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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 28, 2013 13:38:26 GMT -5
Ugh that grates on my nerves!!!!! He was so SMUG too!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 28, 2013 13:42:17 GMT -5
Stefan and smug....damn he's good at it, I'll give him that.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 28, 2013 22:48:06 GMT -5
I'm wondering how many times Stefan has to use this sort of emotionally abusive language that makes Elena and their relationship seem to be not worth his time before she gets it...hopefully his last statement about not being in love with her was enough. I'm glad she walked away from him.  After he tried to kill her on Wickery Bridge. This is the face of happiness?   Even Nina saw Stefan's behavior as emotionally abusive toward Elena: “There’s almost a Rihanna-like abuse twist with Stefan in the episode,” she tells us. “It has nothing to do with that physically, but emotionally it feels like Elena is abused.” And this was from the 20's episode... There have been so many incidents since season 3 started in which Stefan was absolutely horrible to her. Why would anyone question why she fell out of love with him? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 28, 2013 23:27:56 GMT -5
On that note, I'm hoping that this is what comes out of it, elena wakes up and really smells the coffee when it comes to who Stefan is:
Tumblr: feedingfires
i truly love elena with all my heart and can’t stand to see her suffer… but i did cheer a little when stefan said “you don’t know what i look like when i’m not in love with you”.
because the one thing that i cannot stand about elena is how she is so willing to paint stefan as a saint even when faced with insurmountable proof to the contrary. “you’re acting out, this isn’t you”. uh, yeah, elena, this is EXACTLY stefan. he’s a vampire and a ripper and just as selfish and manipulative as everyone else. every time he does something you don’t approve of, it’s because he’s “not himself” or “under the influence of blood” or “compelled” or “has his humanity switch off”.
at what point does she realize that she’s making excuses for him? she’s been doing it since they first met. “he lied to me to protect me”. “he let me die to respect my choices”. “he’s trying to fix me because he loves me”. why can’t she just see that he’s just as rotten as the supposed villains she fights against? why can’t she be allowed to be infuriated with him, writers?
I would answer this post by saying, because then she would have to admit the truth to herself and hopefully that is what happens now.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 29, 2013 1:21:57 GMT -5
Elena and Stefan can never go back to where they were. She slept with Damon he slept with bekah but even bigger than that those two people died when Elena died. Stefan is not the guy from season 1 and 2. I wont even say season 3 because Stefan began to change even then. Elena is not the same girl who died and even if they make her human again you cant go back. She is forever changed. Yes she has her humanity back but you cant erase the person you became. So what now?
I've been thinking of ways that they would bring SE together and both have fell out of love. I mean Stefan could be being dramatic but somewhere along the way he began to fall out of love with her. He too quickly excepted their circumstance. I mean he slept with Bekah and chose to be mean to Elena. He didn't act hurt but for like one epsiode where he threw a chess table. We never saw him sad or even brooding in his diary. This is the love of his life and he loses her and he throws a chess table, tells her he doesn't want to hear it, asks for his memories to be erased, walks away, teams up with Beks, says he's done with Elena, is super mean to Elena, tells her he doesn't love her and then sleeps with Beks.
I know you go through the motions but DAMN! He went like hyper mega speed through them to the point of being over it and had "she doesn't love me anymore" sex with another girl which he has history with. This is why I know Stefan started falling out of love with Elena since he broke it off. Sure he hoped he could turn her human again but vampire Elena he was falling out of love with everyday. Little by little.
So where do they go. How can SE ever become SE again. Literally these two will have to fall back in love with the people they are now. Stefan is not that Stefan and Elena is not that Elena. Will they even like or accept the people they are now? Can they even have a relationship without bringing up the past and constantly being disappointed because it's not Ferris wheels and comets? Can SE even get back there?
DE love each other now. They accepted the people they were and are now. Their history is what brought them to this place not what will haunt them if they have a future relationship. SE will always have the relationship of seasons past haunting them telling them what they did have, who they were and who they are never going to be.
If I was an SE I would be questioning all this. Especially since the other half of my ship admitted whether true, halfway true or a big lie that he doesn't love her and slept with someone else. You have one person who has moved on but you hope the other somewhat doesn't and from the looks of how Stefan is acting and how he has been retaliating I'm afraid maybe Stefan might be past going back. So where do they go? Where is the hope? I know they will say they love each other, it's pure, epic etc etc but even so they aren't the same people. Yes maybe their love was (I don't agree) but let's play devils advocate their love was EPIC. But these two cant go back to that "epic" place again. Not like the way before. It's been tainted. Could they fall back in love? Sure. But they'd have to learn to love the new people they are without longing for the past. Nostalgia!!
It's a legit question to ask an SE. I mean how can they or do they even expect to have their SE Epic relationship back at this point or are they coming to terms that these two people are moving on, are different and if they ever fall back in love they have to love who they are now? I mean are they even coming to terms with this yet? I'm really curious to know.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 29, 2013 1:28:56 GMT -5
PS: lol
I could see if there is a SIRE BOND and all season Stefan stood by the fact that she loved him and even when he found out about Damon he was there. Maybe he was sad and upset but he didn't act out he stayed true to the belief their love would conquer all and was all about curing his beloved. If Stefan never asked to get his memories erased, or told Elena he didn't love her. But even bigger had Stefan never slept with Bekah at the end of season four and the SB was broken I could see SE making up. You have one side of your ship fighting for the other no matter how much it hurt he fought because he truly believed the SB and vamperisim was making her decisions and choices cloudy.
SE could maybe work then. But now both their people in their ship have said "I'm not in love" and have slept with other people that they care about one way or another I cant see it. I just cant.
