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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 7, 2012 22:07:02 GMT -5
It seems that's poor Damon's lot in life.
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Post by Slash on Oct 7, 2012 23:52:07 GMT -5
I would too but I think if he does he will be easily forgiven and when Klaus and Caroline happens everyone will be celebrating yet Klaus did more to Caroline and Elena than Damon EVER did and they literally tear Damon apart! ...Cough JENNA.... Cough! It is kind of forgive and forget on the show. They'll give him a pass for the here and now if he decides to help out but come the future, if he does something 'out of line', they'll throw a past transgression in his face like they usually do with Damon unless that's something unique/exclusive to Damon. Damon has paid in spades for the wrongs he's done to the group (saving their lives time and time again, especially Caroline) but he gets thrown under the bus every time one of them wants to throw a fit  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 7, 2012 23:56:58 GMT -5
Every time I watch that 3x19 hotel scene and I hear Caroline tell Tyler that Damon basically doesn't care if he dies, I say, WHAT? When in the hell did Damon say anything like that to her? I mean in all honesty he probably would be happy to sacrifice Tyler for everyone else if it came down to that, but he never said it! Hell he saved Tyler's pathetic life and got bit for it in the process. It's like it's an automatic Damon vilification with these people. Did anyone care that Tyler bit him? Hell no! Damon is the problem here!
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Post by Slash on Oct 8, 2012 2:27:54 GMT -5
S2's end bothers me because of that. Damon is dying from the Werewolf bite and did Caroline or Tyler drop by to say thanks for saving them or to apologize for any of it? It'd be Caroline dying if it wasn't for Damon. Yeah, Damon wanted to off himself earlier that day but what would the reaction have been from Tyler & Caroline if they found out that had happened? The same, 'meh' attitude they had when he was on the edge later that day as if it wasn't their problem/had nothing to do with them?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 8, 2012 7:58:25 GMT -5
I know, it doesn't matter how many good and/or nice things Damon does, they still treat him the same. Since this is the Anti-Stefan board I suppose we ought to be talking about Stefan. How does Stefan not understand his brother to the extent that he does? All he ever does is bring him down, talk trash about him behind his back and expect him to do his dirty work. What a great brother!
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Post by Slash on Oct 8, 2012 8:14:30 GMT -5
I honestly wish Stefan was as fleshed out/given the care that Damon has gotten as far as development goes. You get a better look into why Damon does the things he does but Stefan being as selfish as he is and beating Damon down emotionally and trying to keep him an 'enemy/untrustworthy' to these people who should be considered 'friends' is beyond me. I'd understand if this was an aspect of the Ripper persona but they need to throw some sort of explanation out there for me. Is it in his nature to be so uneasy/wanting to keep his Brother down? Damon's one constant in this long eternal life is Stefan. Both know that they can seek out the other when nothing is left and find something familiar/some level of comfort in their Brother but what the hell is with the way Stefan treats Damon?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 9:30:51 GMT -5
I would too but I think if he does he will be easily forgiven and when Klaus and Caroline happens everyone will be celebrating yet Klaus did more to Caroline and Elena than Damon EVER did and they literally tear Damon apart! ...Cough JENNA.... Cough! True we cant blame Klaus but it is annoying that most SE's do ship Caroline and Klaus yet have fifty reasons why Damon is a horrid person. This is why I don't like Klaroline. It will just feel like a huge slap to DE's fans faces if it were to happen considering all the three seasons, going on four, that Damon has had to redeem himself just to be in good graces with everyone. And even then most of those horrible choices that Damon has done has kept everyone alive up to this point. I'm so glad that the supposed MF dance isn't between Caroline and Klaus. Stefan needs to get off his high horse. I had to make this post somewhat related to the topic  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 8, 2012 10:01:55 GMT -5
haha...yeah. Well I'm sure we'll have fresh reasons to hate Stefan soon enough. |
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Post by Slash on Oct 8, 2012 10:59:55 GMT -5
I would be hoping they'd commit to whatever they want to do with him this season and do it well, not like the Ripper storyline where they backed out/half-assed it and then threw any ramifications for Stefan's character out the window when it was all said and done. I really don't want to hate Stefan going forward and would like to see some positive progress on his front but I already know I'm going to be irked if he does back off Elena just because she's a Vampire now. The blame for that falls on a lot of shoulders, including his own, but the whole idea of this being what pushes him away from her bothers me (Elena's potential reasonings I can understand now that she gets a new perspective).
