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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 16:23:31 GMT -5
So I'm going to consider this more anti writing than anti character related. This gifset shows how the writers literally copy and pasted a part of the relationship dynamic of Katherine and Stefan and put it on some new character just so there would be present day angst of a character who's actually alive to cause tension with Steroline.
What makes this the most idiotic is that this is literally a year later when Stefan moved on to Katherine and unlike with Katherine, there was nothing like a picture that he kept in her memory for years. So this feels completely unnecessary and to me feels silly for Caroline to even fret about this since again, one year later he forgot about Valerie so Katherine and obviously his feelings for Elena feel like a much bigger threat as far as Caroline being insecure of Stefan's feelings for her.
If you're going to try to add some more history to your character, make sure that it actually makes sense, doesn't contradict anything or completely make your character feel like some psycho case in the process. You don't just throw things out there that took place before the show started and then never hint at it like ever. Especially in this scenario, adding yet another love interest to Stefan's character, one year before he met Katherine. There were other ways they could have gone about the angst for Steroline that didn't necessarily have to be the same romantic scenario where Caroline feels insecure of yet another girl's feelings for Stefan.
If they absolutely had to go with a romantic triangle type storyline for Steroline angst, then change it up and make it so that Stefan's the one in the hot seat, they could have used Enzo for that or even introduce another guy from Caroline's past that she may have known in middle school or her old neighborhood or something. This show just seems to have this bad habit of recycling the same storylines over and over again.
 
 
 
 
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Post by Somerhaldered on Nov 3, 2015 14:54:57 GMT -5
So I'm going to consider this more anti writing than anti character related. This gifset shows how the writers literally copy and pasted a part of the relationship dynamic of Katherine and Stefan and put it on some new character just so there would be present day angst of a character who's actually alive to cause tension with Steroline.
What makes this the most idiotic is that this is literally a year later when Stefan moved on to Katherine and unlike with Katherine, there was nothing like a picture that he kept in her memory for years. So this feels completely unnecessary and to me feels silly for Caroline to even fret about this since again, one year later he forgot about Valerie so Katherine and obviously his feelings for Elena feel like a much bigger threat as far as Caroline being insecure of Stefan's feelings for her.
If you're going to try to add some more history to your character, make sure that it actually makes sense, doesn't contradict anything or completely make your character feel like some psycho case in the process. You don't just throw things out there that took place before the show started and then never hint at it like ever. Especially in this scenario, adding yet another love interest to Stefan's character, one year before he met Katherine. There were other ways they could have gone about the angst for Steroline that didn't necessarily have to be the same romantic scenario where Caroline feels insecure of yet another girl's feelings for Stefan.
If they absolutely had to go with a romantic triangle type storyline for Steroline angst, then change it up and make it so that Stefan's the one in the hot seat, they could have used Enzo for that or even introduce another guy from Caroline's past that she may have known in middle school or her old neighborhood or something. This show just seems to have this bad habit of recycling the same storylines over and over again.
