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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 19:56:26 GMT -5
Bean for me it wasn't about the Sarah theories, it was about Damon's vampirism. You pointed out how it seems like his abilities are gone with your observations and then I quoted back feeling differently from what Damon commented on and Bonnie stil needing food in regards to the pancakes.
We both disagree on this angle from our observations but you quoted me again saying that I cannot ignore the 'facts' that everything's been pointing to Damon's vampirism not working well.
It makes it feel as if I'm immediately wrong and don't know what I'm talking about when I'm simply pointing out my observations just as you are.
I remember you stated for one of your reasons is that you haven't seen Damon feed. In the gif Doppel posted we see a blood bag on the table so Damon, at least for the moment, seems to be functioning as a vampire still.
Again we're all here to speculate and there is no right and wrong when throwing out theories, merely 'likely' or 'not so likely.'
We don't have to agree with every theory someone comes up with. It's a theory afterall not definite facts.There's a difference from someone not finding a theory likely and someone just outright bashing on a theory.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 11, 2014 20:04:54 GMT -5
I am starting to feel ganged up on in this Bamon thread. I do not feel that I am smarter then anyone else, anyone reading what I posted will note that I clearly stated that I have not dismissed the speculation in regards to Sarah since I do not know how this place works since it is filled with so many unknowns, and that anything is possible. How did that statement turn out to be me being smarter then anyone else. I am the only one saying since I don't know how this Mystic Falls works, then anything is possible. I am not the one attacking this theory, I'm the one stating it is as valid a theory as any since there are so many unknown variables, nothing is really known about what form Damon and Bonnie are in, and what is true back home, might not be true here. It is not me being smarter then anyone else to simply point out that so far we have been presented with a Damon, who has so far shown no signs that any of his vampire powers exists. I have only commented on what has been presented so far in these two episodes, I have not used anything that is not there. It has nothing to do with smartness. Episode two, Bamon scenes clearly show Bonnie as the one who hears this third party. Everyone, has commented on the factor that Damon who has the superior hearing due to his vamparism does not hear anything. This factor has been picked up on by not just me but other people too, so it has nothing to do with me trying to be smarter, even in the clip shown on The Talk with Damon and Bonnie grocery shopping. Damon clearly states that Bonnie must have completed the crossword puzzle in her sleep, he dismisses the alternative of a third party. The evidence, that has been presented to us so far, shows that Damon's vampirism doesn't appear to be working in much the same way that it would back home. I even pointed out that there could be an explanation why this is, one that will be revealed in one of the many Bamon flashbacks that will run the course of S6 All of the above, have been what I posted in reply to those who quoted my original post in regards to the theory about Sarah floating around tumblr, twitter and some TVD forums. Anyone reading the posts and replies that followed, can see, the real issue isn't me being smarter, since I have made no speculation in regards to this theory, what I did do was state my reasoning why I was not going to argue the issue either way. And it was based on all the above and the fact that if this place is a magical place as stated by Bonnie, then anything is possible. Therefore, this issue has nothing to do with me thinking I'm smarter (criticism labelled against me) since I have made no speculations on Sarah in regards to her being connected to Bamon in some way. My only contribution to this subject is not to dismiss it because, the place where Damon and Bonnie inhabit is unique and the form Bamon takes in this place is unknown as yet, therefore, anything is possible. Well see I was afraid you might feel ganged up on since most of us didn't see what you saw and that's why I talked about that in a post a few back. I think the problem is that sometimes your wording comes off like you think you are smarter than everyone else and that's what I was pointing out and have pointed out to you before so it isn't really a new thing and has nothing to do with Bamon posts specifically. It may well be that you don't mean it that way but that's how it comes off as somewhat haughty and when I see people getting their hair up I have to look at why that's happened. Saying things like this: There is only one fandom complaining about Bamon and it is my DE fandom and they are more or less along the lines of what you posted in the last paragraph of your post. is in fact a personal attack on the poster which lumps her and anyone who doesn't agree with your theory as a DE complainer. That's not cool. It's just not. There were a lot of ways you could have approached the fact that she had a different opinion but that wasn't one of them and was completely unnecessary and derisive. It attacked her and her fandom and even if it was an SE and you said the same thing it would still be an unacceptable personal attack so it has nothing to do with her being a DE. Now throw on top of that the following: Princess, you cannot ignore the fact that everything points to the fact that Damon's vampirism isn't working in the way it should, and now you're making an assumption beyond what the rest of us saw in the show. Not showing his powers doesn't mean they aren't there anymore. That's a leap. We'd have to see that they aren't there anymore to agree that it is a 'fact' as you put it, and that's the kind of wording that is absolutes and indicates you know better than others do since they didn't see it that way and you claim it's a fact, not a theory or speculation. That is what I was referring to. So, that's what I'm saying by my post. How you word things matter and the things you imply matter. I'm sure you didn't mean it to come off that way, but it did.
