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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:11:45 GMT -5
And don't get me wrong I think you are brave and mad cool to come in here and debate with us. No one else will... And I so love a good debate. So thanks for always doing that and keeping things interesting around here. Hey I try. Its always like going into war with you guys because its like a 100 against one hahahahah but i never let it get to me I know we are all a bunch of stubborn fans who stick with out perspectives and thats that hahahah ;D
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:15:04 GMT -5
Ruby you ALWAYS defend Stefan. ON EVERYTHING! No to be the bearer of bad news but Damon gets more hate in cyber world. You see the Stefan anger/hater from a few DE's on here and you defend him to us. But out there and on the CW Damon got sooooo much hate! It was a weekly debate/fight on the CW board with many ships about Damon. I remember people would make posting that he should just die, that he was nonredeemable, not worthy of love... I even remember people went as far as to make fun of Ian's looks... saying Damon had pock marks etc etc. So yes we here because there are more DE's and the SE's I guess didn't like to debate with us because at one time we had equal members and for some reason one debate and I'm serious one debate made them leave? They didn't have to leave and I miss their presence but debates are just that....debates. So now our site is a little lop sided when it comes to ships. So you see a lot of Stefan debates here. But out there on twitter, tumblr and other sites especially the one where they post interviews Damon gets bashed HORRIBLY! You know whats funny though. In other sites I defend Damon hahaha lol This honestly is my main Forum I participate in. And the difference is that Im not bashing on a character Im just defending. Its straining sometimes to see all the stefan bashing that goes on here. I get it you guys love Damon. Hell Damon is probably my favorite character on TVD but he definitely doesn't need defending here lol
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 18, 2013 12:21:08 GMT -5
Ruby you ALWAYS defend Stefan. ON EVERYTHING! No to be the bearer of bad news but Damon gets more hate in cyber world. You see the Stefan anger/hater from a few DE's on here and you defend him to us. But out there and on the CW Damon got sooooo much hate! It was a weekly debate/fight on the CW board with many ships about Damon. I remember people would make posting that he should just die, that he was nonredeemable, not worthy of love... I even remember people went as far as to make fun of Ian's looks... saying Damon had pock marks etc etc. So yes we here because there are more DE's and the SE's I guess didn't like to debate with us because at one time we had equal members and for some reason one debate and I'm serious one debate made them leave? They didn't have to leave and I miss their presence but debates are just that....debates. So now our site is a little lop sided when it comes to ships. So you see a lot of Stefan debates here. But out there on twitter, tumblr and other sites especially the one where they post interviews Damon gets bashed HORRIBLY! You know whats funny though. In other sites I defend Damon hahaha lol This honestly is my main Forum I participate in. And the difference is that Im not bashing on a character Im just defending. Its straining sometimes to see all the stefan bashing that goes on here. I get it you guys love Damon. Hell Damon is probably my favorite character on TVD but he definitely doesn't need defending here lol But do you understand why we are the way we are? We went from a site where we had to literally defend Damon 24/7!!! He is this and that and we hate Damon parades all day! So we come here and after all the crap we had been through there we just have to defend our man. It was like this.... Stefan bashing thread (how dare anyone make this) of (Stefan opinion thread) why are we making bashing threads and then there was We hate Damon, Damon sucks threads all over and no one would say anything but us even though we had the biggest thread count there we were still up against Damon hate in every corner. So coming here we are a bit defensive and we will ride or die with our boy until the bitter end. I want Damon, my favorite character to be happy. He loves Elena and I think he is deserving of that love so therefore I am a DE. I love the way both characters have changed each other and I also love how while we are supposed to be watching this SE love story, a love story in our face another one is being told in the background. One that was slowly building, burning and igniting.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 12:29:58 GMT -5
The way I see this whole sire bond situation is that the roles have now been reversed. Stefan is still in the running for sure because Elena loves him. It's not over. It's just finally a triangle now and yay for that! There are so many ways I could envision Elena falling back in love with Stefan at some point so SEs need to relax a bit, sit back and enjoy the hell that is being the odd man out like we did for 3.5 years. We'll be enjoying our time in the sun over here which no doubt will be short lived. I have no delusions on that. Now, for the last time, the sire bond works like this: It is activated by feelings It does not affect feelings It only affects actionsSo, it isn't going to make Elena fall out of love with Stefan. It isn't going to make Elena fall in love with Damon. It can make her do things to please her sire, but it can't make her feel things she doesn't feel. If Elena did not love Damon she'd be questioning her actions a whole lot more. Damon doesn't give her many direct commands but he did when he told her to go home and did you see her reaction to how she thought she needed to get in the car and leave him? She didn't want to, but she had to, because he had commanded her to. THAT was the sire bond in action. Elena loving Damon was not something he commanded her to do and even if he had, the sire bond could not make her love him. She still questions the commands but has to carry them out so that is when we see it happening. She isn't questioning how she feels about Damon. She isn't questioning anything she's done with Damon. Prior to this episode I was unsure how deep her feelings were and still wondering if everything she had 'done' like sleeping with Damon and the things she had said to him were sire bond commanded, although we didn't see him give any commands. We didn't see him say, "I want to sleep with you," or anything leading to that, that was Damon prompted, but still I wanted to know how she felt about him and why she was sired at all. What were these human feelings she had that made her become sired? That was all answered in this episode. She loves Damon and she slept with Damon because she loves him. So like JP said, the sire bond is a tiny bump. Once it's broken her feelings are still going to be the same. That doesn't mean they can't change again later.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:30:55 GMT -5