Buhhahahaha! This is so true! And before I saw this gifset, I thought well, this sounds like Katherine's story! Kat was the one that he supposedly fell for first. And she changed everything for him. I will say that one thing 'The Originals' does well is writes in the backstory to make it believable and make sense. Even when they write in past love interests (like the current one with Klaus, Lucien, and Aurora), it makes sense for the time. The issue here is they are trying to make Valerie the ultimate, virginity taking love of Stefan's life. First of all, it was one night. Secondly, I know that they don't always know the direction they will take in season 7 when they start in season 1, but they need to be more creative if they are going to work in the backstory - because really, that's the beauty of having long-living supernatural characters. You can add to the story when the need arises. But they need to take into account the story they have already told us. The problem is that they were working with limited timing because they wanted to make Valerie mean more to Stefan. As the story was told to us, we believe that Katherine would have meant more than Valerie because he spent more time with Katherine and she turned him. Their mistake was placing it too close to the Katherine timeline.Here is what they could have done: Instead of making her his first "love", they could have made her more significant by making them have an affair during those years where the story hasn't been told yet. From 1864 (when Katherine faked her tomb death) to 1903 (when Valerie was banished to the AU), they could have picked a 3-5 year stint where she went off to "check on him" for Lily. She could have been reporting back to Lily that he was OK and she was keeping an eye on him from a distance. Meanwhile, she is really getting close to him and they spend a considerable amount of time together. Towards the end of that time is when Julian gets suspicious and goes to find Valerie to bring her back and tell her the mission to watch Stefan is over...that's when he finds out about the affair and she is pregnant with Stefan's baby. Of course during all of this, Stefan is going to propose to her (or something) and he was waiting for her to meet him and she never shows up (when Julian intercepted). This meeting was also going to be the moment she was going tell Stefan about the baby and confess their relationship and her love for him to Lily - then Julian kills the baby and they can do what they did from that point. This leads to Stefan internalizing all of this - which is why he never spoke about it, it was too painful - and her coming back brings up all of the memories. THAT would make more sense overall and give us more of a sense that Stefan never had closure and those feelings could possibly resurface. That would make her more meaningful than Katherine (and really, Damon was the one waiting for Kat) and when she resurfaces, the revelation of the baby and their past relationship is what brings the tension to Steroline. BOOM!  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 3, 2015 16:06:53 GMT -5
So I'm going to consider this more anti writing than anti character related. This gifset shows how the writers literally copy and pasted a part of the relationship dynamic of Katherine and Stefan and put it on some new character just so there would be present day angst of a character who's actually alive to cause tension with Steroline.
What makes this the most idiotic is that this is literally a year later when Stefan moved on to Katherine and unlike with Katherine, there was nothing like a picture that he kept in her memory for years. So this feels completely unnecessary and to me feels silly for Caroline to even fret about this since again, one year later he forgot about Valerie so Katherine and obviously his feelings for Elena feel like a much bigger threat as far as Caroline being insecure of Stefan's feelings for her.
If you're going to try to add some more history to your character, make sure that it actually makes sense, doesn't contradict anything or completely make your character feel like some psycho case in the process. You don't just throw things out there that took place before the show started and then never hint at it like ever. Especially in this scenario, adding yet another love interest to Stefan's character, one year before he met Katherine. There were other ways they could have gone about the angst for Steroline that didn't necessarily have to be the same romantic scenario where Caroline feels insecure of yet another girl's feelings for Stefan.
If they absolutely had to go with a romantic triangle type storyline for Steroline angst, then change it up and make it so that Stefan's the one in the hot seat, they could have used Enzo for that or even introduce another guy from Caroline's past that she may have known in middle school or her old neighborhood or something. This show just seems to have this bad habit of recycling the same storylines over and over again.
