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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 5, 2014 0:33:49 GMT -5
The Bennett witches didn't actually hate Damon, they just didn't trust him, because of some of the things that he did. Kevin Williamson explained the history between the vampires and the witches when he was talking about Bonnie at Comic Con 2010. He mentioned that the witches didn't like the vampires because all they ever did was use the witches for some evil purpose back in the day. As we saw demonstrated with Klaus when the witch that he had was making sure that he got the elements/things he required so that he could make the transition into being a full hybrid. So the Bennetts had a healthy mistrust of all vampires, which Bonnie inherited the minutes she turned 17 and came into her powers. Bonnie didn't trust vampires full-stop, she wanted her magic to be used for good purposes. We saw this example(dislike of vampires) when after she had been kept out of the loop in regards to Caroline, she discovers that she is a vampire. Bonnie was off with Caroline for a time, until she adusted to the fact that she was a vampire, so I guess it boiled down to the fact that in the end Caroline was one of her bestfriends and so she put her dislike of vampires aside.
It wouldn't be hard for Bonnie to work out which of the two Salvatore brothers was not to be trusted, so again with Stefan she decided that he could be trusted, but not Damon and that is why she gave him no quarter even when on at least two occasions he tried to put out the hand of friendship to call a truce between them, so on Damon's part he didn't hate Bonnie, and it is exactly as Elena stated in the episode she told Stefan that Damon doesn't hate Bonnie infact he kind of loves her, he even of his own accord went out of his way to say sorry to Bonnie which Damon rarely did.
The animosity is all on Bonnie's part, she helped him because of Elena, but she didn't trust him. That is why, this new storyline is so interesting, because Bonnie is going to see a different side to Damon and that is going to change everything and create this new bond/connection that will continue even after they return. However, that said it doesn't mean she is going to let Damon get away with the choices he makes, so their banter will still consist of Bonnie taking no BS from Damon, that part of their relationship will not disappear in regards to this new dynamic in their relationship.
However, in regards to the time loop, I don't think it has any connection to this strange place that Grams secured, that looks mysteriously like Mystic Falls. I'm speculating that because that date had some significance in Damon's life that rather it intruded upon whatever life they had set for themselves in this new place. Therefore, the date is why they are stuck in the time loop, it has no connection to Mystic Falls itself. But to something that took place in Damon's life, something he has to put right so they can end the loop. But it could be while Damon is re-living or re-telling the events that occured on such a day (via flashback) to Bonnie they both discover something that could lead to them actually getting back home.
And another significant factor about that date 10th May, 1994, was that there was a total eclipse. Maybe if Bonnie has reverted back to being a witch they can use magic when the eclipse occurs to get back home, such as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 11:00:20 GMT -5
What makes me think that the Bennetts hated him is all those antics in the previous seasons that used to happen to Damon, like when he needed to go in that one house for Bonnie to get spell books or whatever and the witches 'dispelling' his ring to burn in the sunlight shining in through the windows or him standing outside wondering what's going on and the witches closed the door in his face.
If they were simply mistrustful of him around Bonnie, it seemed more appropriate for them to wait for him to actually be a threat to her and then do the mind whammy force thing they did to Klaus when he kept insulting them.
Though to be honest I nearly almost forgot about the whole Bennett thing with Damon. It really hasn't been mentioned/touched up on in a while in between Bonnie losing her powers/being anchor and all the Doppelganger/traveler stuff. We also haven't seen a Bennett which in a while and now seems like the show will be focusing on/expanding the lore with Liv and Luke's coven.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 5, 2014 14:15:29 GMT -5
What makes me think that the Bennetts hated him is all those antics in the previous seasons that used to happen to Damon, like when he needed to go in that one house for Bonnie to get spell books or whatever and the witches 'dispelling' his ring to burn in the sunlight shining in through the windows or him standing outside wondering what's going on and the witches closed the door in his face. If they were simply mistrustful of him around Bonnie, it seemed more appropriate for them to wait for him to actually be a threat to her and then do the mind whammy force thing they did to Klaus when he kept insulting them. Though to be honest I nearly almost forgot about the whole Bennett thing with Damon. It really hasn't been mentioned/touched up on in a while in between Bonnie losing her powers/being anchor and all the Doppelganger/traveler stuff. We also haven't seen a Bennett which in a while and now seems like the show will be focusing on/expanding the lore with Liv and Luke's coven. When explaining about Bonnie coming into her magical powers and the dilemma Elena getting involved with two vampire brothers brought to her life, both Kevin Williamson and Julie Plec at Comic Con 2010 gave a brief outline about the history between the witches and the vampires. The witches are supposed to use their powers for good. However, whenever, they came across a vampire all they wanted from the witches was for them