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Post by leandril on Jun 7, 2013 18:10:31 GMT -5
Best DE scene in season 1
Like every other DE shipper out there, I love the MMF dance in 1x19 and I think it's a great scene, perfectly filmed and acted.
However, the choice of favourite DE scene in season 1 can only be one for me:
I absolutely love this scene because it evolves around the essence of DE - honesty, trust and the notion of 'real'. It's Elena at her best and Damon at his most beautiful. Her reaching out to him and not backing down until he puts his walls down. Him showing his vulnerability and his beautiful soul that craves something real in his life. They started bonding in 1x11 but this is the defining moment for them, it's the true beginning of their friendship. Elena taking off her necklace is the ultimate proof of how trusting she really is of Damon and it shakes him to the core - his last words "don't make me regret it" are strained with emotions. They may have hurt and disappointed each other but they are already unable to walk away and take a leap of faith here.
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Post by leandril on Jun 7, 2013 18:32:02 GMT -5
When do you think TVD was heading in the direction of DE?
It was clear from the first episode that the show will be about a girl and two brothers, ergo, a love triangle. I knew it was a question of time before the writers would take Damon and Elena's relationship in a romantic direction. The episode that made me realise that the show is actually going in the direction of DE endgame was 'The Return', one of my favourite TVD episodes ever.
I was shocked when Damon snapped Jeremy's neck but when a devastated and tearful Elena told Stefan that Damon got his wish and she hated him I was all "yay!" Because in light of Katherine's earlier words ("you hate me, Stefan? that sounds like a beginning of a love story to me, not the end of one"), this was the best love twist that writers could have pulled. And I couldn't wait to see how they would take this and make it one of the best love stories ever. Take friendship and turn it into love, piece of cake. Take hatred and turn it into love - masterpiece. This is what DE are to me, the ultimate OTP, one that overcomes every obstacle life throws their way.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 10, 2013 22:49:03 GMT -5
When do you think Elena's feelings started for Damon? Scene/episode to back it up.
This question has been stumping me for a while now. When did her feelings start? It's pretty hard to tell. When was I able to TELL that she definitely had strong feelings for Damon, more than just friend feelings for Damon? I can clearly say I felt that in 2x22. I know it started alot sooner than that, but for clarity's sake the 2x22 kiss proved it to me. Katherine also got that she was feeling strong feelings for Damon when she said it was OK to love them both and that she had.
My answer could change upon rewatching season 2 and perhaps I might see something else that could be more definitive, but for now, that would have been the scene. She was crying. She threw a freaking chair through a window to get to him and she kissed him. I never got the feeling it was a pity kiss, though that was her excuse later, but she wasn't very convincing. Tyler certainly didn't buy it and neither did I.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 10:07:28 GMT -5
When do you think Elena's feelings started for Damon? Scene/episode to back it up. This question has been stumping me for a while now. When did her feelings start? It's pretty hard to tell. When was I able to TELL that she definitely had strong feelings for Damon, more than just friend feelings for Damon? I can clearly say I felt that in 2x22. I know it started alot sooner than that, but for clarity's sake the 2x22 kiss proved it to me. Katherine also got that she was feeling strong feelings for Damon when she said it was OK to love them both and that she had. My answer could change upon rewatching season 2 and perhaps I might see something else that could be more definitive, but for now, that would have been the scene. She was crying. She threw a freaking chair through a window to get to him and she kissed him. I never got the feeling it was a pity kiss, though that was her excuse later, but she wasn't very convincing. Tyler certainly didn't buy it and neither did I. I agree with this also, I'd say 2x22. As you said her desperate need to get to him and when she went beside him on the bed and cried when he said that he loved her. Just as she was crying in 3x22 when she had to let him go. I'll also add that 1x11 and 1x19 could also be where her feelings started. In 1x11 in the road trip she got to spend more time with Damon and see a different side to him and she questioned if the 'act' he was putting on was real. On that road trip is also where we get to see a bit of the old Elena resurface. And when Lexi's boyfriend came and was beating Damon with that metal thing or whatever she was pleading with him desperately to get him to stop. It also helps the quote Lexi's boyfriend said about wanting to be with someone forever you had to turn, which was a forshadowing of DE. Then in 1x19, when Damon and Elena danced, the way Elena was looking at him by the end of it coupled with the song, 'All I Need' for that scene. After the road trip I think this scene also sparked something in her with regards to Damon. |