Buhhahahaha! This is so true! And before I saw this gifset, I thought well, this sounds like Katherine's story! Kat was the one that he supposedly fell for first. And she changed everything for him. I will say that one thing 'The Originals' does well is writes in the backstory to make it believable and make sense. Even when they write in past love interests (like the current one with Klaus, Lucien, and Aurora), it makes sense for the time. The issue here is they are trying to make Valerie the ultimate, virginity taking love of Stefan's life. First of all, it was one night. Secondly, I know that they don't always know the direction they will take in season 7 when they start in season 1, but they need to be more creative if they are going to work in the backstory - because really, that's the beauty of having long-living supernatural characters. You can add to the story when the need arises. But they need to take into account the story they have already told us. The problem is that they were working with limited timing because they wanted to make Valerie mean more to Stefan. As the story was told to us, we believe that Katherine would have meant more than Valerie because he spent more time with Katherine and she turned him. Their mistake was placing it too close to the Katherine timeline.Here is what they could have done: Instead of making her his first "love", they could have made her more significant by making them have an affair during those years where the story hasn't been told yet. From 1864 (when Katherine faked her tomb death) to 1903 (when Valerie was banished to the AU), they could have picked a 3-5 year stint where she went off to "check on him" for Lily. She could have been reporting back to Lily that he was OK and she was keeping an eye on him from a distance. Meanwhile, she is really getting close to him and they spend a considerable amount of time together. Towards the end of that time is when Julian gets suspicious and goes to find Valerie to bring her back and tell her the mission to watch Stefan is over...that's when he finds out about the affair and she is pregnant with Stefan's baby. Of course during all of this, Stefan is going to propose to her (or something) and he was waiting for her to meet him and she never shows up (when Julian intercepted). This meeting was also going to be the moment she was going tell Stefan about the baby and confess their relationship and her love for him to Lily - then Julian kills the baby and they can do what they did from that point. This leads to Stefan internalizing all of this - which is why he never spoke about it, it was too painful - and her coming back brings up all of the memories. THAT would make more sense overall and give us more of a sense that Stefan never had closure and those feelings could possibly resurface. That would make her more meaningful than Katherine (and really, Damon was the one waiting for Kat) and when she resurfaces, the revelation of the baby and their past relationship is what brings the tension to Steroline. BOOM! I think the pregnancy may wind up being the key reason why they went with the timeline they did. Possibly Caroline somehow winds up with her baby, too. There was a spoiler about Stefan being all infatuated with the idea that he could have been a father and so I'm guessing that Caroline may wind up carrying that baby, too. I don't know...I'll see if I can dig up that spoiler. I care so little about anything Stefan that I didn't bother even posting it or fully reading it...LOL |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 3, 2015 16:08:10 GMT -5
It’s been the question plaguing Vampire Diaries fans ever since Caroline’s Stefan-less future was revealed last month: What could he possibly do to make her never want to see him again? A natural assumption would be that all this Valerie drama — including, but not limited to, the fact that she swiped Stefan’s V-card and was pregnant with his child — becomes too much for Caroline to handle, but according to executive producer Caroline Dries, there’s a lot more to the story. “Valerie is part of the reason, but it’s a much bigger, more emotional, legit reason,” Dries tells TVLine. “It’s beyond petty jealousy or Stefan cheating on Caroline or anything like that.” That said, you can still count on plenty of Stefan/Caroline/Valerie drama to come. “This season is about [our characters] growing up and becoming adults,” Dries explains, adding that Stefan’s almost-baby is “something he will be really be thinking about as we move forward in the season. He’ll keep thinking, ‘I could have been a dad.’ We had many ideas [for their backstory], but we felt this was the most symbolic and thematic.”tvline.com/2015/11/02/vampire-diaries-stefan-caroline-break-up-season-7-spoilers/ |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 3, 2015 16:10:36 GMT -5
Obviously he can't be a Dad since he's a vampire otherwise. I bet that breathes new life into the Stelenas thinking Damon will give up his 'seat' on the human ride for Stefan...LOL God knows with this show anything is possible anymore. I swear to God I made up stories like this with my Barbies when I was 5. That's how bad the writing is on this show. We have the sudden friendship of Damon and Bonnie that made zero sense and now we have Stefan banging some chick in 1863 he just met when he was a virgin...like that happened so often in that era! Not! And it seems as if he will be torn about her and thus a new triangle is born...boring... I swear that Stefan is darn fickle, isn't he? LOL
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Post by Somerhaldered on Nov 3, 2015 16:27:32 GMT -5
