Stefan's Human Elena Plan

[Slash]

Well, he could tell the gang and tell them not to tell anyone else/make sure Klaus doesn't find out. But with this bunch, they'd let it slip out eventually either in an argument with Klaus (Elena or Caroline) or they'd get too eager with the news.

[pixiestyx]

No, it's completely selfish of Stefan. If Elena turns human again, it means that she and all her descendants will be a personal blood bag for Klaus. For someone who supposedly respects Elena's decisions so much, he's making a huge one for her.

I know I'm probably alone in my Elena love but she is still a new vampire and adjusting. Why should her transition be the same as Caroline's? Or even Tyler who had no adjustment AT ALL.

[Slash]

Tyler's 'excuse' was the Sire bond. His own personal conflicts and such were probably overwritten by the Sire bond and he seemed content with blood cause he didn't have to change anymore which is really painful. The lesser of the 2 evils and he was fine with it. And coming from the Werewolf background, him and the others were used to it. They already deal with a heightened 'anger' so adjusting to the others is simply either easy for them cause it's retreaded ground or because of the Sire bond once again.

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I think it is very obvious from the last episode Elena does not enjoy being a vampire AND I do not think that Stefan's plan is to allow Klaus to use Elena as a blood bag entirely. I mean I know they can't kill Klaus as far as we know right now because friends will die too, but we know that this can change with a new spell so yes I get asking her would be good, but I think it is obvious if given the choice from the previous episodes it is what she would want.

[Slash]

Hey teppy

I'm actually confused about Elena but this is her usual back and forth/flip flopping. She obviously looked like she was enjoying herself at the party *UNTIL* she saw Bonnie watching her. Then I think one of the conflicting parts of her personality kicked in and she felt bad, didn't think Damon was helping her at all to cope with what she was now and that Stefan was right/she didn't enjoy it when I'd say we saw something different.

I think she needs time to kind of 'stabilize' with this whole Vampire thing but I don't think she 'hates' it, just that she hasn't come to terms with it just yet cause it shows she can deal with it with the right guidance.

I've mentioned throwing Katherine under the bus to Klaus by turning her human and for Stefan's help in completing the plan, letting Elena live a regular life but Klaus could get greedy. Hell, Elijah's plan was to keep Klaus boxed for a few generations but that would still put Elena's descendants at Klaus' feet when he was awoken cause she would have continued the bloodline of the doppelganger. So Stefan could work out a deal in Elena's benefit but it's a matter of Klaus honoring it. Then again, if Bonnie wasn't in timeout, they could use the dessication spell on Klaus again...

[Doppelgänger]

Elena just turned and is still learning what it means to be a vampire and where she wants to be AS a vampire. Elena DID enjoy herself at the party. She wasn't faking that. She only freaked out when she got judged by Bonnie's evil eye, then she acted like she didn't enjoy it when it was obvious she did.

[Slash]

And as they've made a point of recently, Caroline became a better person as a Vampire. She didn't want this either. So I say with some time to adjust, who knows what this could do for Elena. I know each is an individual story but expecting the worse out of Elena's turn when we've seen different with others is jumping the gun on Stefan's part. This 'hunting' for the ultimate weapon actually works cause it gives Elena that time to adjust and may let Stefan see that she's better for it.

[Doppelgänger]

Another point is that Elena would turn back into the doppelganger and her blood unbalances everything. Elena, as they always point out, is a compassionate person at heart. I don't see her wanting to condemn her offspring and possibly the world in the future by turning human again. She's always willing to sacrifice herself and her happiness for others so I do not think she would want to do it. Selfishly, yes, but Elena isn't supposed to be selfish.

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Hey Slash

Good points. I see what you mean about Elena flip flopping and I see in the moment that she looked to be enjoying herself and I could see how that would be interpreted as her not fully coming to terms to the whole vampire thing. I, in contrary, interpreted her response to be not a flip flop in this scenario I think she truly saw that she was turning into a person/vampire that she did not want to be. I think it will always go against Elena's character to not be regretful for hurting other people or to find joy in it. I think that is one place her and Stefan have always been very similar. ELena will (imo) always struggle with this.. This is why yes, it works for Damon and I honestly don't think he did the wrong thing in this situation. I was actually surprised by Elena's reaction. I thought it was what she wanted. I mean I know she got out of hand a little, but she didn't kill anyone and she did control herself, but the fact that when she came to terms with what she had done that she thought it was wrong, I believe will never change. I think that will always be her feeling about it. Similar to Stefan's struggle and never really being comfortable in his skin as a vampire. I think it has to do with the way they were both turned (maybe). I mean Damon wanted to be a vampire although it did not turn out how he wanted it he was prepared for the lifestyle, stefan was not. Elena expected to sacrifice herself, which she did but was doing so thinking she would not have to live the life a vampire (a life she did not want) and save a life of someone she loved dearly. That's just my thoughts, but I see being looked at differently.

[Slash]

Sound reasoning. If Elena can't get past the feeling bad/wrong about the stuff, the next logical step for her would be to 'hit the switch' which we know is a fear of Stefan's and I think he may see the writing on the wall with that. He knows how Elena is and if she does take a life (like all Vampires eventually do), she may flip it to get past the whole thing and as Stefan mentioned, he fears he may never be able to bring her back after that. We've heard the stories of others flipping the switch/not caring for decades on end and for Elena to go through that, she'll either end up damaged goods if she does switch it back on (similar to Stefan) or she'll stay like that just to avoid that part of her life again and that'll remain for an eternity. She would lose a big part of her that makes her her and not Katherine.

