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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 14, 2014 1:22:41 GMT -5
But, it also means they will have a major storyline, one that will continue even after they return, whenever that is. I don't actually think it means that at all. The mystery doesn't necessarily have to mean it's something big and given what we have been told I think it won't be big at all, which is why I don't think people should be getting their hopes up that it will be. The storyline of Delena will continue on...the sheer force of it, looking at how Elena is dealing with it all, demands that. Bonnie has always been a minor character in the show and will likely remain so. The only difference we have now is that Damon has been 'stuck' with Bonnie keeping him from Elena, which we've already seen of the promos is the big story, not what happened with Damon and Bonnie in the meantime.
That is, unless there is some 'time warp' or other nonsense in which Bamon has forged some kind of relationship that lasted several years where Elena thought it was only months or some such other bulls*** that they could pull (Yes I acknowledge the writers could pull this crap...heck they did it in LOST and it was a complete ripoff as far as I was concerned but that's poetic license for ya! There's no accounting for that! But it would ruin the series as far as I am concerned just like LOST was ruined for me at the end.) There's no shortage of crappy endings for TV shows but I'm going to hope this one ends well.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Sept 14, 2014 1:40:08 GMT -5
But, it also means they will have a major storyline, one that will continue even after they return, whenever that is. I don't actually think it means that at all. The mystery doesn't necessarily have to mean it's something big and given what we have been told I think it won't be big at all, which is why I don't think people should be getting their hopes up that it will be. The storyline of Delena will continue on...the sheer force of it, looking at how Elena is dealing with it all, demands that. Bonnie has always been a minor character in the show and will likely remain so. The only difference we have now is that Damon has been 'stuck' with Bonnie keeping him from Elena, which we've already seen of the promos is the big story, not what happened with Damon and Bonnie in the meantime. Bonnie has never ever been a minor character on the show, she has always been the one everyone including Damon turns to to get them out of trouble. Bonnie has always been the one who puts her life on the line every single time to save Elena and the gang with no thought for herself, even when it came at a great price to herself and family Everyone looked to Bonnie. That is not a minor character, that is just something I always see from people in my own fandom. Bonnie was such a major part of the group, Damon stayed behind to look for her, when he could have gone back with Elena, he refused to return from the island until he had found her. They may be playing up the factor that Damon and Bonnie are eager to get back, but it is what happens to them during that period, which is going to change the dynamic of the group when they do return. Like JPlec stated S6, is a reboot, a reset, and it isn't just about where Damon and Bonnie are that is secret, it is how their relationship is going to change to the point they continue to bond long after they return, whenever that is...... Damon and Bonnie have a storyline this season and it isn't going to end when they return. |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Sept 14, 2014 1:52:25 GMT -5
Kat portraying Bonnie has given her the fourth largest fanbase out of all the gang, Ian is 1st with over 5M fanbase, Nina is 2nd with 4.8M fanbase, Paul is 3rd with over 3M fanbase and Kat is 4th with almost a 2M fanbase, she even has a bigger fanbase then JOMO who plays Klaus...TO That is how not irrelevent or minor her fans think she is......
And Ian, JPlec, JRam, Kevin Williamson, Vampire Diaries, CD to name a few, all know this because they all follow her, and JPlec even congratulated her when she reached 1M followers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 6:51:22 GMT -5
Acknowledging that Bonnie is a minor character does not imply or equal that she's done absolutely nothing or has not helped in anyway. Of course she's been a help to Elena and the gang. But Bonnie is a secondary character along with Caroline, Tyler, Matt, Jeremy etc.
Major characters do not just 'disappear' conveniently for a certain number of epieodes. Also anyone who's been browsing forums, social media and read about how people feel of Bonnie's character in the show should be aware of how UPSET the Bonnie fandom is. Why? Because Bonnie does not get treated as an actual character to them. Why do you think a majority of Bonnie fans boycott or pull the racist carsd on JP?