Obviously he can't be a Dad since he's a vampire otherwise. I bet that breathes new life into the Stelenas thinking Damon will give up his 'seat' on the human ride for Stefan...LOL God knows with this show anything is possible anymore. I swear to God I made up stories like this with my Barbies when I was 5. That's how bad the writing is on this show. We have the sudden friendship of Damon and Bonnie that made zero sense and now we have Stefan banging some chick in 1863 he just met when he was a virgin...like that happened so often in that era! Not! And it seems as if he will be torn about her and thus a new triangle is born...boring... I swear that Stefan is darn fickle, isn't he? LOL OK, THAT makes sense if they are pushing the whole human/baby thing. But isn't Valerie a witch? I think I may have missed the whole 'first heretic' story, but she was turned by Lily after Julian "found" her and brought her back to Lily, right? After thinking it through I forget that vamps can't get humans pregnant because Klaus got Haley pregnant, but that was because he was a hybrid and she was a wolf, if I remember correctly. But they always re-write the lore to suit their purpose so they could have made it that vamps could get witches pregnant but no one knew because vamps/witches have always been enemies, lol. I don't know - I just feel like being that it was a one night stand, just cause he lost his virginity to her doesn't make it that much more special to me. Maybe I'm different, lol. They should have found a way around it like they always do to make the relationship more significant. BUT if all they want to push is that he broods over the fact that he could have been a dad, then I guess they did their job. Like you said though, it just lacks creativity and I think that's where my disappointment lies. It all seems very juvenile. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 3, 2015 17:30:05 GMT -5
Obviously he can't be a Dad since he's a vampire otherwise. I bet that breathes new life into the Stelenas thinking Damon will give up his 'seat' on the human ride for Stefan...LOL God knows with this show anything is possible anymore. I swear to God I made up stories like this with my Barbies when I was 5. That's how bad the writing is on this show. We have the sudden friendship of Damon and Bonnie that made zero sense and now we have Stefan banging some chick in 1863 he just met when he was a virgin...like that happened so often in that era! Not! And it seems as if he will be torn about her and thus a new triangle is born...boring... I swear that Stefan is darn fickle, isn't he? LOL OK, THAT makes sense if they are pushing the whole human/baby thing. But isn't Valerie a witch? I think I may have missed the whole 'first heretic' story, but she was turned by Lily after Julian "found" her and brought her back to Lily, right? After thinking it through I forget that vamps can't get humans pregnant because Klaus got Haley pregnant, but that was because he was a hybrid and she was a wolf, if I remember correctly. But they always re-write the lore to suit their purpose so they could have made it that vamps could get witches pregnant but no one knew because vamps/witches have always been enemies, lol. I don't know - I just feel like being that it was a one night stand, just cause he lost his virginity to her doesn't make it that much more special to me. Maybe I'm different, lol. They should have found a way around it like they always do to make the relationship more significant. BUT if all they want to push is that he broods over the fact that he could have been a dad, then I guess they did their job. Like you said though, it just lacks creativity and I think that's where my disappointment lies. It all seems very juvenile. It could all just be an elaborate way to show Stefan's reaction to being a Dad and since Caroline will wind up preggo, he will be all onboard with it or something...or worse...I can't help but feel like they did all this for some other reason because it's so out of the blue. |
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Post by missmystic on Nov 4, 2015 9:04:57 GMT -5
Obviously he can't be a Dad since he's a vampire otherwise. I bet that breathes new life into the Stelenas thinking Damon will give up his 'seat' on the human ride for Stefan...LOL God knows with this show anything is possible anymore. I swear to God I made up stories like this with my Barbies when I was 5. That's how bad the writing is on this show. We have the sudden friendship of Damon and Bonnie that made zero sense and now we have Stefan banging some chick in 1863 he just met when he was a virgin...like that happened so often in that era! Not! And it seems as if he will be torn about her and thus a new triangle is born...boring... I swear that Stefan is darn fickle, isn't he? LOL OK, THAT makes sense if they are pushing the whole human/baby thing. But isn't Valerie a witch? I think I may have missed the whole 'first heretic' story, but she was turned by Lily after Julian "found" her and brought her back to Lily, right? After thinking it through I forget that vamps can't get humans pregnant because Klaus got Haley pregnant, but that was because he was a hybrid and she was a wolf, if I remember correctly. But they always re-write the lore to suit their purpose so they could have made it that vamps could get witches pregnant but no one knew because vamps/witches have always been enemies, lol. I don't know - I just feel like being that it was a one night stand, just cause he lost his virginity to her doesn't make it that much more special to me. Maybe I'm different, lol. They should have found a way around it like they always do to make the relationship more significant. BUT if all they want to push is that he broods over the fact that he could have been a dad, then I guess they did their job. Like you said though, it just lacks creativity and I think that's where my disappointment lies. It all seems very juvenile.