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Post by sandz2710 on Jun 11, 2013 10:23:56 GMT -5
When do you think Elena's feelings started for Damon? Scene/episode to back it up. This question has been stumping me for a while now. When did her feelings start? It's pretty hard to tell. When was I able to TELL that she definitely had strong feelings for Damon, more than just friend feelings for Damon? I can clearly say I felt that in 2x22. I know it started alot sooner than that, but for clarity's sake the 2x22 kiss proved it to me. Katherine also got that she was feeling strong feelings for Damon when she said it was OK to love them both and that she had. My answer could change upon rewatching season 2 and perhaps I might see something else that could be more definitive, but for now, that would have been the scene. She was crying. She threw a freaking chair through a window to get to him and she kissed him. I never got the feeling it was a pity kiss, though that was her excuse later, but she wasn't very convincing. Tyler certainly didn't buy it and neither did I. I agree with this also, I'd say 2x22. As you said her desperate need to get to him and when she went beside him on the bed and cried when he said that he loved her. Just as she was crying in 3x22 when she had to let him go. I'll also add that 1x11 and 1x19 could also be where her feelings started. In 1x11 in the road trip she got to spend more time with Damon and see a different side to him and she questioned if the 'act' he was putting on was real. On that road trip is also where we get to see a bit of the old Elena resurface. And when Lexi's boyfriend came and was beating Damon with that metal thing or whatever she was pleading with him desperately to get him to stop. It also helps the quote Lexi's boyfriend said about wanting to be with someone forever you had to turn, which was a forshadowing of DE. Then in 1x19, when Damon and Elena danced, the way Elena was looking at him by the end of it coupled with the song, 'All I Need' for that scene. After the road trip I think this scene also sparked something in her with regards to Damon. I love the road trip to Georgia :0) I think Damon proved a lot by not compelling her during that trip as he promised her he wouldn't. Also when they discussed it in another episode he said he didn't want to compel her during that trip because he wanted it to be real! I love the scenes of them doing shots & having fun with Elena not worrying what anyone thought of her! Then Lexie's boyfriend is threatening Damon for him killing Lexie ~ Elena's quick to the rescue talking Lexie's boyfriend down & saving Damon! I also love the way Elena says to Damon later "I saved your life" & he says "I know" ~ I also think this is where the feelings of close friendship & caring start :0) The friendship works between them because Damon is nothing but honest to Elena, he doesn't say one thing & then have to apologise/explain himself later so much (like Stefan always does!)...even if he goes off behind Elena's back to do something to "save" her or someone else then he will be blatantly honest to her if she confronts him about it (Damon owns his actions) Stefan on the other hand would always have an excuse or say "well I was going to tell you about that..." |
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Post by iansfan on Jun 20, 2013 6:46:00 GMT -5
I have a hiatus question. We are DE's and all agree that Damon and Elena belong together. Why is that? Why do we think they are more alike than Stefan and Elena? What do Elena and Damon have in common? Granted people don't have to be alike to attract one another. Often the opposite is true, but when Elena changed and she kept seeing Damon when she was with Stefan and she asked Damon why, he said it was because now she was more like him. Was that the sire bond (sorry...had to ask) or are they that similar? Other than them not being rippers, which most vampires on this show are not, how are they more alike and more suited for each other?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 20, 2013 9:39:42 GMT -5