Sure Bonnie gets to save the day countless times, but she comes off as a plot device in that manner. Damon/Stefan usually only calling her to help with another spell to save the day or Elena. Bonnie makes a sacrifice and characters move on to the next episode. Why do you think Elena gets so much hate around Bonnie fans?
Bonnie is always treated as the witch and not as a human character. She didn't even really have a 'house' like the other characters that first season or two. She gets shafted in storylines, disappearing every so episode being a habit (that could also do with Kat in general with her music/scheduling though). Fans complained that while Caroline and Elena got Damon, Stefan, Matt, Klaus, Tyler etc. Bonnie was only allowed Jeremy's brother and not allowed 'other main characters' as they put it and before that only had boyfriends who only turned out to be evil and using her.
Though even the Beremy relationship skipped around. One episode Bonnie not being sure of being with Jeremy (during Luka saga) and the next they're in the background of Mystic Grill laughing together (from Matt's point of view). If Bonnie was a major character, her treatment would stand out even more beside Elena, Damon, and Stefan. Though Caroline comes off more as a major character cause we do see more history and involvement with Caroline and those three.
I won't go on more since this is off topic and not the thread for it, but Beangelic you need to stop assuming and lumping the whole 'my fandom this and that'. It has nothing to do with being a 'Delena fan', it's viewing the show for what it is and taking into account obvious storytelling and character progression. I'm not a big, big fan of Bonnie, but I see how she's treated in comparison to what a real major character is.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 14, 2014 8:31:11 GMT -5
Acknowledging that Bonnie is a minor character does not imply or equal that she's done absolutely nothing or has not helped in anyway. Of course she's been a help to Elena and the gang. But Bonnie is a secondary character along with Caroline, Tyler, Matt, Jeremy etc. Major characters do not just 'disappear' conveniently for a certain number of epieodes. Also anyone who's been browsing forums, social media and read about how people feel of Bonnie's character in the show should be aware of how UPSET the Bonnie fandom is. Why? Because Bonnie does not get treated as an actual character to them. Why do you think a majority of Bonnie fans boycott or pull the racist carsd on JP? Sure Bonnie gets to save the day countless times, but she comes off as a plot device in that manner. Damon/Stefan usually only calling her to help with another spell to save the day or Elena. Bonnie makes a sacrifice and characters move on to the next episode. Why do you think Elena gets so much hate around Bonnie fans? Bonnie is always treated as the witch and not as a human character. She didn't even really have a 'house' like the other characters that first season or two. She gets shafted in storylines, disappearing every so episode being a habit (that could also do with Kat in general with her music/scheduling though). Fans complained that while Caroline and Elena got Damon, Stefan, Matt, Klaus, Tyler etc. Bonnie was only allowed Jeremy's brother and not allowed 'other main characters' as they put it and before that only had boyfriends who only turned out to be evil and using her. Though even the Beremy relationship skipped around. One episode Bonnie not being sure of being with Jeremy (during Luka saga) and the next they're in the background of Mystic Grill laughing together (from Matt's point of view). If Bonnie was a major character, her treatment would stand out even more beside Elena, Damon, and Stefan. Though Caroline comes off more as a major character cause we do see more history and involvement with Caroline and those three. I won't go on more since this is off topic and not the thread for it, but Beangelic you need to stop assuming and lumping the whole 'my fandom this and that'. It has nothing to do with being a 'Delena fan', it's viewing the show for what it is and taking into account obvious storytelling and character progression. I'm not a big, big fan of Bonnie, but I see how she's treated in comparison to what a real major character is. Agree with all of this. All you have to do is look at her actual screen time to determine that she is a minor character. That doesn't mean she's not invaluable to the show. Unfortunately, based upon how much time off Ian has had lately, it looks like Damon will be relegated to minor character status as well during the time he is with her, rather than Kat getting more screen time, so I hope it doesn't last long. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 14, 2014 8:43:13 GMT -5
Kat portraying Bonnie has given her the fourth largest fanbase out of all the gang, Ian is 1st with over 5M fanbase, Nina is 2nd with 4.8M fanbase, Paul is 3rd with over 3M fanbase and Kat is 4th with almost a 2M fanbase, she even has a bigger fanbase then JOMO who plays Klaus...TO That is how not irrelevent or minor her fans think she is...... And Ian, JPlec, JRam, Kevin Williamson, Vampire Diaries, CD to name a few, all know this because they all follow her, and JPlec even congratulated her when she reached 1M followers. I assume you are talking about twitter followers? I don't think that proves how many fans her character has. She also has fans of her music as well that follow her. When they do polls on favorite character, Bonnie is not so popular and Klaus most definitely beats her out. From what I've seen Damon, Elena, Stefan, Klaus, Caroline, Katherine, Alaric, Elijah and even Enzo all have more fans than Bonnie in most polls. She's really just not as popular as you make it sound. She's a minor character and not even a very popular one, but more popular than say Jeremy and Matt.
