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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 16:06:51 GMT -5
Yeah he'll likely play an innocent card. Get them to believe that he was trapped there somehow. He won't give them the full story since if he outright shows that he's evil or trapped there for a specific reason he's likely not making it out there with them lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 6:21:13 GMT -5
Another thing just came to mind to make me think Kai has some 'control/power' over this world.
This part in the description from episode 4.
When Damon (Ian Somerhalder) and Bonnie (Kat Graham) realize that uncovering a time in Damon’s past may provide clues to finding their way home, Damon is forced to relive one of the worst days of his life.
They likely realize this from Kai's explanation. Damon went through four months in this AU perfectly fine, just experiencing the repeating AU day as normal.
Then when he meets Kai he suddenly is 'forced' to relive one of the worst days of his life. How is he forced exactly? This has to be Kai's doing as how will Damon even get in that 'loop of time' when there's no one around. As in he can't just walk to said spot and meet up with past Stefan. Even if it's Bonnie's magic with Kai telling her what to do to create the illusion, Kai is still the mastermind behind the new action.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 7:30:17 GMT -5
But here's the description. It is flashbacks. I think Damon might have to remember something that happened. I don't know if Kai 'makes' anything happen or not. Reliving could mean just remembering what happened. Grayson Gilbert is also listed as being in the show. Maybe it has something to do with the Whitmores how he was held captive:
FLASHBACKS TO A TUMULTUOUS TIME IN DAMON’S LIFE – When Damon (Ian Somerhalder) and Bonnie (Kat Graham) realize that uncovering a time in Damon’s past may provide clues to finding their way home, Damon is forced to relive one of the worst days of his life. After an awkward run-in with Jo (guest star Jodi Lyn O’Keefe) at the hospital, Alaric (Matt Davis) steps in to help Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen) get his life together and cope with the loss of Bonnie. Elsewhere, Stefan (Paul Wesley) attempts to show Elena (Nina Dobrev) what it’s like to start over and create a new identity, while an unsuspecting Matt (Zach Roerig) finds himself in a disturbing situation when Tripp (guest star Colin Ferguson) lets him in on a dark secret. Lastly, Stefan, who is desperate to regain some normalcy in his life, is stunned when an unexpected visitor shows up. Michael Malarkey also stars. Kellie Cyrus directed the episode written by Melinda Hsu Taylor & Neil Reynolds (#604). Original airdate 10/23/2014.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 10:10:07 GMT -5
Why are people saying Bonnie saved Damon's life 13 times? If she saved his life 13 times wouldn't Kai not have done it a 14th time? All he says is that she walked away from him 13 times and came back 13 times. He says nothing about her saving Damon's life 13 times. It's all over twitter and it's not what he said! So, going off of what he DID say, it stood to reason that she would come back a 14th time in order to see he was threatening Damon's life. Those 13 times could have been over the course of the 4 months at various times and various places. He'd obviously been watching them. He even knew they played monopoly at one point. We just don't know what 13 times she walked away and came back refers to so I don't see how anyone is getting that he has some control over them, mind control or otherwise. I'm not saying he doesn't, but there's no definite proof that he does at this point. He has simply observed their behavior over the time they've been there and concocted this plan to try to force Bonnie to get her magic back based upon what he's seen her predictably do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 10:17:59 GMT -5
Yeah now that I've watched over it again, it does seem like he means just coming back in general. He could have said saved 13 times but didn't. It also would fit in with why he said he wouldn't think Damon's life was enough, which wouldn't make sense if he saw Bonnie save Damon 13 times, then he would of course know it was enough.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 10:20:07 GMT -5
