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Post by Ruby2579 on Nov 6, 2012 11:35:20 GMT -5
Well, would you expect any less from 'Princess Elena'? Caroline didn't flip a switch and you know why? She learned from her mistake. Elena can do the same. It seems stupid to say that even the best of them end up killing someone accidentally and then completely ignore the fact that all those Vampires have learned control through those mistakes. Elena needs to shut up with the whining cause she's got 3 people helping her (Stefan, Damon and Caroline; hell even Tyler can probably help or if they want, give Lexi a call via Jeremy) and Stefan needs to stop filling her with fear on the matter. It's not helping she sitting there worried about "Am I a Ripper?". It's Stefan being Stefan. Remember Damon was going to get out of the way but Stefan completely blocked him on that by locking him up and putting himself in Klaus' hands? He screwed up with Elena and now he's putting himself right back next to Klaus to 'fix' that mistake. Salvatores work best if Damon pitches an idea and has others tweak it if necessary (getting rid of necessary loss of life). Stefan coming in and saying they're not moving till he knows what's happening is quite the tout on his part when everyone else is on board. Thats the thing though, Even if Stefan wasnt worried on them killing Conner, I think he would still want to check it out. Because what he said made perfect sense. Conner has a bag full of tricks and they cant be walking right into a trap if they dont really see what they are walking into. The team is getting stronger as it is. THey have Tyler, Caroline, Now Elena and Stefan and Damon. Them working together is a squad. Thats why I say the Salvatore's work best together. Damon has the impulse attitude like lets go get this done! Stefan thinks a little more logical. THem together they work great. I just hope Stefan doesnt mess it up. Stefan is probably thinking how can we save the rest of the group and not kill conner at the same time. Not unless he confesses to Damon whats going on. I wonder if Damon would tag along to his plan.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 6, 2012 11:47:11 GMT -5
Well he knows he could tell Damon and Damon wouldn't tell anyone else so he'd be safe and probably the collaboration would be a good idea so they don't have different agendas. If he really wants to keep Connor alive he's going to have to tell Damon or Damon might just go kill him without Stefan even knowing.
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Post by Slash on Nov 6, 2012 12:06:15 GMT -5
Exactly the problem with leaving Damon out: that impulse. If Stefan doesn't fill him in, Damon will eventually get to Connor with his own plan on his own time cause Connor is becoming a problem. Damon isn't going to sit on the side and let Connor have his fun and if Stefan doesn't fill in Damon, he'll start catching on that something is up with Stefan interjecting in all the plans involving Connor.
And Connor's bag of tricks lasted him an episode and that was after being as reckless as possible (shooting in a church). He got caught, lured in by Jeremy who he trusted and was only saved by Klaus.
And the gang is growing in power (currently Bonnie is out of the picture) but they really do need to coordinate more, not just on these per case situations. They need to work more together so they can all get a feel of what roles each one should play in a situation and what each others' strengths and weaknesses. For all the crap they've been through, you'd think they'd be working closer with one another and be able to put a lot of the BS they argue and fight over behind them.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 6, 2012 12:27:40 GMT -5
Oh heck no! They prefer the controlled chaos approach. Really if it weren't for Damon knocking their heads together so he can spark some brain activity and get them onboard with his plans, they'd all be dead now.
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Post by auroracat on Jan 18, 2013 15:37:38 GMT -5
First post here - so hi everyone! The following is my opinion...
Human Stefan and human Elena have many similar personality traits in the self-sacrifing department. Stefan knows that Elena doesn't want to be a vampire and he is also feeling the guilt of not saving her before Matt, despite the fact that it was following her wishes.
As a vampire Elena is becoming a person that she wouldn't like very much and killing a person could very well cause her to flip the switch or at the very least be wracked with guilt (the way Stefan is) and he doesn't want this for her.
So I think his trying to find a cure is primarily about helping Elena and secondarily about himself and their relationship. Aside from Klaus' threats - I think he doesn't tell her (and Damon, etc.) because he wants to find out just what this "cure" is and if it will even work. Doesn't want to get her hopes up if it won't work out.
As for the whole human blood bag issue - don't think that is entering into the equation too much right now. There are a lot of things that could be done to deal with that if the cure even works. A spell, steaking Klaus and boxing him up, desicatting him again, etc...
