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Post by Somerhaldered on Nov 5, 2015 20:36:29 GMT -5
OK, THAT makes sense if they are pushing the whole human/baby thing. But isn't Valerie a witch? I think I may have missed the whole 'first heretic' story, but she was turned by Lily after Julian "found" her and brought her back to Lily, right? After thinking it through I forget that vamps can't get humans pregnant because Klaus got Haley pregnant, but that was because he was a hybrid and she was a wolf, if I remember correctly. But they always re-write the lore to suit their purpose so they could have made it that vamps could get witches pregnant but no one knew because vamps/witches have always been enemies, lol. I don't know - I just feel like being that it was a one night stand, just cause he lost his virginity to her doesn't make it that much more special to me. Maybe I'm different, lol. They should have found a way around it like they always do to make the relationship more significant. BUT if all they want to push is that he broods over the fact that he could have been a dad, then I guess they did their job. Like you said though, it just lacks creativity and I think that's where my disappointment lies. It all seems very juvenile.
Stefan and Valerie were both human when they met. She was a witch, but still human. Stefan had not met Katherine yet, that happened a year later apparently. So there's no rewriting of lore going on for this situation, it was just 2 humans banging and getting pregnant lol.
HOWEVER, I find the whole storyline totally ridiculous. Obviously JP doesn't give a fig about history, because that would just never happen. An unmarried teenage girl in the 1800s would never sleep with some guy she just met. It would just never happen. The only kind of woman who would sleep with some random guy in those days would be a prostitute, or if it was against her will, or an adult widow who had plenty of money and good standing and took lovers frequently. A respectable young girl would never ever do that. And I refuse to believe the fact that she was a witch made any kind of a difference. It's just stupid.
What they SHOULD have done was make it so Valerie was watching Stefan for A WHILE. If she had been there for months checking up on him, getting to know him, it would have been believable that they fell in love. And if they fell in love and she thought maybe they could be together and she was going to leave Lily, THEN it might have been plausible that she would sleep with him, if she assumed they'd get married. Plus, it would have been more significant for the story, if they spent months together and really fell in love. They could still explain Katherine's entrance into his life later on easily by pointing out the fact that Katherine compelled him (which is canon), and say that she made him forget about Valerie and love her instead.
Its just so easy, a child could think of this. Why do they suck so bad? lol Exactly my point - I think it was the whole one night thing that bugged me and I would have bought it more if she had been watching him for a few months and they had clearly developed something. This whole "love at first sight" strong connection crap was stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 7:05:42 GMT -5
Catching back up on this discussion, you guys have made some great points about the time period and what would have made more sense to occur than what we got. As mentioned, if us fans felt the way things went with Valerie and Stefan from the flashback didn't make sense just from our general knowledge of the history for how things were back then, why wouldn't professional writers?
Honestly this is flat out lazy writing period. A way to shove Valerie quickly into Stefan's life so the Steroline angst could get underway. Back with Katherine in season 1, it wasn't just one quick flashback and suddenly it was over, there were a series of flashbacks that explained the history of that past relationship. TVD flashbacks just aren't what they used to be, flashbacks hardly feel informative or like a flashback at all anymore. It used to feel exciting getting a TVD flashback and now it's just a bore.They dress in the appropriate clothes but act like any modern show on television and sometimes the characters feel inconsistent, a flashback centered back on season 1 timeline (like the Sarah parents flashback with the pregnant mom, and yet you have Stefan and Damon act like they do as if they were from season 4/5 or something).
What's the point of having a show where you're able to uniquely intertwine different eras, because you're working with vampires, and yet not even care to properly showcase the era correctly when you flashback? Again maybe it's just being lazy, since it's not like say Game of Thrones or anything similar, where the entire show takes place in a certain historical time period, making it more obvious if the characters didn't act accordingly to the era. TVD is more like a modern young adult drama with the only real history being when they flashback. Though why you wouldn't want your flashbacks to shine and be accurate and go all out since it only happens every once in a while is beyond me.
Though you know we always bring up the point about a room full of writers, I really find it hard to believe that literally no one on the writing staff has the same concerns as we do in regards to some of the consistency. Like with CD and JP with the three second speech, it could just be that JP just has this dictatorship and the final say in what happens on screen and she's stubborn about it sometimes, like when Paul was confused as to why Stefan would not save Elena, just because she told him to save somebody else first and JP stated how that was the basis of SE's relationship, so in her mind it made sense.
Also it feels like JP really does have more fun writing other characters like the heretics and in season 4, the Originals, than working with her own cast sometimes. I feel like we know more about history and lifestyle of a character who guest stars for one season like Jo or Lily than we do about Matt and Bonnie. Speaking of Matt, he's still as underused as ever so it was never an Elena taking too much screen time problem, it's a writing problem in general and JP just having no idea what to actually do with him. Even Enzo who joined the cast as a main character two seasons ago really never had a solid place in the show, just one off storylines and showing up whenever it is convenient. And Tyler's character speaks for itself.
And not only characters, but she likes having all this unnecessary mythology and crazy plot twists all the time. I feel like JP should just end TVD, and take all these 'ideas' like the heretics and whatever to TO. The flashbacks in TO have more thought put into them than TVD does now, it's always exciting to get a flashback in TO because with the Originals having a thousand years on them, there's just a lot of eras to work with and it always feels like we do learn something new each time, a new dynamic, a new trick that they picked up involving their vampirism etc.
And TO is also more heavy on the supernatural with the power struggle between witches, vampires, and werewolves. So something like the Phoenix stone, I can see fitting in easily. I feel like the heretics make more sense to be in TO. The Originals have been alive for a long time, so it's much easier to incorporate characters throughout the centuries who would know Klaus or his siblings without having to rush in the timelines and fudge it all up like meeting Valerie in 1863 and then Katherine in 1864 lol. JP could again just end TVD and work solely on TO where she can be over the top as much as she want, since it feels like she's bored of writing for her main original characters or something. |
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