
Yup...I really hate the Defan dynamic. Until Stefan realizes he'd be up s*** creek without a paddle with Damon gone he'll never get it. It seemed like he ALMOST understood that when Damon died but then he came back and it all went back to the way it was. Retcons is the biggest factor of how horribly this is written along with the same repetitive arcs that seem to happen every season. I wonder what it's like being a writer brainstorming at the table. 'Hey we could have Damon go off the rails while Stefan tries to knock some sense into him!' 'Yeah that sounds like something we've never done before!' I do like the theory of the phoenix stone being the opposite of what the truth really is. Especially where Stefan is concerned. I want to hope that's where this is headed and I'll probably set my expectations too high for this very thing and get disappointed. But it makes the most freaking sense. Obviously Stefan can't deal with Damon not being around him and the flashback shows that's been a theme since even those times. Once something unfavorable happens to Stefan he gets himself into a big depressive funk. He can't seem to function without Damon there to coddle him to make him feel better. If only Stefan didn't act like he hated Damon most of the times. Well that's always been the dynamic in the Salvatore family. Damon was the scapegoat. Damon was the person that his father took out all his anger on (book Damon, too!) and yes Damon wanted it that way. That's how much he loves his brother, that he was willing to take ALL the punishment that they both deserved or sometimes neither deserved. Either way when he saw his father was brewing to beat someone he made sure that it was always himself that got it. That's where he learned the art of the smart mouth, to say just the thing that's going to set someone off. That's a throwback to the books that I'm glad they kept. That formed the dynamic, but Stefan who still idolized his father despite the fact that he was an abusive bastard, followed in his footsteps with the blaming Damon thing and Damon keeps on taking it if it means Stefan can still be OK. And there you have it...the Salvatore brothers in a nutshell, a totally unhealthy thing with Damon always getting the short end of the stick. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Feb 8, 2016 9:33:19 GMT -5
The funny thing about this is that both brothers essentially did the same thing - except in my opinion, Stefan's actions were worse. Of course we aren't supposed to see it that way because Stefan is the "hero" and the "good brother".
"Damon" was haunting Stefan in his hell, and Stefan decided to burn the person haunting him - except, no, he didn't. He decided to burn his brother's ACTUAL body. He knew what he was doing!
Damon on the other hand was also trying to burn the one haunting him - Henry. Except he thought he was getting rid of Henry not Elena. Why is it ok for Stefan to want to burn up his brother but not ok for Damon to burn up his ghostly person?
Gotta love Defan!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 8, 2016 9:44:22 GMT -5
The funny thing about this is that both brothers essentially did the same thing - except in my opinion, Stefan's actions were worse. Of course we aren't supposed to see it that way because Stefan is the "hero" and the "good brother". "Damon" was haunting Stefan in his hell, and Stefan decided to burn the person haunting him - except, no, he didn't. He decided to burn his brother's ACTUAL body. He knew what he was doing! Damon on the other hand was also trying to burn the one haunting him - Henry. Except he thought he was getting rid of Henry not Elena. Why is it ok for Stefan to want to burn up his brother but not ok for Damon to burn up his ghostly person? Gotta love Defan! Exactly! Stefan knew he was about to actually burn Damon, the real Damon. He told Caroline he had to kill him so he'd never come back again. That is WAY worse than anything Damon did to a 'ghost,' who he knew was dead already. The fact that it 'appeared' that he burned Elena thinking she was Henry doesn't change his intent and intent is the key here. Elena was nowhere in the picture of who he was burning. If he had been aware it was her, even in a hallucination I don't think he could ever have done it and that's probably why they did it the way they did...LOL Even the writers know Damon would never...even if it meant he'd burn in hell for eternity...he'd never ever hurt Elena in any way. I'm sure they had that conversation when planning this scene. It actually came out better than we had imagined because we all thought he would do it to get out of hell and we all had some issues with that being ooc for Damon. |
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5