Stefan and Valerie were both human when they met. She was a witch, but still human. Stefan had not met Katherine yet, that happened a year later apparently. So there's no rewriting of lore going on for this situation, it was just 2 humans banging and getting pregnant lol.
HOWEVER, I find the whole storyline totally ridiculous. Obviously JP doesn't give a fig about history, because that would just never happen. An unmarried teenage girl in the 1800s would never sleep with some guy she just met. It would just never happen. The only kind of woman who would sleep with some random guy in those days would be a prostitute, or if it was against her will, or an adult widow who had plenty of money and good standing and took lovers frequently. A respectable young girl would never ever do that. And I refuse to believe the fact that she was a witch made any kind of a difference. It's just stupid.
What they SHOULD have done was make it so Valerie was watching Stefan for A WHILE. If she had been there for months checking up on him, getting to know him, it would have been believable that they fell in love. And if they fell in love and she thought maybe they could be together and she was going to leave Lily, THEN it might have been plausible that she would sleep with him, if she assumed they'd get married. Plus, it would have been more significant for the story, if they spent months together and really fell in love. They could still explain Katherine's entrance into his life later on easily by pointing out the fact that Katherine compelled him (which is canon), and say that she made him forget about Valerie and love her instead.
Its just so easy, a child could think of this. Why do they suck so bad? lol
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 4, 2015 9:24:08 GMT -5
OK, THAT makes sense if they are pushing the whole human/baby thing. But isn't Valerie a witch? I think I may have missed the whole 'first heretic' story, but she was turned by Lily after Julian "found" her and brought her back to Lily, right? After thinking it through I forget that vamps can't get humans pregnant because Klaus got Haley pregnant, but that was because he was a hybrid and she was a wolf, if I remember correctly. But they always re-write the lore to suit their purpose so they could have made it that vamps could get witches pregnant but no one knew because vamps/witches have always been enemies, lol. I don't know - I just feel like being that it was a one night stand, just cause he lost his virginity to her doesn't make it that much more special to me. Maybe I'm different, lol. They should have found a way around it like they always do to make the relationship more significant. BUT if all they want to push is that he broods over the fact that he could have been a dad, then I guess they did their job. Like you said though, it just lacks creativity and I think that's where my disappointment lies. It all seems very juvenile.
Stefan and Valerie were both human when they met. She was a witch, but still human. Stefan had not met Katherine yet, that happened a year later apparently. So there's no rewriting of lore going on for this situation, it was just 2 humans banging and getting pregnant lol.
HOWEVER, I find the whole storyline totally ridiculous. Obviously JP doesn't give a fig about history, because that would just never happen. An unmarried teenage girl in the 1800s would never sleep with some guy she just met. It would just never happen. The only kind of woman who would sleep with some random guy in those days would be a prostitute, or if it was against her will, or an adult widow who had plenty of money and good standing and took lovers frequently. A respectable young girl would never ever do that. And I refuse to believe the fact that she was a witch made any kind of a difference. It's just stupid.
What they SHOULD have done was make it so Valerie was watching Stefan for A WHILE. If she had been there for months checking up on him, getting to know him, it would have been believable that they fell in love. And if they fell in love and she thought maybe they could be together and she was going to leave Lily, THEN it might have been plausible that she would sleep with him, if she assumed they'd get married. Plus, it would have been more significant for the story, if they spent months together and really fell in love. They could still explain Katherine's entrance into his life later on easily by pointing out the fact that Katherine compelled him (which is canon), and say that she made him forget about Valerie and love her instead.
