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Post by Slash on Nov 1, 2012 20:37:34 GMT -5
I posted my thoughts in the current episode thread. Didn't like him at all this episode. Stefan working with Klaus to get Elena back human, knowing full well what Klaus wants out of it, I'm hoping it blows up in his face.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Nov 1, 2012 23:32:57 GMT -5
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Post by Slash on Nov 1, 2012 23:46:39 GMT -5
My only rationalizing of it is that he helps Klaus turn Elena human and possibly himself too. If that works, he can be with her and give her the family she wants and frees him of the Ripper (since as Vampires, they can't have a normal 'Vampire' life without him going off and they both fear that Elena may become a Ripper too). He'll probably bargain for Elena's freedom once Klaus sees it works and instead offer (maybe before turning himself human) to track down Katherine for Klaus so he can turn her and use her instead given how she screwed Klaus initially (turning and running) and she fits the doppelganger bill unless it's specific to the one that Klaus used to break his curse.
But it's Klaus. He can get greedy and renege on his end and keep both Elena & Katherine and 'breed' them for more the future to keep the bloodline 'safe'.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 2, 2012 6:54:27 GMT -5
You should put your question to SE's in the Debates thread and see if anyone DOES have an explanation for it. On the surface it looks like he's doing it for Elena but wouldn't you think he'd ask her first if it's what she'd want? There are advantages to being a vampire for her that may outweigh wanting to go back to being human once she gets a chance to learn how to be a controlled vampire if he'd just let her struggle through it. But no, once again Stefan is going to put down Damon's ideas that would work if given time, and focus on changing her back without even asking her. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 8:04:36 GMT -5
I think Stefan is just working for Klaus for one of two reasons. He regrets choosing Matt over Elena, even though he acts like he doesn't in front of Elena, so he wants to correct his mistake and turn Elena human again. Two he hates vampire Elena, can't stand how she's this 'monster' like he is, and how being a vampire makes her closer to Damon so he wants her to turn back into his perfect little human girlfriend.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 2, 2012 8:51:46 GMT -5
The thing is, even if she DID turn back human, she's never going to be the same girl again, the one who was so sure that feeding off people was bad and wrong, remember the alley scene with Damon and Ripper Stefan? The one who self-righteously told Damon maybe he wasn't the one to be helping Stefan? Now she HAS to feed off people and she hates it yet loves it at the same time. Things are changing with her and she won't be the same. I swear if they change her back human I will be so annoyed. She hasn't even had a chance yet to adapt.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Nov 2, 2012 10:35:20 GMT -5
And this is the reason i think Julie made this little clause about how she can only feed off the vein. Elena could go back if she was drinking blood bags all day but she was FORCED into biting people. I think if they make her human she cant judge Damon or Stefan because she knows what drinking off the vein means for a vampire because she was forced into doing it. Yes there are other ways but once you feel what the nature of a vampire is and it's to be a predator and drink people and not kill then "STEFAN" then she can be non judgmental in the future. Or so you would think. Maybe it's a way for her to understand Damon as a vampire and get past the part of Damon that scares her and it's the part where he excepts who he is and just allows himself to be a vampire. She thinks you should suppress it and hide it like it's a sexual disease. But it's his nature and Care and Stefan are the ones going against it. Doesn't make them better just makes them, them.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Dec 14, 2012 0:52:30 GMT -5
I just want to say that in the promo when he says "How many times are you going to break my heart" I flashed to season 3... It doesn't matter the reasons, he broke her heart soooooo many times... Like almost driving her off Whickery bridge to prove a point to Klaus. Ugh... he should have compelled her to stay away from him and not fight for him. It could have saved her an enormous amount of heartache in season 3!
But NOOO! It's Stefan so everyone feel horrible! And I'm sorry i get that he's hurt about DEX but come on he did it to Damon with Katherine and if you remember back in season 1 he said he didn't even care that his brother wanted her or loved her. He was going to have her. Something along those lines. Damon feels bad about the sex and makes Elena leave. Stefan sleeps with Kat then forces Damon to be a vampire.
COUGH COUGH
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 14, 2012 0:59:11 GMT -5
f*** Stefan! Stefan only ever cares about Stefan and if that isn't obvious by now I don't know how it could be. Even this whole thing with the cure is only so he can have Elena back as his little puppet with her 'Team Stefan factory settings' intact. Elena never even knew how much BS she was being fed that she was practically a mushroom since she was so trusting and naive. Stefan lied and sabotaged Damon right from day one because he knew if she ever gave him half a chance she'd see he was the better choice.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Dec 14, 2012 13:24:17 GMT -5
Yes all Stefan cares about is that cure... And I'm positive it's not just for the simple fact that Elena didn't want this. He didn't want it! He doesn't want it! He will find that cure and keep trying until the day he dies I bet to WIN her back.  But I just hated that comment in the promo. It's like I know your hurting dude and you can hurt but you did this to her ALL last season and you slept with Katherine so calm down! |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 14, 2012 13:56:23 GMT -5
What part of HE BROKE UP WTH HER is Stefan missing the aftereffect of? When you break up with someone they are free to do what they want, be with who they want, sleep with who they freaking want, without being treated like they've done something wrong toward the one who broke up with them. wtf? This is the stuff about Stefan that really make me hate him.
