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Post by Doppelgänger on May 2, 2016 21:37:45 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me the timeline of events? So what we are watching now, as Jamie and Claire are in France, I assume this directly follows where we ended last season, correct? So what we saw of her and Frank in 2x01, is that the future - that she will eventually go back to? If so, she wouldn't be pregnant in that future with Frank, right? Or is that something that unfolds towards the end of the series as we see how it all plays out? I didn't read the books but I read a comment that there is some kind of twist as to why she appears pregnant now in France but then when she's with Frank she doesn't appear pregnant, yet she tells him she is pregnant. It's a bit confusing with the timeline they gave us but maybe there's more to the time jumping. Maybe it isn't really lateral, if you know what I mean. I mean if you're talking about time travel anything could go, I suppose and maybe she isn't as pregnant, like in the 1940's timeline she is a few months behind in her pregnancy? Like she traveled forward in time but back at the same time in her own personal time so she's a few months younger and less pregnant, if that makes sense. That's my wild guess anyway. I really have no clue. I mean when she's in the 1940s she talks about the battle already having been fought so she could have conceivably already given birth even unless it happens pretty soon. How she would know that she was less and/or back to being pregnant again when she gets to the 1940s, I don't know. Maybe the doctor told her and she's rolling with it cause time traveling and all that... There's definitely some trickery here...LOL |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 2, 2016 21:47:04 GMT -5
So this...I guess we'll just have to wait and see:
Lisa says:
April 10, 2016 at 10:00 AM
To learn what’s going on with the pregnancy is a huge spoiler, so I’ll just say keep watching.
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 2, 2016 22:04:16 GMT -5
Ah OK, thanks. Wasn't sure if I was missing something with the lateral and/or future time jumps. Especially since she was showing in this week's episode, I was wondering if she had the baby in the "past" and thought she was still pregnant in the future because she lost time and she herself wasn't sure of where she was in history. Like you said, she asked about the war so it made me think that she didn't stay long enough to see their plan through, but it was clearly long enough for her to be showing. I'm sure they'll clear it all up for us, and per that tweet, it looks like I wasn't the only one wondering  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 3, 2016 10:44:28 GMT -5
Ah OK, thanks. Wasn't sure if I was missing something with the lateral and/or future time jumps. Especially since she was showing in this week's episode, I was wondering if she had the baby in the "past" and thought she was still pregnant in the future because she lost time and she herself wasn't sure of where she was in history. Like you said, she asked about the war so it made me think that she didn't stay long enough to see their plan through, but it was clearly long enough for her to be showing. I'm sure they'll clear it all up for us, and per that tweet, it looks like I wasn't the only one wondering It makes it more fun to me not knowing and having to guess, don't ya think? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 4, 2016 11:31:48 GMT -5
Oh crap, it's hitting the fan this week...I wonder if she considered that her changing the future could be why the future happens the way it does...hmmmm...I love time traveling stories so much!