I have a hiatus question. We are DE's and all agree that Damon and Elena belong together. Why is that? Why do we think they are more alike than Stefan and Elena? What do Elena and Damon have in common? Granted people don't have to be alike to attract one another. Often the opposite is true, but when Elena changed and she kept seeing Damon when she was with Stefan and she asked Damon why, he said it was because now she was more like him. Was that the sire bond (sorry...had to ask) or are they that similar? Other than them not being rippers, which most vampires on this show are not, how are they more alike and more suited for each other? I'll just give what comes off the top of my head. Damon was right when she said she wanted a love that consumes her. She wanted passion and adventure and even a little danger. He said she wants what everyone wants. That's because it's what he wants, too. So they are alike in that. Elena may have been OK with Stefan or even Matt, but it wasn't giving her everything she was looking for. They were both 'safe' (debatable), reliable, stable. She would not be surprised by them. She knew what to expect. But that isn't what she really wanted. When she was talking about Rebekah loving blindly, recklessly even if it consumed her, you see her pause because she's thinking about that kind of love for herself. When she says everything Damon does, he does for love, this is the same thing that motivates Elena. She would give her life to save/protect her family and friends. So would Damon. Elena sees in other people what characteristics she has in herself. She makes just as many rash decisions that endanger her life as Damon does. She takes away Jeremy's choices to protect him. There is nothing Damon does that Elena wouldn't do in the same circumstance to protect those she loves. She is unapologetic about the choices she makes, just like Damon. She told Stefan she wasn't sorry she kissed Damon in 3x10. She told Damon she wasn't sorry she chose to save Matt. She also likes to have fun. She once referred to Stefan as too serious. She often tried to get him to do fun things, like getting him to dance was hard for her. His broody/moody attitude is NOT like her. She's more like Damon in that way. She wants to have fun. I think on the Georgia road trip she had so much fun with Damon that it surprised her and made her see Damon in a new light. When she met Stefan she was mourning, she was sad and that was why SE clicked at that time in her life. There was a time for SE when she needed that feeling of stability in her life when everything was going to hell around her. But now, she is more like herself, the girl she was when Damon met her on the road, full of smiles, happy and looking forward to what the future would bring her to the point that Damon compelled her to get everything she was looking for. He wanted to see that girl continue to be happy. There's alot more similarities and maybe we could make a similarities thread and add stuff as we think of it because I can't think of all of it off the top of my head. |
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Post by iansfan on Jun 20, 2013 14:01:55 GMT -5
You did a really good job, Dopple!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 20, 2013 14:37:35 GMT -5
That was her subconscious mind that told her she was alot more like Damon then she was like Stefan. It wasn't actually Damon telling her that! So she knows she's more like him even if she didn't want to admit it.
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Post by sandz2710 on Jun 20, 2013 15:31:50 GMT -5
That was her subconscious mind that told her she was alot more like Damon then she was like Stefan. It wasn't actually Damon telling her that! So she knows she's more like him even if she didn't want to admit it. I think that when Elena met him she knew Damon was exactly right for her and Rose spotted this too later on...and said this to Jeremy ~ "Are we there yet? Don’t tell them I’m here. They had a fight. I know you want to stop it. Protect her from him. But you’re young, you don’t see what I see. It’s not just that she makes him a better person, she does, but he changes her too. Damon challenges her, surprises her, he makes her question her life, beliefs. Stefan is different, his love is pure, he’ll always be good for her. Damon is either the best thing for her or the worst." ~ Rose was a DE shipper  (that scene in the car from 3x19 with Jeremy, Rose as a ghost, Elena and Damon is one that sticks in my mind and ALWAYS has right from the first time I saw it...) |
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Post by leandril on Jun 20, 2013 15:53:36 GMT -5
I have a hiatus question. We are DE's and all agree that Damon and Elena belong together. Why is that? Why do we think they are more alike than Stefan and Elena? What do Elena and Damon have in common? Granted people don't have to be alike to attract one another. Often the opposite is true, but when Elena changed and she kept seeing Damon when she was with Stefan and she asked Damon why, he said it was because now she was more like him. Was that the sire bond (sorry...had to ask) or are they that similar? Other than them not being rippers, which most vampires on this show are not, how are they more alike and more suited for each other? It is their core emotions, so to speak, that make Elena and Damon essentially the same and set Elena and Stefan apart. Stefan's whole life is driven by guilt and an overriding need of redemption. Elena and Damon are driven by love and passion. Stefan's middle name could be 'I'm sorry', he apologizes so often, for everything and to everybody, while you could count Damon's apologies on one hand. And now that Elena has finally grown up and admitted to herself who she really is and what she wants, what are her words? "NOT sorry"  That's how similar Damon and Elena are. That's my two cents And yeah, I agree with Doppel as well. Again  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 20, 2013 16:44:50 GMT -5