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Post by Klovin'11 on Dec 14, 2012 14:32:19 GMT -5
He's just an idiot asshole.  He loves his brother? No. He uses his brother to make him look good by making him out to be the bad guy. Is it any wonder as to why Damon feels like he's not worthy of s***? Stefan does nothing but tear him down. He's a phony. Desiccate him and throw him in the ocean! And this whole thing with Elena.. wtf? After everything Elena has gone through for/because Stefan, he has the audacity to yell at her about how she has ripped his heart out? He's a controlling asshole. He only wants to cure Elena so that she'll come back and suck his dick, k? And I'm sorry for that language.. but he's really pissing me off lately. And he's got Caroline acting like his little minion which makes it even more irritating. This is why I am 100% Klefan.. because Stefan's ass needs a good pounding    |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 15, 2012 2:02:27 GMT -5
In love with this long, but well reasoned post from: invisiblegirlhd.tumblr.com/post/37932296441/an-open-letter-to-stefan-salvatoreAn open letter to Stefan Salvatore…
Stefan - we need to talk. I’ve been wanting to say a lot of things to you for a long time, but I have so many problems with your behavior that I didn’t know where to start. Then tonight, something happened in your final scene that really struck a nerve, and I couldn’t let it pass without comment. Here it goes.
Tonight, when you were talking to Caroline after your plan went horribly awry and Klaus brutally slaughtered those twelve hybrids, you were reflecting on the conversation you had with Klaus earlier that evening, and how you felt guilty sending him off to (what you thought) was his entombment in his sister’s body. You commented on how Klaus really wasn’t all that different from other vampires, that although he has done horrible things, everyone has done horrible things, yourself included (although you only used the royal we, I do have to give you credit for even obliquely mentioning your own faults). What makes Klaus different, you said, was that he was alone, without any kind of family or friends to support him.
I don’t particularly like Klaus, but that’s neither here nor there. What I really want to focus on is what you said about him. I was pleased (and I’ll admit, kind of shocked) to see you take a momentary break from being a sanctimonious, judgmental asshat to recognize the moral ambiguity and moral relativism that defines your supernatural world. I think I may have even nodded encouragingly at my TV screen. It was a nice change to see you admit that you yourself are not perfect: as we all know very well, when you lose control you tend to go on bloody rampages that result in you dismembering people and then putting them back together again. I wanted to pat the top of your fluffy hairdo for this moment of self-awareness, introspection, and empathy. My question, though, and really the reason why I felt compelled (no pun intended) to write you this letter, is this: if you can show even an iota of compassion, understanding, and empathy towards the man who last season you claimed “ruined your life†and “took everything from youâ€â€¦ why can’t you show it to your own brother?! Are you kidding me?!
Look, I know you and Damon have a long and complicated history, and I know Damon isn’t perfect. He has done some awful things, both to you and those you care about. However, he’s changed, and grown, and become a better person. I don’t know how you can’t see that. Maybe you just aren’t paying attention. Yes, Damon has made his share of mistakes. Yes, Damon continues to make mistakes. But guess what? Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone makes bad decisions. At least Damon owns up to them. He’s the kind of person who takes responsibility for his actions and the choices he makes, who is able to reconcile his actions with his identity and still function; he’s not the kind of person who tries to blame them on someone or something else, or rationalize them, or repress them and ignore them and shove them so deeply into an internal safety deposit box where they fester and grow until they threaten to consume them. Does that second description sound familiar? It should. It’s you.
But enough about you. Let’s talk about Damon - or rather, how you see and treat Damon. I know that the audience sees more of Damon’s redemption than you do - it’s one of the perks of being an omniscient spectator - but there is still plenty of evidence of Damon’s growth that you have witnessed. Even more, you’ve seen Damon as the audience has not - as a child grieving the loss of his mother; as a boy who was treated poorly by his father; as a young man in love with a woman who toyed with his emotions and played the two of you against each other; as a vampire who was forced to transition against his will and then left alone to cope. You’ve seen Damon lose or be rejected by every person he has ever loved. And yet here he stands today: a vampire who, yes, is in love with the same young woman as you, but more importantly, a man who is finally on the cusp of having the love and acceptance and family he has been denied. And here you stand, trying to bully and coerce him into pushing it all away. What I don’t understand, what I cannot fathom, is how you could want to condemn your brother to the kind of life that you recognize as the source of Klaus’ pain and anger - a life of abject loneliness.