to use their powers in other ways, rather then what they were intended for, and the end result came with fatal consequences. Therefore, the witches resented the vampires. Emily Bennett like all the witches had no love for vampires in general, even though she was servent to one. Nonetheless, what she held against Damon was the fact that Damon freely allowed Katherine to lead him down the path, in regards to the ways of the vampire and because of this, she felt that his soul was dark. But, with Damon it really came down to the fact that he loved Katherine so much, he'd do anything so he could be with her. But, in Emily Bennett's mind this made him a bad person. And this prejudice against him was carried down through the Bennett line. However, there was one thing Emily did trust Damon with, and that was with the safety of the family line. The reason why Damon in exchange for the favour he was asking of her, agreed to keep the Bennetts safe. Damon's history with witches as a vampire, didn't endear him to the long dead Bennett clan, which was why they dealt with him in the manner they did. He was being punished for his past mis-use of witches. With Luke and Liv, they are just tying up all the loose ends of S5. But how long they will be required in the show is not yet known. Now that Bonnie is no longer the anchor and is in this AU, nothing is known whether this will cause her to regain her witch powers, so that when Damon and Bonnie return she has reverted back to being a witch. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 8, 2014 6:10:12 GMT -5
Well since the show does use astrological events for power I would suppose that the eclipse would be useful for gaining the power they would need to make a jump out of there.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 10, 2014 7:04:56 GMT -5
The Vampire Diaries Spoilers – Damon and Bonnie are Not Alone and We Know Who is With Them! And no – it’s not Katherine, sorry guys!  After getting just a glimpse of Damon and Bonnie at the end of the first episode of the sixth season of The Vampire Diaries, we did find out more about there whereabouts in the second episode that aired yesterday. And they are not only stuck in Mystic Falls reliving 10.05.1984 all over again – they are not alone! But who is the mysterious person who filled “Yellow Ledbetter” in Bonnie’s crossword? We are 99% positive it is Kai aka the new big bad of Season 6! Let us explain why… If you have already seen the extended promo for the next episode you will see that the person that is stuck with Bamon is a guy although we can’t really recognize him. But, from what we can see it definitely looks like Chris Wood, the actor who is set to play Kai. And as we previously reported, we are going to meet Kai in episode 3. Voila! But, what is he? A vampire, a witch or maybe a kitsune or a demon? One thing we know for sure – he is psychopathic villain with a dark mind who is going to stick around as both Dries and Plec seem to love writing his character! We can’t wait to meet Kai next Thursday when The Vampire Diaries returns with it’s fourth episode! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 7:40:43 GMT -5
Returns with its fourth episode? Isn't next week going to be episode 3? Or is this just a future spoiler thingy that's telling us we'll meet this Kai in the 4th episode? So not necessarily next week?
As for Kai, if that's supposed to be him in the picture, well he certainly doesn't really look as intimidating as creepy face, hooded Silas did. He looks like he's in pretty average clothes. So as far as first impressions go, he looks a bit less than ideal.
So I guess his 'dark mind' slash backstory will have to draw me in. Hopefully he's perhaps a shapeshifter or kitsune as the article tries to guess. Anything that doesn't have to do with a vampire, witch, or a combination of both as I'd like to see some new supernatural especially if this guy has been trapped in here. |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 10, 2014 8:06:09 GMT -5
Silas before he was revealed to be played by PW was creepy and scary, but not after the reveal, he didn't scare me at all. I cannot comment on Kai because I havent' seen him in action, so he could be quite scary depending on how well the actor playing Kai plays his part. Therefore, I'm going to withold judgement until I see how he plays his role. I think they made a mistake in saying next week, instead of the week after. I don't think we are going to get a good look at him in next weeks episode, until Damon confronts him at the grocery store,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 8:28:40 GMT -5
Silas before he was revealed to be played by PW was creepy and scary, but not after the reveal, he didn't scare me at all. I cannot comment on Kai because I havent' seen him in action, so he could be quite scary depending on how well the actor playing Kai plays his part. Therefore, I'm going to withold judgement until I see how he plays his role. I think they made a mistake in saying next week, instead of the week after. I don't think we are going to get a good look at him in next weeks episode, until Damon confronts him at the grocery store, Yeah as I stated the scarred face, hooded Silas was creepy/scary. Paul Wesley of course wasn't so much since we know him as Stefan.
Though with Kai I'm going off first impressions, he doesn't look scary in the slightest. We haven't seen him in action yet so I'm just going off of looks. I just wanted the new villain who JP/CD went out of their way saying this villain won't be like Klaus/Katherine redeemable and would truly be evil in his ways, to look the part.
I'm a bit tired of ordinary looking villains like Markos and Shane. Silas was perfect until the writers made him Paul Wesley. I hope this Kai person gets a new wardrobe or something that just gives him that 'creepy/mysterious/dark' vibe. Seeing a guy with a red scarf around his neck just makes me think of him as dorky lol.