Its just so easy, a child could think of this. Why do they suck so bad? lol
Yes historically it makes no sense but from the perspective of Stefan 'forgetting' about Valerie because he barely knew her but she is still significant since she was his 'first' lover is the reason I think they went the way they went. I think they just threw historical correctness out the window rather than making Stefan have this great love all those years ago that lasted longer than a day. But, that's not how love happened back then. There was a lot of writing letters and NOT physical contact, sometimes not even being together and if they were, there was ALWAYS a chaperone so things like that didn't happen...but whatever...this is TVD and they make it up as they go along. I suppose it could be argued that she 'slipped' her chaperone when she hid herself magically from Julian. Heck the scene in Titanic was pretty much just as culturally off as this, as in 1912 it was still very much the way it was. Chaperones went with young ladies everywhere! I was just sort of shocked by Stefan and Valerie suddenly getting it on out of nowhere on the very first day they met with no backstory build up, whereas, at least they had a backstory in Titanic and a blossoming love story happening...but still, it is culturally unlikely to have happened that way, in either case, not with a lady of any breeding anyway. Some backstreet ho, yeah, but that's not how these women are presented. Certainly pregnancies happened but it wasn't from some one night fling out of nowhere. Here's a family story for you, an ancestor of mine was born in 1913. When she met her Mother-in-Law to be she wore a red dress that she had made for the occasion and that didn't set well with her because only whores wore red dresses at that time, at least that is how her Mother-in-Law felt about it. So that started things off rocky..LOL She also was never allowed to learn how to drive because only whores drove cars. She never did learn how to drive til the day she died in 1990 because it wasn't acceptable in her mind. She also ALWAYS wore a hat. She never left the house without one on! So this is early 1900's to 1930's we are talking about when she was growing up and learning these things and it stuck with her. It was still very culturally NOT OK to do certain things if you were a lady. While chaperones were out by the time she grew up there were still cultural norms and if you got pregnant out of wedlock it was considered the most horrible shameful thing ever. Pregnancies and illegitimate children were hidden away so deep that it sometimes only gets revealed through historical records years later. People went their whole lives NOT talking about such things...LOL I kind of doubt Valerie would EVER come clean on any of that and especially not to a complete stranger like Caroline. But I guess she's a throughly modern historical woman and sorry, but that just would never happen. I wish they'd make these women more believable and not have them adapt so easily to modern life. That would be refreshingly different for TVD. Sometimes they just don't seem to think deeply enough about how difficult and unlikely that would really be for them. But oh well, TVD has lost it's ability to give us well thought out storylines a long time ago. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 4, 2015 10:08:39 GMT -5
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 4, 2015 10:23:13 GMT -5
Maybe I'm thinking too hard and Valerie was just meant to be a low class type of chick who did what she did all the time...who knows, really, I guess, but Lily and the Salvatores were definitely more upper class than that. The fact that Julian WAS following Valerie around gave the impression that he was acting in the capacity of a chaperone as well. But if Valerie was not 'high class' it would not be likely that Stefan would bother with her after their fling. The whole thing just culturally doesn't make any sense. But whatever...I think I really AM thinking too hard about this but I hate inconsistencies in historical stuff like that.
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Post by missmystic on Nov 4, 2015 10:44:08 GMT -5
Maybe I'm thinking too hard and Valerie was just meant to be a low class type of chick who did what she did all the time...who knows, really, I guess, but Lily and the Salvatores were definitely more upper class than that. The fact that Julian WAS following Valerie around gave the impression that he was acting in the capacity of a chaperone as well. But if Valerie was not 'high class' it would not be likely that Stefan would bother with her after their fling. The whole thing just culturally doesn't make any sense. But whatever...I think I really AM thinking too hard about this but I hate inconsistencies in historical stuff like that.
I'm totally with you. It's hard not to think about this stuff when you know anything about history or cultural etiquette. And as writers, they really ought to know at least as much as we do lol. And yet ... ugh.
It definitely bothers me. It just takes me out of the story to have something so simple be made totally unrealistic. I know we are dealing with a fantasy world where there are vampires and witches and alternate worlds, but those things are established. Never have they stated that this is also a reality in which everyone in the whole world has sex whenever they please no matter what time period they are in or who they are. It's just tacky, and tawdry. Like they are just going for sensational gratification by including sex in the story whenever they can. It's dumb, and does not make me respect them as story tellers.
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 4, 2015 11:03:50 GMT -5
As you both mentioned previously, it all seems so juvenile.