It's sort of a life philosophy. You can either stand still and beat yourself up about what you've done in the past and always live in the past or you can forgive yourself for it and move forward into the future. Both Damon and Elena want to do the right thing by the people they love. They both will bend the rules if it means a loved one will stay safe/alive. We most recently saw it when Elena found out Damon had been bitten again and her last statement had been how she couldn't take the 'only' cure not while so many people wanted it, but as soon as she knew Damon was bitten there was no question what she wanted to do with it, cure him, to hell with everyone else. I thought it was funny that Damon caught onto that right away. Why? Because that's exactly what he would do in the same circumstance if it was Elena.
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Post by sandz2710 on Jun 20, 2013 16:47:35 GMT -5
It's sort of a life philosophy. You can either stand still and beat yourself up about what you've done in the past and always live in the past or you can forgive yourself for it and move forward into the future. Both Damon and Elena want to do the right thing by the people they love. They both will bend the rules if it means a loved one will stay safe/alive. We most recently saw it when Elena found out Damon had been bitten again and her last statement had been how she couldn't take the 'only' cure not while so many people wanted it, but as soon as she knew Damon was bitten there was no question what she wanted to do with it, cure him, to hell with everyone else. I thought it was funny that Damon caught onto that right away. Why? Because that's exactly what he would do in the same circumstance if it was Elena. Yep it's that all consuming love for someone that means you'd do absolutely ANYTHING by them. Either of them would die for the other...or for anybody they loved (as demonstrated by Elena very much in Season 3)... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 16:49:48 GMT -5
I also have a bit of a hiatus question. Although I'm thinking more in the long road, maybe mid/end season 5. But anyways going back to the metaphor of DE being the close knit pair, what do you guys think is something that could potentially break DE up/cause them to split for a while?
lol yes it's something I'm sure we don't want to think about although I wouldn't put it past the writers to give DE this huge blowout where we're asking the will they/will they not find their way back together question.
I can also see DE having an 'unofficial' phase where neither of them knows whether they're still boyfriend/girlfriend.
Like I've said before I can deal with the angst/drama to keep things interesting as long as they don't have some OOC 'stupid' fight that's there just to break them up when it's something they could have easily talked through.
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Post by sandz2710 on Jun 20, 2013 16:52:42 GMT -5
I also have a bit of a hiatus question. Although I'm thinking more in the long road, maybe mid/end season 5. But anyways going back to the metaphor of DE being the close knit pair, what do you guys think is something that could potentially break DE up/cause them to split for a while? lol yes it's something I'm sure we don't want to think about although I wouldn't put it past the writers to give DE this huge blowout where we're asking the will they/will they not find their way back together question. I can also see DE having an 'unofficial' phase where neither of them knows whether they're still boyfriend/girlfriend. Like I've said before I can deal with the angst/drama to keep things interesting as long as they don't have some OOC 'stupid' fight that's there just to break them up when it's something they could have easily talked through. One is going to have to almost completely destroy the trust of the other to cause them to split I think...so it's going to have to be something huge in my eyes! They're both very big on trust & loyalty so I think that would have to be tested to the extreme to cause a break up... |
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(that scene in the car from 3x19 with Jeremy, Rose as a ghost, Elena and Damon is one that sticks in my mind and ALWAYS has right from the first time I saw it...)
That's how similar Damon and Elena are.