I also know this is a Bamon thread but so long as people are respectful about Bamon they can post here the same as any of the other ship thread, give theories, discuss theories given etc. and the fact we are here doing it shows there's interest in the storyline, right? So that's all good.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 11, 2014 20:11:22 GMT -5
When I set up this thread it was so it worked in exactly the same way that DE spoiler and Speculation thread worked. So in regards to this factor, I will be getting some of the Bamon fans who follow me to join and contribute to this thread, and the Bamn board.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 11, 2014 20:17:46 GMT -5
When I set up this thread it was so it worked in exactly the same way that DE spoiler and Speculation thread worked. So in regards to this factor, I will be getting some of the Bamon fans who follow me to join and contribute to this thread, and the Bamn board. It is set up in the exact same way. You weren't here a couple years ago when we used to regularly have Stelena fans come into the DE threads and comment and that was perfectly OK and they were welcome so long as they didn't mock DE. If they did then they were breaking the rules and that's the main thing. I don't see anyone mocking Bamon in this thread but if they did, I'd let them know. You can get some interesting insight from other ships that you didn't think of and we often did so I always left the boards open to everyone as long as they respected the shippers there and the ship and were mindful of where they were posting. So that's how we do things. We don't have any threads that are 'this ship only,' and if you don't like them stay out...nope...we just require people are respectful as that is one of our only rules here on this board. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 11, 2014 20:27:02 GMT -5
Oh and there's always the debate threads if things get to the 'butting heads' stage of a topic that is controversial and people want to keep discussing it and anyone can make a debate at any time. This topic of Damon's powers is getting there fast but I think perhaps we've covered it now. We'll see what happens next episode but it appears Damon throws someone (Kai probably) across the room. That looks like vamp strength to me. Unfortunately this show is never consistent enough with the vamp powers.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 11, 2014 20:28:29 GMT -5
But, at the end of the day, the main contributors of that thread is DE, and I would like this to be the case here.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 11, 2014 20:30:25 GMT -5
But, at the end of the day, the main contributors of that thread is DE, and I would like this to be the case here. Yes and I told you to invite people and we'd love to have them here. Otherwise as it currently is you'd be talking mostly to yourself. Just remember this board IS open to anyone and we won't tolerate anyone making people feel unwelcome either on any board. As long as they have goodwill and just want to discuss the topic they can do it. So far it's worked and we haven't had to change the way we do things and as we don't have a huge membership that works better anyway for us right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 20:37:04 GMT -5
But, at the end of the day, the main contributors of that thread is DE, and I would like this to be the case here. Though what's a bit funny is even us DE's in the Damon and Elena speculations thread we all have different opinions on how we view Delena sometimes. We know its okay for us to not necessarily have to agree with each other and we manage to help each other by seeing things through a different perspective. In regards to this thread it'd be great to have some more Bamons to talk to and seeing more points of views so I hope you do manage to invite some more people! |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 11, 2014 20:39:27 GMT -5
Bean don't get upset. Honestly I did see your comments and was wondering why you felt defensive. You stated it was a theory going around and it was not yours. So there's no need to be upset or feel ganged up on when we are refuting an internet theory made up by Gosh who knows who. It wasn't your theory you stated you weren't going to debate about it so we theorized off of it. No harm no foul! No one said you were wrong or that your theory stinks. Personally I think the theory is wonky. It's very twilight and I have my reasons. I don't like it not just because it's Bamon but I gave my reasons why it didn't make sense. I didn't attack anyone who made the theory. I didn't say they were dumb and no one here did either. None of us attacked you for sharing it. So don't feel ganged up on. But honestly how do you think we'd address a Bamon baby being we are DE's. It's not going to be joyful but it will be respectful and if the show points in that direction sure I'd have to admit it was true and then talk it out but right now despite my DE goggles (which are off) I don't see it. Bamon would make beautiful babies but I don't feel it's gonna happen with the evidence you presented and that's ok. You don't feel either way on it right? So it shouldn't matter if any of us do or don't. The DE speculation board has had many differing of opinions and some theories have had serious debates from both DE parties. We don't always agree and there's never been an issue in there when a theory or complaint goes beyond respect. Trust me... You're talking to 3 DEs who on more than one occasion have not seen eye to eye but we respect one another and carefully choose our wording. If I have offended you I'm sorry. Please PM with your complaint and we can talk it out. Do the same with the others if you need to.  Also please ask your Bamon friends to join. They shouldn't need to come over to defend anything but to discuss. I'd love to hear their perspectives. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 11, 2014 20:44:53 GMT -5
But, at the end of the day, the main contributors of that thread is DE, and I would like this to be the case here. But is this a speculation forum to talk about Bamon as a couple or what's going to happen to them on the other side? I don't feel I need to be a Bamon to discuss theories about them in general since they are kinda on a show by themselves. There hasn't been a relationship starting so Id think it's more about speculating what's happening with them right now. The DE speculation board was mostly speculation about them being a couple. Also Bonnie is a favorite character or mine and Damon is my ultimate favorite so I'd obviously love to speculate about them since it's a big part of the show right now. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 11, 2014 20:46:21 GMT -5
Yup, yup and yup. We have a good bunch here and even though the majority of us here are DE, we aren't going to be nasty to anyone who isn't. So most people once they arrive and put down their shield (lol) realize that, after a bit, and relax on the defense. I really do wish we had more members and more perspectives though because I love talking about all aspects of TVD and love differing points of view and honestly I've missed your pov over there in the DE thread too so I stalked you to here...lol.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 12, 2014 23:23:23 GMT -5
So annoying.... I typed up a whole post earlier and it's not here. I think I didn't press create. So I'm gonna do it over again.