If it's S3 Stefan all over again, I'm just going to write him off.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 8, 2012 11:42:46 GMT -5
I know what you mean. I'd rather not hate him either. The Ripper was such a fail though. It was disappointing if that's all they've got for Stefan. JP has to let go of the idea that Stefan is supposed to be this perfect, 'good' guy. She should see by the popularity of Damon that we don't love perfect good guys. They're boring. Give the poor guy some depth. Of course it's arguable that Stefan is indeed 'good' and I've posted many times about why I don't think he is. But as far as the show goes, they keep pushing that like cotton candy. We're supposed to believe he's 'good.'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 12:16:40 GMT -5
I think Stefan sort of backing off of Elena now that she's a vampire makes sense with his character if we think back to Katherine. He loved her up until the point she told him what she was.
Then when he saw Elena he spent months making sure that she wasn't Katherine and then he realized that Elena was basically the perfect version of 1864 Kat but Human.
His intro has been, "I know the risk but I have to know her."
And when he approaches Elena he says something like, I came here to start a life with you.
Elena being human basically made him forget what he was himself. It made him feel normal. So now that Elena is a vamp and running around with blood like him, he has to sort of come to terms with his vampirism if he's supposed to be helping her get by.
Also Stefan didn't know Elena had blood in her system, he most likely thought if he didn't make it back in time she would be dead for good.
I think if that was a fact that he had known he probably would have gotten Elena out of there first, considering how he brings up Elena's 2x20 speech in 4x01.
Book Stefan was the same way in that he would rather Elena dead than be a vampire. (Although book Stefan's character wasn't as frustrating as TV Show Stefan).
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Post by Slash on Oct 8, 2012 13:36:11 GMT -5
Stefan just seems to be a character I have trouble wrapping my head around =\ I read what you wrote and I understand the POV but at the same time, I *CAN'T* understand. Coming back to MF, watching Elena for months just to 'relive' Katherine without the Vampire aspect? Damon has the right state of mind in loving/appreciating Elena regardless of what she is but rather focusing on who she is. She may look like Katherine but she's the qualities that the Brothers fell in love with that Katherine fronted to them when she was trying to pose as normal/court them (although Damon knew; it's the tearing him limb from limb and leaving him waiting for nearly 150 years + the whole It'll always be Stefan thing that finally pushed him over the edge and even then, he still cares for her in some regard as he was the only one to help her when she was under Klaus' control).
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Oct 8, 2012 13:36:37 GMT -5
I blame the poor writing and character development. They make their own precious characters that they love so much and put so much work into sound condescending, hypocritical, unrealistic, cold, careless and pathetic. Caroline looks like such a punk right now because of the bad writing for her character!!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 8, 2012 13:42:16 GMT -5
Stefan will not accept Elena as a vampire. It's a given considering his character. It may take a few episodes but that's the end result. He came to MF to start a new life, to feel normal, as in human, and he found himself a nice little human girlfriend who just happened to look exactly like his ex that he hadn't moved past yet. Yup...this is a recipe for disaster and now the disaster is on his doorstep.
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Post by Slash on Oct 8, 2012 13:52:06 GMT -5
But Caroline wasn't a crap character until S3. S1...eh. S2, amazingly done along with Tyler. S3? I want both of them dead. No one to blame for that but the Writers...and JP. Always JP.
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5