I know he's going to act evil/sadistic obviously he's the new big bad villain but I guess I just wanted a bit more look wise (trench coat/shades/unruly hair/dark circles under eyes/weird makeup or something).
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 10, 2014 8:46:55 GMT -5
Returns with its fourth episode? Isn't next week going to be episode 3? Or is this just a future spoiler thingy that's telling us we'll meet this Kai in the 4th episode? So not necessarily next week?
As for Kai, if that's supposed to be him in the picture, well he certainly doesn't really look as intimidating as creepy face, hooded Silas did. He looks like he's in pretty average clothes. So as far as first impressions go, he looks a bit less than ideal.
So I guess his 'dark mind' slash backstory will have to draw me in. Hopefully he's perhaps a shapeshifter or kitsune as the article tries to guess. Anything that doesn't have to do with a vampire, witch, or a combination of both as I'd like to see some new supernatural especially if this guy has been trapped in here. Star ball, anyone? Perhaps that's where they are trapped because like in the books the star balls contained their memories and the star balls belonged to a particular Kitsune. Maybe Kai is the Kitsune this star ball belongs to. If that's the case he would not want them finding a way out because the way out would be to destroy the star ball and he would then die. If he is a Kitsune then he would gain power from their little disputes and try to cause them some distress. A little reminder about Star balls and Kitsune for the TVD wiki:
Hoshi No tama is one of many abilities possessed by a Kitsune.
In the novels, Kitsunes are linked to their star ball if it gets destroyed, they die.
Depictions of kitsune or their possessed victims may feature round or onion-shaped white balls known as hoshi no tama (star balls). Tales describe these as glowing with kitsune-bi, or fox-fire. Some stories identify them as magical jewels or pearls. When not in human form or possessing a human, a kitsune keeps the ball in its mouth or carries it on its tail. Jewels are a common symbol of Inari, and representations of sacred Inari foxes without them are rare.
One belief is that when a kitsune changes shape, its hoshi no tama holds a portion of its magical power. Another tradition is that the pearl represents the kitsune's soul; the kitsune will die if separated from it for long. Those who obtain the ball may be able to extract a promise from the kitsune to help them in exchange for its return
Novels
In The Return: Midnight, Damon uses Misao's star ball to reopen the gate to the Dark Dimension and takes Bonnie with him by accident. Shinichi buys Bonnie to extract information about Misao's star ball. Since the group has drained Power out of it, Misao is dying.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 10, 2014 11:51:24 GMT -5
Silas before he was revealed to be played by PW was creepy and scary, but not after the reveal, he didn't scare me at all. I cannot comment on Kai because I havent' seen him in action, so he could be quite scary depending on how well the actor playing Kai plays his part. Therefore, I'm going to withold judgement until I see how he plays his role. I think they made a mistake in saying next week, instead of the week after. I don't think we are going to get a good look at him in next weeks episode, until Damon confronts him at the grocery store, Yeah as I stated the scarred face, hooded Silas was creepy/scary. Paul Wesley of course wasn't so much since we know him as Stefan.
Though with Kai I'm going off first impressions, he doesn't look scary in the slightest. We haven't seen him in action yet so I'm just going off of looks. I just wanted the new villain who JP/CD went out of their way saying this villain won't be like Klaus/Katherine redeemable and would truly be evil in his ways, to look the part.
I'm a bit tired of ordinary looking villains like Markos and Shane. Silas was perfect until the writers made him Paul Wesley. I hope this Kai person gets a new wardrobe or something that just gives him that 'creepy/mysterious/dark' vibe. Seeing a guy with a red scarf around his neck just makes me think of him as dorky lol.
I know he's going to act evil/sadistic obviously he's the new big bad villain but I guess I just wanted a bit more look wise (trench coat/shades/unruly hair/dark circles under eyes/weird makeup or something).
According to the spoilers, Kai is supposed to have a psychopathic mind, and that means, outwardly he could look like an ordinary person who doesn't look in the least bit threatening, but in reality is quite cunning in the way he carried out his plans. Villains like Silas and Klaus were more upfront with what thy wanted and how they went about achieving their goals. Kai could be more like the Japanese grandma in the L.J.Smiths novels, she was the mastermind behind everything that was happening in Fells Church, she was the very essence of evil, but looking at her all you saw was a sweet old lady, the last person Damon and the gang suspected, yet she was the one behind everything Doppel mentioned in her post about the twins and the star balls. So it really is going to be interesting how this new big bad approaches the gang. |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 10, 2014 17:15:28 GMT -5
It is very interesting that Damon knows that Bonnie talks in her sleep.