Examples:
www.spoilertv.com/2013/02/usd-poll-who-is-your-favorite-character.html
www.quibblo.com/quiz/foBXXv8/Which-character-of-the-vampire-diaries-is-your-favouritetv
www.tv.com/shows/the-vampire-diaries/community/post/who-is-your-favorite-character-in-the-vampire-diaries-1392551698/
As for me, I like Bonnie more now than I ever have because she's a lot less judgy than in the past, so for me, Bonnie has improved greatly as a character recently, but I'd still put her about where everyone else did, closer to the bottom than the top of my favorites. I like her better than Caroline now though, which is sad as I used to like Caroline a lot but her taking over the helm of 'judgy' and biggest Stelena fan as well as tattling on Elena to Stefan at every turn to win herself brownie points with Stefan has changed all that.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 14, 2014 21:20:03 GMT -5
Softening the blow...
TVDVEGAS @azianlovatic · 2h
Kat says for bamon fans she can't say we will be satisfied but the seasons not over yet and there are some great Damon Bonnie scenes
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Post by missmystic on Sept 15, 2014 9:36:43 GMT -5
Kat portraying Bonnie has given her the fourth largest fanbase out of all the gang, Ian is 1st with over 5M fanbase, Nina is 2nd with 4.8M fanbase, Paul is 3rd with over 3M fanbase and Kat is 4th with almost a 2M fanbase, she even has a bigger fanbase then JOMO who plays Klaus...TO That is how not irrelevent or minor her fans think she is...... And Ian, JPlec, JRam, Kevin Williamson, Vampire Diaries, CD to name a few, all know this because they all follow her, and JPlec even congratulated her when she reached 1M followers. I assume you are talking about twitter followers? I don't think that proves how many fans her character has. She also has fans of her music as well that follow her. When they do polls on favorite character, Bonnie is not so popular and Klaus most definitely beats her out. From what I've seen Damon, Elena, Stefan, Klaus, Caroline, Katherine, Alaric, Elijah and even Enzo all have more fans than Bonnie in most polls. She's really just not as popular as you make it sound. She's a minor character and not even a very popular one, but more popular than say Jeremy and Matt.
Examples:
www.spoilertv.com/2013/02/usd-poll-who-is-your-favorite-character.html
www.quibblo.com/quiz/foBXXv8/Which-character-of-the-vampire-diaries-is-your-favouritetv
www.tv.com/shows/the-vampire-diaries/community/post/who-is-your-favorite-character-in-the-vampire-diaries-1392551698/
As for me, I like Bonnie more now than I ever have because she's a lot less judgy than in the past, so for me, Bonnie has improved greatly as a character recently, but I'd still put her about where everyone else did, closer to the bottom than the top of my favorites. I like her better than Caroline now though, which is sad as I used to like Caroline a lot but her taking over the helm of 'judgy' and biggest Stelena fan as well as tattling on Elena to Stefan at every turn to win herself brownie points with Stefan has changed all that.