Yeah now that I've watched over it again, it does seem like he means just coming back in general. He could have said saved 13 times but didn't. It also would fit in with why he said he wouldn't think Damon's life was enough, which wouldn't make sense if he saw Bonnie save Damon 13 times, then he would of course know it was enough. Another good point...yeah he wasn't sure it would be enough to force Bonnie to want to do magic badly enough to make it happen which is why I don't think this happened before. I think Kai has been hiding himself the whole time and this is when he showed himself for the first time in order to try to make her do magic. He also laced all the bottles of whisky with vervain not knowing which one Damon might pick and if it was on repeat he'd probably pick the same particular bottle he picked. It seems like everything resets over night but Damon and Bonnie are aware that it is resetting. Every day their behavior can be somewhat different other than some predictability like them bickering and Bonnie always coming back after she gets pissed off at Damon over something but we've seen that they do things slightly different every day and are aware of the 'reset,' so unless Kai only had the ability to make them forget meeting him every day I think this was their first meeting. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 10:21:15 GMT -5
But here's the description. It is flashbacks. I think Damon might have to remember something that happened. I don't know if Kai 'makes' anything happen or not. Reliving could mean just remembering what happened. Grayson Gilbert is also listed as being in the show. Maybe it has something to do with the Whitmores how he was held captive: FLASHBACKS TO A TUMULTUOUS TIME IN DAMON’S LIFE – When Damon (Ian Somerhalder) and Bonnie (Kat Graham) realize that uncovering a time in Damon’s past may provide clues to finding their way home, Damon is forced to relive one of the worst days of his life. After an awkward run-in with Jo (guest star Jodi Lyn O’Keefe) at the hospital, Alaric (Matt Davis) steps in to help Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen) get his life together and cope with the loss of Bonnie. Elsewhere, Stefan (Paul Wesley) attempts to show Elena (Nina Dobrev) what it’s like to start over and create a new identity, while an unsuspecting Matt (Zach Roerig) finds himself in a disturbing situation when Tripp (guest star Colin Ferguson) lets him in on a dark secret. Lastly, Stefan, who is desperate to regain some normalcy in his life, is stunned when an unexpected visitor shows up. Michael Malarkey also stars. Kellie Cyrus directed the episode written by Melinda Hsu Taylor & Neil Reynolds (#604). Original airdate 10/23/2014. What got me confused was tghe wording. Why say 'relive' instead of 'remember'? It makes it seem like he'd have to relive, as in experience that day again through some sort of magic spell or something. But I guess that could also be nitpicking words lol |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 10:24:34 GMT -5
But here's the description. It is flashbacks. I think Damon might have to remember something that happened. I don't know if Kai 'makes' anything happen or not. Reliving could mean just remembering what happened. Grayson Gilbert is also listed as being in the show. Maybe it has something to do with the Whitmores how he was held captive: FLASHBACKS TO A TUMULTUOUS TIME IN DAMON’S LIFE – When Damon (Ian Somerhalder) and Bonnie (Kat Graham) realize that uncovering a time in Damon’s past may provide clues to finding their way home, Damon is forced to relive one of the worst days of his life. After an awkward run-in with Jo (guest star Jodi Lyn O’Keefe) at the hospital, Alaric (Matt Davis) steps in to help Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen) get his life together and cope with the loss of Bonnie. Elsewhere, Stefan (Paul Wesley) attempts to show Elena (Nina Dobrev) what it’s like to start over and create a new identity, while an unsuspecting Matt (Zach Roerig) finds himself in a disturbing situation when Tripp (guest star Colin Ferguson) lets him in on a dark secret. Lastly, Stefan, who is desperate to regain some normalcy in his life, is stunned when an unexpected visitor shows up. Michael Malarkey also stars. Kellie Cyrus directed the episode written by Melinda Hsu Taylor & Neil Reynolds (#604). Original airdate 10/23/2014. What got me confused was tghe wording. Why say 'relive' instead of 'remember'? It makes it seem like he'd have to relive, as in experience that day again through some sort of magic spell or something. But I guess that could also be nitpicking words lol Well he might have to relive it, but it also says 'flashbacks' which have always been memories in the context of the show up until now. Also while they think they are in 1994 it doesn't mean they actually are and if they were wouldn't there be more people doing what they were doing in 1994? So, I'm not sure they have actually traveled in time or the place is just filled with stuff from 1994, frozen that way in this dimension. But I guess those are the questions we all have about where they are that are left unanswered. If Damon CAN go somewhere and relive whatever then I guess they would have traveled back in time but Mystic Falls being empty of people makes no sense in that context. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 10:30:10 GMT -5