So basically I see Stefan wanting to find the cure for Elena as a reflection of his love for her and trying to follow her wishes of not ever wanting to be a vampire.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 15:53:59 GMT -5
First post here - so hi everyone! The following is my opinion... Human Stefan and human Elena have many similar personality traits in the self-sacrifing department. Stefan knows that Elena doesn't want to be a vampire and he is also feeling the guilt of not saving her before Matt, despite the fact that it was following her wishes. As a vampire Elena is becoming a person that she wouldn't like very much and killing a person could very well cause her to flip the switch or at the very least be wracked with guilt (the way Stefan is) and he doesn't want this for her. So I think his trying to find a cure is primarily about helping Elena and secondarily about himself and their relationship. Aside from Klaus' threats - I think he doesn't tell her (and Damon, etc.) because he wants to find out just what this "cure" is and if it will even work. Doesn't want to get her hopes up if it won't work out. As for the whole human blood bag issue - don't think that is entering into the equation too much right now. There are a lot of things that could be done to deal with that if the cure even works. A spell, steaking Klaus and boxing him up, desicatting him again, etc... So basically I see Stefan wanting to find the cure for Elena as a reflection of his love for her and trying to follow her wishes of not ever wanting to be a vampire. I agree like i said in another thread the only mistake stefan did was not tell her right away about it to see her take on it. but besides that he did it because he wanted to help the woman he loved it wasn't because he wanted to fix her
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 15:54:17 GMT -5
btw WELCOME!!!
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Post by auroracat on Jan 18, 2013 16:02:26 GMT -5
Yes, very true. We know from the end of season 2 that Stefan has thought about Elena being a vampire and them being together forever - this was before he knew about a possible cure. His choice would be for them to be together forever but he loves Elena too much to ask this of her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 17:14:31 GMT -5
"Elena is sired to Damon which means I need to find the cure now more than ever."
Stefan says that to Klaus in 4x09. I'm not saying that he's looking for the cure for solely that reason but ever since he found out about the sire bond he seems more determined to get the cure.
In 4x07 we have Elena admit to Stefan she doesn't want the cure if it means putting Jeremy through the hunter thing and stuff. Stefan says he's the only way to 'fix' all this so he uses the word first and that's when Elena says the you mean fix me line.
This indicates that Elena doesn't want the cure but we still have Stefan gung ho on getting it despite that fact.
Again I don't doubt that he's also doing it since Elena never wanted to be a vampire in the first place but I won't turn a blind eye to those conversations he has with Klaus and Caroline about the sire bond.
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Post by auroracat on Jan 18, 2013 17:22:54 GMT -5
Yes, there is definitely some self interest driving Stefan's search for the cure however, he also knows that Elena values choice and other people respecting her choices. So wanting to rid her of the sire bond is also about making sure that Elena has a choice in her own emotions (even if she chooses Damon).
Equally one has to consider the conversations and statements from Caroline and Klaus about Stefan and Elena's love. And one can go back to Lexi and Matt on this subject as well.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 18, 2013 19:31:48 GMT -5
Yes, there is definitely some self interest driving Stefan's search for the cure however, he also knows that Elena values choice and other people respecting her choices. So wanting to rid her of the sire bond is also about making sure that Elena has a choice in her own emotions (even if she chooses Damon). Equally one has to consider the conversations and statements from Caroline and Klaus about Stefan and Elena's love. And one can go back to Lexi and Matt on this subject as well. If all they have seen is SE together than what else can they base their opinions on?? They all think they are EPIC and great because hell they haven't seen the two of them apart and Elena happy with someone else. Let DE have a Chance and lets see what people say about them. You cant throw out well this person said that and this person said that about SE in defense to DE when DE just became a darn couple. Of course they are going to say that... It's what they see in front of them. It's the actions they see at that moment. But it's not like DE had a chance before SE and they are like oh no SE is the perfect epic love not DE. You cant even bring this up yet because no one has seen DE yet be together like SE. I mean Elena just said I love you to Damon.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 19:59:17 GMT -5
Yes, there is definitely some self interest driving Stefan's search for the cure however, he also knows that Elena values choice and other people respecting her choices. So wanting to rid her of the sire bond is also about making sure that Elena has a choice in her own emotions (even if she chooses Damon). Equally one has to consider the conversations and statements from Caroline and Klaus about Stefan and Elena's love. And one can go back to Lexi and Matt on this subject as well. Those are opinions. They are not facts. If we're talking about Stefan's reasoning then looking at what he said and did is in order. His friends thinking SE is awesome is just an opinion and has no bearing on anything. Most times people on the outside do not see the problems within a relationship and their opinions mean nothing. It's what the two parties involved think and feel that matters.
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