See the thing is when I was in the CW boards there were so many threads where everything was properly placed. They had the Damon hating threads The stefan hating thread and coming into this show as an overall fan I never went into those threads I never went into the Damon and Elena Thread, I never went into Stefan and Elena thread. I went into the threads about what wa going down in the episode itself…the threads that were made about a certain storyline. I went from that to coming here and EVERYTHING WAS/IS DE majority All the discussions DE or Not go down in the DE threads. Episode discussions go down in there etc so I had to go into them and all the stuff I used to see I was like dang poor stefan So guess thats where my defending went And then to top it off and NO OFFENSE to THE MODS HERE AND DOPEL AS BEING ADMIN but you all are DE Shippers. There was ONe SE MOD and she is not here anymore. I know for a fact the SEs didn't leave because of one debate. It was more to them then that. You guys kind of turned this place into the one thing you hated in the CW boards in regards to the hate of a character without realizing it. But after all of that I still like it here. It was my refuge when stupid CW closed out the forums and where most of the fans there came too So i don't regret nothing. I like interacting with all you guys And I really hope I don't get in trouble for this post. Im just being honest. Maybe we shut take it to a private message ;D
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 12:40:10 GMT -5
I don't want it to be just DE but if SEs won't stay and stick together what can I do? I did purposely get an SE mod but like you said she isn't very active. I keep hoping more SEs will join but almost all our new members are DE and out in the cyber world ther are more DEs then SEs too! We have separated the board so you aren't going to see any character bashing in the main boards, just debates (where you need to have your flame proof armor on ) and ship threads (which are meant for that ship's eyes only). But the SEs still got all sensitive about it and I can't do anything about that. First if it bothers people they shouldn't go into opposing shipper threads. I saw a whole lot of Damon bashing in their threads too. It isn't one sided. I like to post in the DE threads because my opinion can be very sided and everything I say will have a DE spin on it because that is all I really care about the show for, is DE so I think for me it's best to stay in the shipper threads for the most part. I don't want to upset people who aren't DE with the things I say so I say them there and that is my reasoning for it. I suppose I could double post spoilers but again, everyone is in the DE thread reading them for the most part as well. But I can if that would make you and other non-DEers happier. I'd be happy to open a discussion about how non-DEers would like this board to be more friendly to other ships. I'm all ears. But, I am not going to take away people's ability to say what they feel about certain characters and that goes for all of them. The only real rule is not to bash/disrespect other board members and though it hasn't happened bash on the real people who play those characters.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:48:22 GMT -5
Im already how used to everything goes down here as far as the threads.. I guess maybe have episode discussion threads open for all fans oppose to just discussing it in the DE? I know you guys are hardcore when it comes to DE I've seen and witnessed it But you not going to attract any SEs here if everything goes down in the DE thread So maybe you can start with the episode discussion thread =)
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 12:49:13 GMT -5
Another reason the board is more heavily DE is that the people who left to come here were active in the DE threads at the CW for the most part. All were invited to come but alot of the other ships probably didn't like us that much and they scattered to other places many of which have now been shut down or had such little activity that they just quit posting. So at least we are still alive and together here and I would love to see the others show up whenever they want to come and I would love to try to make it more 'other ship' friendly so they will come.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:51:38 GMT -5
I agree with this I know people have strong feelings good/bad towards characters. so I'm ok with this
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 12:51:56 GMT -5
Im already how used to everything goes down here as far as the threads.. I guess maybe have episode discussion threads open for all fans oppose to just discussing it in the DE? I know you guys are hardcore when it comes to DE I've seen and witnessed it But you not going to attract any SEs here if everything goes down in the DE thread So maybe you can start with the episode discussion thread =) So, if I double post the spoilers would that be helpful? I guess I read all the darn threads anyway to moderate so I can do that. If I have a non DE heavily laced thing to say (rare ) I can post it in the regular threads. Any other suggestions? And I am GLAD you brought this up so we can make everyone feel welcome here.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:52:31 GMT -5
Another reason the board is more heavily DE is that the people who left to come here were active in the DE threads at the CW for the most part. All were invited to come but alot of the other ships probably didn't like us that much and they scattered to other places many of which have now been shut down or had such little activity that they just quit posting. So at least we are still alive and together here and I would love to see the others show up whenever they want to come and I would love to try to make it more 'other ship' friendly so they will come. Its still possible! just have to recruit haha =D
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 18, 2013 12:53:11 GMT -5
I remember there was a Kat debate and after that debate everyone left. We never went into their bubble and we never brought anything they said into ours and vice versa so no one should know what others said unless they'd venture into them. And you venture into a DE thread well that's at your own risk just like venturing into a SE thread. I did it recently because I saw a DE post in there and I had to let her know how things work because what little SE's we have we want to keep. So if an SE wants to be here but doesn't want to hear our very strong and I mean strong love for Damon and sometimes anger toward Stefan don;t go to the debates! Don't debate us and definitely don't go venturing into threads you know will make you angry! It's that easy! This site could have worked and if I'm not wrong there were two SE mods. This site was started by the original DE's who were on a Facebook page together and decided to create the board. So of course there would be more DE mods but I know of two SE mods. I would love for there to be more if more people came around. Honestly only like 4 DE mods actually come here regularly now and myself included in that. A few kinda drifted off.