The stills are not helpful either. It's just Stefan and Elena's little trip into 'fakeville' which looks like it goes awry.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 18, 2014 10:37:21 GMT -5
Kai, obviously knows more about Damon and Bonnie's past relationship. That is how he knows how many times these two have argued, but despite this Bonnie still turns up to save Damon. Kai would not base this assumption on Bonnie just walking away 13 times and returning 13 times, the scene with him tied up was a little clearer on that. For Kai to bank on Bonnie saving Damon's life for the 14th time, he would have to know that she has done so in the past. It was their constant bickering that lead him to believe that maybe this time Damon's life wouldn't be enough, but Bonnie did turn up.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 18, 2014 10:38:57 GMT -5
I'm doing a scenorio on Kai and just how he has currupted the place Gramps set aside for Bonnie, part of the scenario is to do with the fact that Kai turned into Damon's personal hell for a reason.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 10:43:03 GMT -5
I'm doing a scenorio on Kai and just how he has currupted the place Gramps set aside for Bonnie, part of the scenario is to do with the fact that Kai turned into Damon's personal hell for a reason. Oh that sounds interesting...do tell! |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 18, 2014 13:01:09 GMT -5
I do like that they seem to have gotten over the hump into more of a friendship and Bonnie is no longer walking past Damon being tortured by Rebekah and things like that! I wonder if this will stick once they get back to the rest of the gang. Right now they are all they've got, each other so that has lent to this new bonding:
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 26, 2014 7:04:22 GMT -5
What if...Bonnie goes along with Damon's plan to get back to Elena but she has no intention of leaving with him. What if it isn't by accident that she gets left behind and as Damon is leaving she lets go of him and tells him to take care of himself or something along those lines. She won't leave because she wants to make sure Kai never finds a way to escape so she in essence sacrifices herself AGAIN. Wouldn't that make the story even more compelling? Damon would not stop trying to find a way to get her back. Those two always did have that in common, selfless sacrifice for other people, the willingness to do whatever it takes for their friends, even die for them, so in that Bonnie and Damon are alike and Damon has always tried to either fix her sacrifices or make them worth it. So far he's managed to keep her alive how many times? At least a few! While Bonnie had this wall of hate up with Damon for the longest time and wouldn't let him in, it has finally crumbled when she tells him that there is hope for him. That's pretty big coming from BonBon toward Damon. So we can see now what it will look like when they really do trust each other and can work together for the good of the MF gang because up until now they have sort of paralleled each other, making their own plans which interconnected but Bonnie never really trusted Damon. So it should be interesting to watch.
While I don't see a romantic relationship with Damon and Bonnie we do know that Damon cares about Bonnie. For one thing he was commissioned to watch over her by Emily as with all of the Bennett witches so he no doubt did that and who knows how many times he may have interfered in her life to keep her safe (flashbacks of Damon catching a little Bonnie falling out of a tree would be adorable don't you think?) So there is an affection there born out of his obligation to take care of the Bennett witches that I think carried over no matter how many times Bonnie rejected and pushed him away. I kind of like to think that Damon grew fond of her while watching over her. It's just another side to Damon, that gentle side he has that he likes to hide so well. This story could really show that more fully. But I don't want to see a romance because to me that would ruin something that could be pretty special if they do it right. I always said the same of book Bamon, Damon was fond of Bonnie, but he always loved Elena. That is how I always saw it. We have the added dimension in the TV show that he was to watch over Bonnie and keep her safe and we all know Damon keeps his promises, even if Emily didn't keep hers. So Damon has basically been Bonnie's dark angel all her life but she never knew it. Perhaps continuing to do that one good thing, keep the Bennett witches safe, kept a thread of Damon's humanity intact over all those years that he was lost. This to me could be the real story we are watching unfold with Damon and Bonnie.
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