Yeah, I honestly have to say that the way the show is written, there are only 3 core characters, Damon, Elena, and Stefan. The other "main" characters are important, but as AnbuPrincess said, I don't think you can say a character is vital if they can be gone for episodes at a time and have it not impact the plot much. In all honesty I was actually completely bored by Bonnie all last season. Once she was no longer a witch, her character had practically no purpose. That to me is proof that her character doesn't have a lot of draw just on its own merits. I don't feel invested in her relationships, I can't remember any great lines of hers, I can't think of a moment where she impacted anything that mattered to me without it having to do with magic. I mean, how many of us have been hoping that when Bonnie comes back to the land of the living that she becomes a witch again? I know that I sure do, and that’s because I don't feel like her character holds much interest without her usefulness as a witch. Anyways, that’s my personal opinion. |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Sept 15, 2014 23:40:46 GMT -5
Softening the blow... TVDVEGAS @azianlovatic · 2h Kat says for bamon fans she can't say we will be satisfied but the seasons not over yet and there are some great Damon Bonnie scenes The context in which I suspect Kat is coming from is that she is nervous that the Bamon fans will not be satisfied with the end results of what has been filmed so far. She has nothing to worry about, they have been waiting a long time for Bamon. What she then goes on to state about there being more Bamon scenes is in keeping with some of the very earliest spoilers that stated that, there is going to be more Bamon interaction even after they return, and that the change in the Bamon dynamic would also affect the group dynamics as well, plus there are going to be flashbacks that will run the course of S6 of just what took place during the time jump. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 15, 2014 23:52:18 GMT -5
Softening the blow... TVDVEGAS @azianlovatic · 2h Kat says for bamon fans she can't say we will be satisfied but the seasons not over yet and there are some great Damon Bonnie scenes The context in which I suspect Kat is coming from is that she is nervous that the Bamon fans will not be satisfied with the end results of what has been filmed so far. She has nothing to worry about, they have been waiting a long time for Bamon. What she then goes on to state about there being more Bamon scenes is in keeping with some of the very earliest spoilers that stated that, there is going to be more Bamon interaction even after they return, and that the change in the Bamon dynamic would also affect the group dynamics as well, plus there are going to be flashbacks that will run the course of S6 of just what took place during the time jump. There's not going to be a Bamon romance in the near future. To even think so is total tinhat delusion. There is no way, given where we are in the story that's even a remote possibility except in some alternate universe, which Bamon has always been in tbh so that's the only universe it could possibly happen in and if it did there would be fans departing the show in droves. I think Kat is trying to let fans know that they are going way afar of any possibilities with the notion that Bamon as a romantic couple is going to happen any time soon. People are getting glee happy that they are even going to be in the same room together. We've been told there will be some frenemy banter and for me that's an enjoyable and acceptable thing within the realms of where we are in their relationship. Honestly, you can't tell me that you believe otherwise. It makes no sense at all in the current storyline. I'm not saying that Bamon could never happen in the future. It just would make no sense at all if it were to happen now. |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Sept 16, 2014 0:14:59 GMT -5
Again, I'm going to disagree with you, twitter really is the key as to who is popular on the world wide stage. The TVD forums do not give the true dynamics because they do not have memberships in the millions, and the most members i've seen on any one forum doesnt even exceed a 1000 members. And across the board only a handful of members post on a regular basis. This forum has 335 memebers but only 5 out of the total membership post on a regualar basis, and another 3 or 4 on a non semi basis, everyone else doesn't bother, and this is the same on all the other forums but with a slight increase in regards to posters, but none of the TVD boards ever exceed more then 20 regular posters in all fan board dynamics (ie character favourites, ships, etc)
Kat Graham forums already exceed 200,000 posts, and the majority to do with her character. And yes they do complain, but in regards to how she is treated, in regards to almost being used to solve all the gangs problems, etc.