Ok back to Damon and Bonnie speculating.
So who is Kai? Is he a witch? Why is he burning down the grocery store? Could he be a ghost haunting them? Is this why Bonnie only hears him? He will only allow himself to be seen unless he appears to you? Is he tied with the witch twins and their coven in anyway? Will he be the key to getting home?
I have a theory about Sarah. So the internet is speculating as you know she could be a Bamon love child. But what if she is a Konnie love child. Bonnie and Kai? What if his requirement to help them get out is if Bonnie gives him an heir and somehow Sarah will be used as a key to the big bad storyline in present day TVD. Like what if grams made the deal with him. Maybe he needed the anchor to get free but when Damon came it put them all in Damon's loop! Maybe grams knew of his plan and she felt it was better then death. Like creating a devil/human baby the anti christ but in the forum of whatever Kai is with Bonnie?
Ok I know it's far fetched but I think it would be interesting and maybe fan fic worthy. But I have so many questions and really who is Sarah? And who is her dad? Unless her dad is Bonnie's dad and she doesn't know he's dead and her story is irrelevant to the Damon Bonnie ghost world storyline?
What do you all think?
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 13, 2014 0:38:32 GMT -5
I'm just going to address why I stated that Damon's vamparism doesn't appear to be working in quite the same manner that it normally would back home. And the reason for this is that this place that looks like Mystic Fall but clearly isn't, exists in a form in which we don't know the variables, therefore, we cannot rule out anything. There is the possiblity, that at this moment in time Damon could be in human with vampire tendancies, and Bonnie a witch. However, both Damon's vampire powers, and Bonnie's witch powers are muted in this place.
The strength of a vampires power is not only dependant on how much blood they consume but also from the source in which they obtain their supply. We know this factor from the TVD books and also from the show. The vampire who exist mainly on animal blood is not as powerful as a vampire who exists on human blood from a blood bank and a vampire who drinks straight from the vein is even more powerfull. The reason why Damon's powers and skills were far greater then Stefan's who unless he was the ripper existed on animal blood. A vampires sense of smell, hearing, speed and strength is far greater then that of a human. So the point I was making and it was a valid point, was that of the two, Damon whose senses are not weakened because he is obtaining a supply of blood from a hospital blood bank, should have been the one to hear this unknown third party. But, he didn't......... and one of the possibilites is that Damon in this place may not be 100% vampire, that he may actually in some form be human. Damon and Bonnie's actual state is unknown, that makes even the Sarah theory a possibility.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 13, 2014 2:19:53 GMT -5
You are right. It is unknown. No one was saying your point was not valid. We were just coming up with ideas that could possibly be that indeed he is a vampire and perhaps him not hearing the noise had nothing to do with him not being a different variation of his vampire self because we felt JP gave us enough evidence to suggest he was the same vampire Damon. There are just two varying ideas being thrown out and your idea refutes ours like our idea refutes yours. It's a matter of interpreting the show differently. Like I said how do we not know that Kai is not a ghost and because Bonnie is the anchor she can hear and sense him. Even in the new promo Bonnie says did you see that and we see Kai walking by and Bonnie is freaked but Damon is like what? So now he can't hear, sense or see Kai. Is that am impairment of his vampire abilities or is something more supernatural going on with an anchor and a spirit who is playing games? We shall see. But either idea could happen it's just in my mind I believe it's not his abilities being hindered but that he doesn't have the ability like Bonnie the anchor to sense Kai for whatever reason. But we shall see whose idea plays out on Thursday. no harm no foul right? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 13, 2014 5:57:42 GMT -5
Well we do know this Kai is going to be the next big bad and they are making it sound like he will be the most evil villain we've seen yet with no hope of redemption so what that means, I don't know but I hope it doesn't involve him forcing Bonnie to bear his child. That's just cringeworthy! Plus Sarah's looking for her Dad in Mystic Falls. If this Kai dude is supernatural he couldn't be in Mystic Falls right now and we've never heard of him before so I don't know. Or heck he could just throw these two theories together and say that he agrees to let them out of his 'star ball' if they give him their first born child, thus forcing them to have a baby together. Everything is so unknown right now that anything is possible.
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