Maybe this would have been easier had they not already had a relationship. Damon could stand by idly because he was hoping to have her. Wanting her. Stefan and Elena had a relationship. History was made and now it's been tainted big time.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 29, 2013 8:31:14 GMT -5
I agree with you. It's illogical to believe they can just start over like nothing happened, but then again this is SE.  The whole operating function of SE was to deny deny deny and shove it under the rug. Only I don't think that Elena is as willing to do that anymore. We did see her sort of do the same thing by saying, "This isn't you," when he was saying what he did. She has yet to realize she doesn't know who he even is, I guess, but hopefully his reaction will help that along. Then there's the very great possibility that Elena will not want to go back to it even if they could put in the hard work of patching SE back together again. She has found love again with Damon, someone who already accepts her just the way she is and loves her with all his heart. To go back to Stefan would mean risking that and I don't think she is going to do that. Sire bond or not, she loves Damon now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 10:00:13 GMT -5
@sweet and Doppel With everything that's happened between Stefan and Elena up to this point I hope the writers never put them together again. Like Sweet said if the writers were actually making Stefan not lash out and act like a jerk and say things to hurt Elena on purpose and he was staying by her side, helping Jeremy, her and Damon despite the fact that she wasn't in love with her anymore and just being there for her, like Damon's been doing when she was with Stefan, a sort of reverse situation between the brothers, then I could see SE being an option again.
But they're not doing that. SE is over for good. They'll have the occasional scene to please its fans but I doubt the writers would ever go there again. They can't be that blind to how they're making Stefan come off. A room full of writers and editors, someone had to be like hey Stefan is coming off as a jerk here. I think Stefan's characterization is intentional now as there's no way anyone would make the 'hero' of their story come off so unlikeable unless he was never the 'hero' to begin with.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 29, 2013 10:05:23 GMT -5
I think that's the whole thing. We have slowly seen a reversal in what we believed to be the truth, that Stefan was the hero and Damon was the villian at the beginning of the show and anti-hero for the bulk of it. I think it was intentional that we would see them change and reverse roles and also intentional that the characters on the show would be stuck in their perceptions of who the brothers are and unable to see the changes just like in real life. Have you ever been labeled a certain way and no matter what you do, people always see you that way? Well I have, so if I were to write a story to show how wrong that is, I would write one just like this.
The thing about Damon, too, is that he isn't changing into a new person. He's becoming the person he used to be before life delt him a series of cruel blows.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 29, 2013 10:10:12 GMT -5
If Stefan was really the hero he would do just like you said, he would stoically stand by Elena through this sire bond thing, hoping it was the reason for her changed feelings and that she'd come back to him at the end of it, but he isn't standing by her. He failed her if it turns out to be true (which I personally don't believe) but if it did he did not stand by her through it all. He gave up and he walked away. There's nothing heroic I can find in that. I can't even be ticked off at Stefan's goodness through it, because he is showing none. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 11:06:35 GMT -5
Yeah and Sweet's mentioned this a lot, he either believes the sire bond is the reason for her feelings or not. If it's something supernatural causing her to act like this then he can't act like its her fault and blame and lash out at her. Like you said if the sire bond does prove to be the cause of her feelings and she's cured of it, I doubt Elena would go running in his arms anyways by the way he treated her. She's never going to forget what he said about wanting to erase every moment they've spent together. Then he goes and sleeps with Bekah. Does Stefan really think Elena is going to come back to him when he gets this cure?  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 29, 2013 11:25:37 GMT -5
I think they could forgive each other sleeping with someone, even if it would be hard, but you can't take back the things you say and the way it made people feel. If I were Elena I'd feel like I didn't matter to him at all. The broken doll analogy has alot of meanings. One, a doll is an object, not a person. He made her feel less than a person. Two, she believed he thought she was broken, not right, incomplete or in some way no longer useful to him. Why he didn't hear her and try to explain that he didn't think of her that way, still stumps me because he said nothing in response at all.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 29, 2013 12:41:00 GMT -5
See I think him sleeping with Beks means a lot! It's not the act it's the fact that he ran to do it... tit for tat. he didn't have to go there but the intention of doing it is what will always bother Elena when it's all said and done. I don't wanna hear he was hurt! Being hurt makes you cry in a corner not go have crazy sex with your ex girlfriend who just happened to be the one person who started all this crap by killing your girl which made you choose Matt, turned Elena with Damon's blood. If he slept with Care I might understand. Not on her side at the moment but I'd understand more with Stefan. She was there for him, he was hurt and when emotions take over sometimes you just get caught in them. But Beks. Not so much. There is no redemption none at all for him for sleeping with Bekah.
So the intention and his choice of girl will always haunt Elena. Like I said before.... I'd rather my man slept with my sister than the person who killed me!
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 30, 2013 3:31:14 GMT -5
Saw thus on tumblr .... Things that make you go hmmm!
LOL at the fact that Stefan said in Season 1 Episode 10, “My room holds every memory that I ever thought was important enough to hold on to” and he still had Katherines picture from 150 years ago. But two days after breaking up with Elena, he wants to have her completely wiped from his memory.
Just goes to show how epic they really were
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 30, 2013 8:30:07 GMT -5
Elena was a bandaid for his pain, the same as he was a bandaid for hers. Like I posted in another thread just now, the first words out of his mouth on the show were:
Stefan Salvatore: I had a plan. I wanted to change who I was. Create a life as someone new. Someone without the past.
Elena could have been anyone. The fact she looked like Katherine helped along his desire to make her fit into his 'new life,' a human girl to facilitate the illusion that he was still human. But it was never Elena that prompted him to get together with her, it was himself and what he wanted. Elena was a prop to his 'new life.' She's not far off the mark to feel like a 'doll.'
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5