That is why CW looks more towards the social media stats, because it has a better and more far reaching dynamics. Kat before she was on TVD had already been in a lot of high profile music videos and films, but she barely had 100k followers on twitter, so every single follower she has today comes from her stinct as Bonnie on CW's TVD's and what has happened is they now take a keen interest in all the other stuff she was doing before she got here, so it is the other way around. Does it even make sense to you for the least popular character, a minor character at that (your words not mine) to be the fourth most popular behind the three main leads, she is only 99k short of 2M followers, which I'm sure she will reach before Christmas.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 16, 2014 0:22:19 GMT -5
Oh c'mon. You can't go to some Kat Graham forum and get any kind of unbiased info. Go look at the polls out there. You've been brainwashed by Bamons. I say this only because I know you prefer DE, so I'm being frank here. There are NOT a lot of Bamon fans no matter where you go other than on Bamon forums and the majority of them have been living in an alternate universe that does not exist in the TV series we watch. Anyone can throw 'facts' at people that are not supported in any way and that's what they do when they try to claim Bonnie is just so popular and everyone wants her together with Damon. She isn't and no, people don't want that! It is a very small fanbase that does and it isn't even practical in the real world of the series.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 16, 2014 0:26:50 GMT -5
You're basically visiting a Bamon fansite and thinking that's an example of what's out there. I'm pretty active on Twitter and all I see are hundreds of DE fans. The polls tell us even more who people want to see and it isn't Bamon. DE wins awards. Bamon isn't even nominated as a potential couple. What corner of the internet are you actually finding all these Bamons in? Don't really answer that. I'm just saying, just becaue you found a site that Bamons frequent doesn't mean they are a huge force in the fandom. There are many MANY different sites with DE fans. It's more split up over a lot of sites and even if it wasn't, the polls and the awards should tell you who the fans favor.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Sept 16, 2014 0:38:36 GMT -5
I just don't want you to get your hopes up or be embarrassed or disappointed when Bamon fizzles into nothing but annoyed banter at the start of the season. I think I read that Bamon will be the comic relief? That doesn't sound very romantic to me! Also I think Kat already pretty much told you all to not get too excited that anything was going to happen Bamon wise in the near future. There's no telling about the far future. We know Ian wants nothing to do with Nina anymore so who knows about that, but where we are now...nope!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:56:26 GMT -5
I just don't want you to get your hopes up or be embarrassed or disappointed when Bamon fizzles into nothing but annoyed banter at the start of the season. I think I read that Bamon will be the comic relief? That doesn't sound very romantic to me! Also I think Kat already pretty much told you all to not get too excited that anything was going to happen Bamon wise in the near future. There's no telling about the far future. We know Ian wants nothing to do with Nina anymore so who knows about that, but where we are now...nope! Yes this seems no different than the season 2 finale. We were all hyped up and expecting season 3 to be all about Delena and that it'd finally happen and everything. While it wasn't extremely bad as far as how Delena's relationship went, we certainly managed to hype ourselves up for something more than we actually got. Especially how we were all so convinced of that season 3 finale. I think we've all learned a lesson from that point onwards and how we view the show.
Kat Graham's tweet really puts things into perspective, in fact it seems that she came out to say this because she sees all the hype surrounding Bamon and people who truly believe that this will lead to some sort of romance.
On the other hand it doesn't matter how many jokes Ian, and Paul make about Bamon, it's what JP says. All of the spoilers she's brought out has indicated nothing but Damon and Elena longing for each other and wanting to get back, she doesn't talk about any struggle of feelings with Bamon or anything of the sort.
This 'singular goal' of Damon barely leaves any room for anything romantic between Bamon to happen. How can he both longing for Elena yet has somehow already moved on with Bonnie? Let's not forget that not only is Damon in love with Elena, Bonnie is also in love with Jeremy. I don't understand why some fans think these two relationships will just be dropped at the speed of sound like that.
As Doppel said, who really knows about the future storylines and what they'll do there. As of now, with the information we've gotten, it's time to just be realistic and look at things from face value and from what we've been told. There's no underlying secret that's being kept from us. It's best not to hype yourself up for something that has not been directly stated. This is something that Delena fans had to learn over the constant seasons of the 'lows' along with the 'highs'.
I think the realistic expectation for Bamon is to expect their typical 'banter' scenes with each other as the two of them do their usual butting heads as they try to find a way out from where ever they are.
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