I'm just saying debates can get ugly. That is what debating was and I felt SE's would venture into our debates and not like what we wrote about Stefan. But that is the safe place to debate a character and not have someone angry that your debating or even bashing him to an extent if the bashing is in a form of debating. Like Stefan is a horrible brother because A B C... Debate this.
I wish all the SE's would come back and I'm so happy to see a lot of them coming here again. I hope they all come back! I miss a lot of them. A Lot of them were my friends on the CW. I just hope that when they do if they don't like debates they stay out of the threads because they wont like whats being debated. If more SE's came the debate boards could be dominated by them and then we would be in the minority defending Damon.
Anyway I welcome every person or every ship to this board! It's not the Damon diaries although in my world it is, but on this board it's the Vampire Dairies and I hope people will come here and feel like they can go in their threads and feel safe!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 12:57:08 GMT -5
Another reason the board is more heavily DE is that the people who left to come here were active in the DE threads at the CW for the most part. All were invited to come but alot of the other ships probably didn't like us that much and they scattered to other places many of which have now been shut down or had such little activity that they just quit posting. So at least we are still alive and together here and I would love to see the others show up whenever they want to come and I would love to try to make it more 'other ship' friendly so they will come. Its still possible! just have to recruit haha =D That's the trick. You can't really recruit people off other boards. That's a no no. I do have the board listed on my twitter and mention it and have invited people to join many times. Out of my 300 followers I don't think I've gotten many over here though. I also posted to search engines and I'm limited in what I can do to attract members with the board code with this freebie board. Any ideas there? I'm a DE too so the peeps I talk to are also DE which doesn't help attract other ships. Our DE spoiler thread gets pretty good traffic and placement on Google so I do like to keep that thread very active so maybe it will draw more people in.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 12:58:09 GMT -5
I remember there was a Kat debate and after that debate everyone left. We never went into their bubble and we never brought anything they said into ours and vice versa so no one should know what others said unless they'd venture into them. And you venture into a DE thread well that's at your own risk just like venturing into a SE thread. I did it recently because I saw a DE post in there and I had to let her know how things work because what little SE's we have we want to keep. So if an SE wants to be here but doesn't want to hear our very strong and I mean strong love for Damon and sometimes anger toward Stefan don;t go to the debates! Don't debate us and definitely don't go venturing into threads you know will make you angry! It's that easy! This site could have worked and if I'm not wrong there were two SE mods. This site was started by the original DE's who were on a Facebook page together and decided to create the board. So of course there would be more DE mods but I know of two SE mods. I would love for there to be more if more people came around. Honestly only like 4 DE mods actually come here regularly now and myself included in that. A few kinda drifted off. I'm just saying debates can get ugly. That is what debating was and I felt SE's would venture into our debates and not like what we wrote about Stefan. But that is the safe place to debate a character and not have someone angry that your debating or even bashing him to an extent if the bashing is in a form of debating. Like Stefan is a horrible brother because A B C... Debate this. I wish all the SE's would come back and I'm so happy to see a lot of them coming here again. I hope they all come back! I miss a lot of them. A Lot of them were my friends on the CW. I just hope that when they do if they don't like debates they stay out of the threads because they wont like whats being debated. If more SE's came the debate boards could be dominated by them and then we would be in the minority defending Damon. Anyway I welcome every person or every ship to this board! It's not the Damon diaries although in my world it is, but on this board it's the Vampire Dairies and I hope people will come here and feel like they can go in their threads and feel safe! ' Hey Im the only one who actually debates hahahaah i don't remember a Kat debate and I venture from time to time in The DE thread not as much as i used to because I realized I couldn't argue points in there Sprry my Alter Ego was to be a lawyer lmao but became a designer instead go figure hahahah but I get it its never too late to welcome back the SE especially the ones who used to post.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 13:00:39 GMT -5
I suppose I should make a board specific twitter account and keep that updated. Damn I need more time in the day.
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