I have not watched this season closely at all so have missed major plot points because I haven't watched the entire episode from time to time. But I did watch Valerie and Stefan and thought it was stupid for all the above-mentioned reasons, but also because it tainted Stefan for me. (As if I needed another reason!) He has been portrayed as such an innocent when he was human, but a 16-year-old (or is he 15? then) taking a woman's virtue in the 1800s is not cool, and certainly not something a "hero" would do.
I am also irritated that Jo's body can keep in a morgue for several months without decomposing. Maybe they have addressed that and I missed it, but dead bodies decompose.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 4, 2015 12:54:18 GMT -5
As you both mentioned previously, it all seems so juvenile. I have not watched this season closely at all so have missed major plot points because I haven't watched the entire episode from time to time. But I did watch Valerie and Stefan and thought it was stupid for all the above-mentioned reasons, but also because it tainted Stefan for me. (As if I needed another reason!) He has been portrayed as such an innocent when he was human, but a 16-year-old (or is he 15? then) taking a woman's virtue in the 1800s is not cool, and certainly not something a "hero" would do. I am also irritated that Jo's body can keep in a morgue for several months without decomposing. Maybe they have addressed that and I missed it, but dead bodies decompose. Also a good point about our 'hero' Stefan! Sometimes I wonder if they are intentionally showing us the opposite of what they are telling us about Stefan all the time. I mean he lies, ALL THE TIME. He runs from anything difficult or challenging for him. His feelings and emotions for others seem shallow at best. He will go live somewhere else to 'become someone else' in his own words rather than sticking it out and has done so at least twice if not more. He killed hundreds of people in ripper fashion. Now this Valerie story shows his morals even at the tender age of 16 were dubious. If he weren't being touted as the 'hero' it wouldn't be such a big deal but there is nothing heroic about him! In fact it is quite the opposite from my perspective to the point that it is laughable to hear Julie Plec keep touting him as this hero figure. What the hell show is she talking about anyway? Am I in an alternate universe or is Stefan the one who is living in a fantasy world of his own making and that's the perspective JP is always coming from because it sure isn't what I'm watching? |
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 4, 2015 17:50:57 GMT -5
As you both mentioned previously, it all seems so juvenile. I have not watched this season closely at all so have missed major plot points because I haven't watched the entire episode from time to time. But I did watch Valerie and Stefan and thought it was stupid for all the above-mentioned reasons, but also because it tainted Stefan for me. (As if I needed another reason!) He has been portrayed as such an innocent when he was human, but a 16-year-old (or is he 15? then) taking a woman's virtue in the 1800s is not cool, and certainly not something a "hero" would do. I am also irritated that Jo's body can keep in a morgue for several months without decomposing. Maybe they have addressed that and I missed it, but dead bodies decompose. Also a good point about our 'hero' Stefan! Sometimes I wonder if they are intentionally showing us the opposite of what they are telling us about Stefan all the time. I mean he lies, ALL THE TIME. He runs from anything difficult or challenging for him. His feelings and emotions for others seem shallow at best. He will go live somewhere else to 'become someone else' in his own words rather than sticking it out and has done so at least twice if not more. He killed hundreds of people in ripper fashion. Now this Valerie story shows his morals even at the tender age of 16 were dubious. If he weren't being touted as the 'hero' it wouldn't be such a big deal but there is nothing heroic about him! In fact it is quite the opposite from my perspective to the point that it is laughable to hear Julie Plec keep touting him as this hero figure. What the hell show is she talking about anyway? Am I in an alternate universe or is Stefan the one who is living in a fantasy world of his own making and that's the perspective JP is always coming from because it sure isn't what I'm watching? I have screamed at the TV about Damon's inconsistency, but Stefan's is actually worse. But I don't think for a minute it will end up that the writers have been stringing us along for a great Stefan reveal. It is, sadly, just poor writing. Not that Twilight is the Great American Novel, but Edward pretty eloquently explained to Bella that he would have courted her and asked for her father's hand. But JP/CD need a baby for some reason so logic be damned. Yet again. |
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