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 6, 2016 23:32:15 GMT -5
Oh crap, it's hitting the fan this week...I wonder if she considered that her changing the future could be why the future happens the way it does...hmmmm...I love time traveling stories so much! :-O When I was watching the last couple of weeks, I was like "You can't change the past, it will completely mess up the future!" I keep wondering about that though. I don't think they'll actually be able to change the outcome of the war, but could you imagine if they did, what kind of ripple effect that would have? And it looks like Jamie will find out about Frank's life hinging on JBR being able to live long enough to have children. Wow, I can't wait to see what Claire will have to go through with her future decision making. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 7, 2016 0:06:07 GMT -5
Oh crap, it's hitting the fan this week...I wonder if she considered that her changing the future could be why the future happens the way it does...hmmmm...I love time traveling stories so much! :-O When I was watching the last couple of weeks, I was like "You can't change the past, it will completely mess up the future!" I keep wondering about that though. I don't think they'll actually be able to change the outcome of the war, but could you imagine if they did, what kind of ripple effect that would have? And it looks like Jamie will find out about Frank's life hinging on JBR being able to live long enough to have children. Wow, I can't wait to see what Claire will have to go through with her future decision making. I like how they've made us feel the burden of it weighing on her because it really would be! I can't even imagine. But I'm wondering if the girl who was r@ped will have a child that will be the actual ancestor now because it looks like the brother will be accused of raping her and expect him to marry her and since he does like her, maybe even love her, maybe he does and she has a baby. Back in those days illegitimate children were hidden and either not claimed or claimed by other family members in some cases, so who knows. Again I haven't read the books so this is just speculation of one possible outcome of the whole ordeal. I hate to think of her having to marry the monster and live with that after what she's been through already. Maybe Claire manipulates the whole thing so she gets to marry the brother. Frank would end up not even really being a Randall if the r@pe produces the child. Wouldn't that be a hoot? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 7, 2016 9:56:39 GMT -5
Wow...just wow about this latest episode. I am just so pleased with how this series has turned out to be. It's amazing! But I will say that if I were Jamie I would have a really hard time not feeling betrayed by Claire for what she does this episode. I mean I understand why, from her side, but I don't agree with it and I'm pretty sure all her meddling will not change the future anyway which is why maybe she has to go back in time to fix the mess she makes...maybe...that's just a speculation on my part. I enjoy not knowing what happens next.
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 7, 2016 22:26:07 GMT -5
I gotta admit I really got a kick out of this scene with the king. He was much more fun then previously. Oh the French really do loathe the British, almost as much as the Scots do!
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 7, 2016 23:42:20 GMT -5
This is exactly the way I see this, so he nails it in the acting department. I don't wonder what he's thinking unlike other shows *cough* And now he's back..oh dear! www.ew.com/article/2016/05/07/outlander-tobias-menzies-black-jack-jamie?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitterOutlander Posted May 7 2016 — 10:00 PM EDT In tonight’s episode of Outlander on Starz, Claire Fraser’s worst nightmare is realized when she lays eyes again on Capt. Jonathan “Black Jack” Randall (Tobias Menzies), the man who savagely ****d her husband Jamie back in Scotland. EW asked Menzies to explain what drives his alter-ego and why he’s so hell-bent on conquering Jamie. ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: What’s with Black Jack’s obsession with Jamie?
TOBIAS MENZIES: I don’t think he hates Jamie. I think he is stimulated by him, intrigued by him. I think in some way Jamie represents everything that Jack isn’t, and you both love and want to destroy the thing that you can’t be. As someone who is interested in pain and people’s pain thresholds, he flogs Jamie and Jamie is able to withstand more punishment than he’s ever administered to anyone. So I think he finds Jamie to be a remarkable person. Yes, he’s twisted, but it’s a sort of rugged, weird respect. That sounds even more evil!Yes, it is dark, but it is an expression of his truth, I guess, of his war experiences. That is the honest expression of his personality. And yes, it’s hugely dysfunctional, though it doesn’t mean there isn’t admiration and respect and love in those interactions. Is Black Jack gay?
He isn’t really a study in homosexuality. That wasn’t really the thing, and I’m not sure Jack would describe himself as a homosexual. I think sexuality wasn’t as clearly defined as it is now. I made the decision that it wasn’t a love story about Jack’s love for Jamie, that it was more an exploration of his sadism, and in Jamie he finds someone who is a remarkable foil and a remarkable opponent in his journey as a sadist, rather than about a love story between the two of them. |
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Post by Charlotte on May 8, 2016 15:51:21 GMT -5
I am so pleased with this series too!! Where to start? Sam's acting was amazing. Jamie back in the kilt shows he has recovered. I love that Claire is 3-dimensional. I think she is so tough on young Alex and Mary and really should mind her own business, but I understand her reasoning. BJR is truly a sadist, and I hated how he calls them both by their first names, as he is now intimate with them. They are veering from the book, but in the most respectful ways so rather than that being irritating, it is enjoyable. The core actors are amazing but the secondary actors are just as well played and getting proper attention. I am so thankful they are paying attention to all of the details.