Because make no mistake, Stefan, that’s exactly what you are doing by continually telling Damon that he has to end things with Elena. You can couch it in terms of freeing her from the sire bond, of giving Elena her choice back - whatever it is that helps you maintain your precious moral superiority - but the essence remains the same: in order for you to be satisfied, Damon has to be alone. What’s worse, you are doing it willingly, and you are doing it because you believe the worst in your brother despite all the evidence to the contrary. Elena is sired to Damon, and therefore you believe that her feelings for Damon can’t possibly be real and that your brother, the Big Bad Vampire, is taking advantage of her simply by being around her. I hate to break it to you, buddy, but you’re wrong. Possibly delusional too. Elena has had feelings for Damon long before she turned. Everyone can see it. Everyone knows it. You know it too - remember when you sent Elena off to Denver with Damon so she could figure out what she felt for him?
But I digress. My point isn’t that what Elena feels for Damon is real whether you believe it or not - although that’s certainly true. My point is that you know how Damon feels about Elena. You know how deeply he loves her (after all, you’ve used his love for Elena to suit your own purposes and to get Damon to help you do things to protect Elena). You even know that Damon can not and will not be selfish with her (which isn’t as striking a revelation as you think it is - it’s been obvious for quite some time). Yet you expect him to push Elena away, to cut himself out of her life, to leave her - just so that you can feel comfortable. Just so that your sense of morality, of right and wrong, is appeased. You expect him to do this - all the while using guilt, insults, and manipulation to get what you want - to ensure that “Big Bad Damon†isn’t messing with Elena’s choices. Well guess what? Damon isn’t that person. He hasn’t been for a long time. He wants to do the right thing by Elena. He is already worthy of your respect. But can you blame him for struggling to push away the woman he loves when all he wants is to pull her closer? Can you blame him for wanting to be happy? For not wanting to be alone?
And let’s not forget that leaving Elena would also necessitate leaving you. If Damon pushes her away and leaves her (which is what the witch told you he would have to do in the last episode), you’re not going with him, are you Stefan? I didn’t think so. You’d have to be there to coddle (I’m sorry, “comfortâ€) Elena, to reassure her that her feelings for Damon are just part of the sire bond and that you’ll be there to “fix her.†Give me a break. You’d willingly let your brother break his heart (and let Elena’s break, too) just so that yours doesn’t, so that you can be the good guy, so that you can “fix†a girl who isn’t broken. You call Damon selfish? He has nothing on you right now, Stefan. He’s losing not only the woman he loves, but the brother he loves. And make no mistake - Damon loves you. In fact, I’d say you’re happiness is just as much a driving force behind his pushing Elena away as hers is, if not even more so. By pushing Elena away, Damon’s hurting both of them; neither of them gets what they want, but you get what you want. Damon loves you, and he sacrificed his own happiness for yours. You wanted Damon to sacrifice everything while you sacrifice nothing, and you got your wish. You should be happy, but instead you’re angry with your brother for sleeping with Elena. You jump to conclusions without having all the facts (as usual) and you immediately assume the worst of your brother (as usual).
Just to recap - You see Damon work tirelessly to free you from Klaus and return you to Elena, yet you still call him selfish. You see the dynamic between Damon and Elena change before your very eyes, yet you can’t imagine that she could actually care for or love your brother. You sit there and nod and agree with Caroline as she points out all of Damon’s flaws and shortcomings, and you do nothing to defend him while simultaneously ignoring your own. You manage to see the possibility of redemption via emotional connection in your enemy, but can’t bother to see the same possibility in your brother unless he abdicates his own emotional connection.
In short, Stefan, you are acting like a deluded, hypocritical ass. That you are willing to look for the good in Klaus while disregarding and diminishing your own brother’s suffering is boggling to me. That you feel guilty for possibly hurting Klaus yet feel no guilt for bullying your brother into giving up the woman he loves is simply ridiculous. That you still ardently believe you are the better (in fact, the only) choice for Elena, that you so fervently point out Damon’s flaws while willfuly ignoring your own, is beyond my comprehension.
You are not the better choice right now, Stefan. You aren’t the better man. And you’re certainly not the better brother. |
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Post by pixiestyx on Dec 15, 2012 16:22:50 GMT -5
BRAVO to this blog post  Stefan didn't infuriate me quite as much this episode but holy f*** that promo line made me furious. God, I hope Elena stands up to him and tells him to stake himself. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 12, 2013 0:37:32 GMT -5
Feeling a bit Anti-Stefan tonight so....from Tumblr (realdestination):
How Stefan WENT DOWN in vampire's HISTORY
1. Stefan’s first kill as a vampire was his own father, Giuseppe Salvatore.
2. Stefan as a vampire has a special ritual of killing, ripping bodies to pieces, and then puts them back together again, like puzzles, which is why he’s called The Ripper.
3. Even the most notorious vampire in history , Klaus, was impressed with Stefan’s way of killing and the number of people he has killed as a vampire.
4. Stefan, as a vampire, went on animal diet, with philosophy that is better to kill dozens of animals than dozens of people, like he used to do.
5. Stefan, as a vampire, didn’t save the woman he loves, Elena, while she was drowning.
I'm sure you all can add to this list...
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