So I can see the reasoning for Stefan, in that light, to move ahead with the plan to turn her human ASAP without her voicing her own opinion on the matter. They've managed to keep Klaus at bay while she was human and she was able to be as 'normal' as possible and continue to look towards a future but that's all out the window if she takes a life as a Vampire and things fall apart. Stefan probably sees it as if she becomes human again, she can get the future she wants and 'we' can protect her as per usual from the threats. Granted she can handle herself well enough now as a Vampire but he seems to think dealing with Klaus with Elena as a human is the easier route than a possible 'checked out/Ripper' Elena.

[Doppelgänger]

So what, they're going to be guardians of Elena and her offspring for the rest of eternity? They've barely sc****d by thus far and in the end Elena did die, twice, actually. I think Elena should just stay a vampire and I think it should ultimately be her choice knowing all the options so she doesn't just make a kneejerk decision like always. Stefan is supposed to be all about choice so why didn't he consult her?

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Nov 4, 2012 16:07:21 GMT -5 Doppelgänger said:

So what, they're going to be guardians of Elena and her offspring for the rest of eternity? They've barely sc****d by thus far and in the end Elena did die, twice, actually. I think Elena should just stay a vampire and I think it should ultimately be her choice knowing all the options so she doesn't just make a kneejerk decision like always. Stefan is supposed to be all about choice so why didn't he consult her?

She does not need to have offspring in order to have children. I do not think it has or will be easier protecting Elena as a vampire.... I can see this whole doppleganger thing coming to play as a vampire too if she stays that way. Stefan is all about choices and he hasn't taken that away yet, but I do think Elena has made it clear that is was never her choice to be a vampire, but I get that now that she is and maybe more people would be in danger if she wasn't that Stefan should make sure that is still her wish, but she has done nothing to show that choice has changed especially with how the last episode ended.

[Slash]

Given TVD, everyone would be happy being Elena's protectors for the rest of eternity I know, it's sad.

Hopefully she realizes the benefit of her being a Vampire. Her being a Vampire takes some of the burden off others who have already put so much forward in protecting her and her becoming human again would just allow Klaus to put more Werewolves into servitude as his Hybrids and we saw how that strained Caroline & Tyler's relationship. Giving Klaus more power is probably high up on her list of things not to do given how much trouble he's given her since he's appeared (Jenna, Alaric, Jeremy, Tyler, Stefan & Damon, Abby, etc.). A lot of the trouble is because of Elena being who she is but it's a proxy with Klaus coming after her and bringing his own troubles to the gang's doorstep.

So I would hope Elena would make the 'right' decision in staying a Vampire for the sake of others, specifically her friends. She's too valuable as a human but that's more of a negative than a positive. She has to take the bad with the good, like Caroline & Tyler have done with their changes (Caroline is a better person, Tyler doesn't mind blood as it allows him control over turning).

Her wanting to human with Klaus still in the picture would just be selfish. May end up in a different era, but if you can find a permanent solution to Klaus, and since you now know about a 'cure', wait till then. Suck it up until that time and be a Vampire.

[Sweetluv4DE]

Hey Teppy!

Thanks for coming in here and answering. I just see it differently I guess. I see Stefan knowingly accepting a deal with the devil "klaus" whom we have been fighting two seasons of battles trying to keep Elena safe. He knows what klaus wants. Klaus is using the fact that he knows Stefan thinks or wants Elena to b human to manipulate him for his bigger picture. So yes Elena is human but Elena is now part of klaus's life, plan for hybrid domination etc. klaus no matter what Stefan thinks can not be stopped. One klaus is ten times stronger than him and about give times stronger than an original. Also to kill klaus is to kill them all. Protecting Elena from him is not going to happen. He knows this bc he tried several times with Damon and it failed. Others got killed. Elena may say she wants to b human but not at the hands of klaus and his master plan I'm sure. If she knew by going along with this plan she is indeed teaming up with klaus for her own enslavement I'm sure she might overlook this whole vampire thing. Also they haven't touched on how safe she feels away from klaus. How relived she must feel. Klaus told Stefan not to tell or he'd erase their memories for a reason And it wasn't bc he thought Damon or care would use it on themselves over Elena. He doesn't want Elena to have a say or a choice in the matter and if Stefan can't see that even klaus knows Elena may not choose this than something is wrong.

Let me also point out that Elena is learning. It sucks and its hard and you wanna give up when you try. But practice makes perfect. No one is an expert in anything in one day. You fail, adjust and then work out the kinks. Elena did nothing wrong at the party. She doesn't have to dirty dance with blood but this is trial and error it's going to get easier she will adjust and work out the best method for her. To give up and put everyone back at risk of klaus and his hybrid domination is silly. At this point from what they know she is safe? Why go back? Why not just help her b the best vamp she can b? Already the plan has put Jeremy in danger and klaus just needed info. I just see it as a bad idea and I do feel with all the cons whether or not she acted a certain way or if he thinks he knows what's best for her, he is teaming up with klaus whose sole purpose has been to use Elena and drain her. To go along is kinda selfish to me. He wants to write his wrongs and he wants her human for her but he also does for him and if it can do more harm than its not worth it!

[Doppelgänger]

They can't blame his deal with the devil on him being the Ripper this time either can they? But I'm sure it will also get swept under the rug with the rest of Stefan's crimes. Only Damon gets called to task on every little thing he does, like taking Elena to a dance. He didn't make her eat anyone or dance around all bloody but somehow it's his fault and he's horrible for it. Whatever...this show.

So I fully expect nothing will come out of Stefan going behind Elena's back making a deal with Klaus about HER life that also, it appears, could endanger Jeremy's life BECAUSE he made the deal with Klaus and doesn't want to kill Connor so he's going to short circuit Damon's plan. Come clean Stefan!!!