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 8, 2016 16:48:46 GMT -5
Another great episode. You know that the acting is wonderful when you are feeling just as tense as Claire must have been during that whole confrontation. I think I was holding my breath for a few seconds there, lol.
Here's what I think about the whole changing the past & future thing. In my mind I feel like what will happen is going to happen. There will be a war, no matter what interventions she attempts and although they may be successful at delaying the timing, I think it will happen anyways and with the same outcome. Mary will marry Jack - Whether or not Claire intervenes so yes I think Claire is kind of silly in thinking that she can change the past just so Jamie can live longer without thinking about the consequences of doing so. When she realizes that BJR has to live long enough to have a child in order to keep Frank's lineage in place, that was her first realization that changing the past significantly alters the future - or she just hadn't thought about it long enough before because her concern was only for Jamie's well being and the Scots.
As far as how Jamie must be feeling about the whole thing, totally get it - I understand Claire's dilemma too. But as far as Jamie knows, Claire is with him and she may never get back to the future to be with Frank. He's living in the present so all of this must be very strange to put all of his trust in her knowledge about what she says she knows. I think it's very important to revisit the fact that Claire actually isn't well versed in all of the events of the past. She even said she never really paid attention when Frank spoke about it, so I guess looking back, knowing more of the history would help Claire attack how she deals with situations. For example, what if BJRs brother died of smallpox and was never able to marry Mary anyways? Knowing more of the history might help her now.
Lastly, with regards to following the books. I haven't read this series but I know how annoying it can be sometimes to expect something from the book and it just doesn't happen or is revealed a different way. Im sure as a producer or director, they want to keep the integrity of the books yet be a part of creating their own part of the story. There is a fine line between following the books and injecting their own ideas in order to keep viewers on their toes, before they start to annoy people. I'm glad to hear that you feel they are still on track as far as that goes. There are a lot of book readers that watch the show, so I'm sure they are under a microscope to keep with the integrity but they probably don't want to be completely transparent either. I'm excited to see what comes next because I have no idea of the end game so it's all just speculation for me!
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Post by missmystic on May 10, 2016 7:38:27 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me the timeline of events? So what we are watching now, as Jamie and Claire are in France, I assume this directly follows where we ended last season, correct? So what we saw of her and Frank in 2x01, is that the future - that she will eventually go back to? If so, she wouldn't be pregnant in that future with Frank, right? Or is that something that unfolds towards the end of the series as we see how it all plays out? Yes, the things we are watching in France are directly following last season in Scotland. The season opener episode where she is back with Frank is the future of this story. So that stuff will unfold and be explained as the season goes on.
If you want spoilers or explanations I can message them to you, but I'll just say that there is a very good and specific reason for the pregnancy stuff. And it's getting close to being explained SOMEWHAT in the show I think. If you want to know more let me know :-)
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 10, 2016 15:13:48 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me the timeline of events? So what we are watching now, as Jamie and Claire are in France, I assume this directly follows where we ended last season, correct? So what we saw of her and Frank in 2x01, is that the future - that she will eventually go back to? If so, she wouldn't be pregnant in that future with Frank, right? Or is that something that unfolds towards the end of the series as we see how it all plays out? Yes, the things we are watching in France are directly following last season in Scotland. The season opener episode where she is back with Frank is the future of this story. So that stuff will unfold and be explained as the season goes on.
If you want spoilers or explanations I can message them to you, but I'll just say that there is a very good and specific reason for the pregnancy stuff. And it's getting close to being explained SOMEWHAT in the show I think. If you want to know more let me know :-)
OK, that makes total sense. I'll stick it out and wait for the surprises - it'll keep me guessing, lol. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 14, 2016 16:48:02 GMT -5
Left with a cruel cliffhanger this week....
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