That brings me to a scenario that has been floating around twitter and tumblr. The speculation is in regards to Sarah, quite a few people are speculating that Sarah is infact the child of Damon and Bonnie, and is connected to whatever took place during their time in this mysterious place with the look of Mystic Falls. So it is going to be very interesting to see if this speculation turns out to be true. We will be getting flashback throughout S6 about Bamon's time in this place, so maybe everything will start to fall into place, as more and more details are revealed.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 10, 2014 17:18:08 GMT -5
Judging by that clip, it is very clear that Damon doesn't believe Bonnie that they are not alone......
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Post by missmystic on Oct 10, 2014 17:41:38 GMT -5
It is very interesting that Damon knows that Bonnie talks in her sleep. That brings me to a scenario that has been floating around twitter and tumblr. The speculation is in regards to Sarah, quite a few people are speculating that Sarah is infact the child of Damon and Bonnie, and is connected to whatever took place during their time in this mysterious place with the look of Mystic Falls. So it is going to be very interesting to see if this speculation turns out to be true. We will be getting flashback throughout S6 about Bamon's time in this place, so maybe everything will start to fall into place, as more and more details are revealed. I'm going to whole heartedly say no way on this one. For several reasons. First, Damon is a vampire. I.E. he is dead. He can't reproduce, can't get anyone pregnant. So that's kind of a big one. Second, I don't think they are really in the past: there are no other people! If it was really just the past, all the people who were there in 1994 would be there. But they are in some twilight zone version of the past, where they are the only ones there (except for maybe one other being yet to be named). So wherever they are, and whatever is going on, I do not believe that it will affect the real timeline or anything happening in the real world. And third, even if I was wrong about all those things, that would mean that Bonnie would have to spend 9 months there being pregnant, and then have a baby, before they get back to everyone else. None of that makes even a tiny bit of sense to me. So I'm definitely not going with that idea. |
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 10, 2014 18:34:29 GMT -5
It is very interesting that Damon knows that Bonnie talks in her sleep. That brings me to a scenario that has been floating around twitter and tumblr. The speculation is in regards to Sarah, quite a few people are speculating that Sarah is infact the child of Damon and Bonnie, and is connected to whatever took place during their time in this mysterious place with the look of Mystic Falls. So it is going to be very interesting to see if this speculation turns out to be true. We will be getting flashback throughout S6 about Bamon's time in this place, so maybe everything will start to fall into place, as more and more details are revealed. I'm going to whole heartedly say no way on this one. For several reasons. First, Damon is a vampire. I.E. he is dead. He can't reproduce, can't get anyone pregnant. So that's kind of a big one. Second, I don't think they are really in the past: there are no other people! If it was really just the past, all the people who were there in 1994 would be there. But they are in some twilight zone version of the past, where they are the only ones there (except for maybe one other being yet to be named). So wherever they are, and whatever is going on, I do not believe that it will affect the real timeline or anything happening in the real world. And third, even if I was wrong about all those things, that would mean that Bonnie would have to spend 9 months there being pregnant, and then have a baby, before they get back to everyone else. None of that makes even a tiny bit of sense to me. So I'm definitely not going with that idea. Had they been back home, I would agree with you, but this place is full of unknowns, and we don't know in what capacity they exist in. While Damon is in some capacity a vampire, as we saw in the flashback that covered the first two months, Damon has not shown any desire to drink human blood, which would have to come from Bonnie since she is the ony one there. Therefore, he might in this place be able to reproduce, which is why I didn't dismiss these speculation out of hand. And I kept at the back of my mind that this day where there is a solar eclipse might not be a normal representation of a day as we know it, that its time length maybe different. Bonnie believes the place to be magic, and I'm speculating that this is indeed the case. So here anything is possible. So Damon's vampirism doesnt work in exactly the same why it would if he was back home. My speculation is that grams original intention for Bonnie is that she should lead a normal life, which is why I don't think it is a coincidence that this place closely resembles Mystic Falls. I'm also speculation that Bonnie by taking hold of Damon's hand resulting in him ending up in the same place as herself, changed whatever reality grams had for her to a new reality that includes Damon. That there was supposed to be people in this place, but the reason why it is deserted and caught in a time loop is actually connected to Damon. I also have another scenario that grams unwhittingly may have in her sarifice made a deal with the person who is also in this place with them, and he may have assured grams that he would create this peaceful haven for her granddaughter, but instead created the place we now see, and that it serves some sort of purpose that only the big bad knows about. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 19:05:46 GMT -5
Damon and Bonnie are shopping for groceries, to make pancakes still it seems lol. Bonnie eats those pancakes doesn't she? Otherwise them shopping is a waste of time lol. If Bonnie still needs nourishment then it makes sense for Damon to follow suit. I think that's why the show went out of its way to have Damon make that observation that he was indeed still a vampire.
Bonnie should have her magic if this was a 'no rules/anything goes' place. They seem to be here just as they were. I think it's more of the show doesn't want to waste time showing us too many mundane things as everyone pretty much wants them to figure out things quickly and return and they're living the same day over and over.
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