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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 17, 2013 23:00:34 GMT -5
Starting a new thread so we can discuss just the newest information on the sire bond. Now that we have seen 4x10 and heard what Elena's feelings are for Damon, I feel like we have more information to discuss this with as her feelings were always in question before this. What exactly did she feel for Damon? Well, both Tyler and Nandi said that the sire bond DOES NOT AFFECT FEELINGS. I emphasize that because it is important.
Elena has now confessed to loving Damon and not just loving Damon, but no longer being 'in love' with Stefan. There's a big distinction there that we have been discussing in the DE threads for ages, long before the sire bond was a part of the show.
Elena has admitted she loves Damon. The sire bond does not affect those feelings. Therefore she loved Damon when she was human and those feelings are what caused the sire bond to happen. She just wasn't fully aware of what she felt for Damon nor did she really understand it and the distinction between love and being 'in love' with someone.
Rebekah's interrogation brought out the full truth of it. She is no longer in love with Stefan and that is why she was sired to Damon and that is why her feelings for Damon trumped her feelings for Stefan when she was turned.
No matter what answer anyone gives it is a fact that the sire bond does not affect her feelings. It does not make her love Damon more, as confirmed by two people who knew how it worked.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 17, 2013 23:11:23 GMT -5
I agree that it doesnt affect feelings but it never said anything about not blinding her from everything else. There is no way that Elena was willing to let Damon go right when he was dying to go be with Stefan because she loved Damon more...
The sire bond definitely heightened Elenas feelings for Damon. Not just the Vampirism but the sire bond. and thats why I cant really take elena serious with her feelings.
Idk if it was the writer's mistake or they did it on purpose but Damon says it "You know what will make me happy" (KEY WORDS IN THE SIRE BOND) that this whole time ive been in love with you your feelings have been real. NOW THEY ARE REAL
before that happened....Elena confessed to stefan that something happened between her and Damon
then Elena confesses to the girls that she slept with Damon and That she thinks shes falling in love with him.
Then Damon convo and now her feelings are real and Now she slept with Damon because she was in love with him already.
Elena is all over the place with her feelings. I just want get over the whole sire bond so we can see what she truly feels and ill take it from there. Damon or Stefan. Ill be okay with that
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 17, 2013 23:23:57 GMT -5
The sire bond doesn't affect feelings. No matter what Damon said to her it can't change her feelings, only her actions. Like Tyler said, he still hated Klaus but he did what he said and I remember him being so confused about the things he did as opposed to how he felt. It can't make her love him. It is real. I think it's pretty obvious now. Up to today none of us knew if Elena loved Damon and so it was alot more iffy as to why she was sired and exactly how intense those feelings were as a human but now it's pretty crystal clear. Those were feelings she never told anyone and feelings I think she even denied to herself but Rebekah brought it all out of her. She is no longer in love with Stefan and she is in love with Damon. Those are the feelings that sired her to him. Now it's just actions and free will that they are trying to let free.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 17, 2013 23:30:35 GMT -5
Sorry but I disagree....not suprisingly Tyler actually liked Klaus. Was grateful for what he did for him until all his friends were in danger and he made him bite Caroline He was loyal. and this sirebond is different from Tylers because of her est feelings for Damon from before she turned. So this sirebond plays different from Tylers. Feelings are involved. And even in the books the sirebond made stefan a memory in elena's eyes. And even Damon has his doubts
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 17, 2013 23:38:32 GMT -5
Rewatch what Tyler said about Klaus to Elena. Why would you conclude that feelings are involved when both Tyler and Nandi said they weren't? I think they are the experts on sire bonds in the show.
Damon has his doubts, or did, because that's Damon. Even I had my doubts until this episode and Elena clearing that all up about what she felt for the brothers.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 17, 2013 23:44:04 GMT -5
i dont disagree with her feelings for damon. we all knew she had them but the extent of her feelings i cant take seriously. thats what i mean. the fact that Elena choose to go to Stefan before he died and then told stefan while she was dying from the transition that he was the best choice she made and then the roof scene doesnt mean anything? That no more then two weeks later shes not in love with Stefan anymore? I dont buy it sorry. Thats the sirebond talking in my eyes. And I will hold that arguement until it is broken. And if she feels the same way she said she feels in todays episode then, I will ADMIT i was wrong and explore Delena.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 17, 2013 23:46:43 GMT -5
Basically everything changed with this episode. Elena said what she felt for the brothers under a truth compulsion and he feelings are not affected by the sire bond. There is nothing more to say on that matter. The only conclusion is that the sire bond has only effected what she does, not what she feels and she feels quite alot for Damon as we know now. She loves him and she is no longer in love with Stefan and none of that is a result of the sire bond.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 17, 2013 23:56:55 GMT -5
i dont disagree with her feelings for damon. we all knew she had them but the extent of her feelings i cant take seriously. thats what i mean. the fact that Elena choose to go to Stefan before he died and then told stefan while she was dying from the transition that he was the best choice she made and then the roof scene doesnt mean anything? That no more then two weeks later shes not in love with Stefan anymore? I dont buy it sorry. Thats the sirebond talking in my eyes. And I will hold that arguement until it is broken. And if she feels the same way she said she feels in todays episode then, I will ADMIT i was wrong and explore Delena. Honestly, yes, that's what it means and welcome to the murky world of Elena Gilbert's feelings. If you didn't see the very artificial cheesiness to the roof scene then you missed what I think was obvious. She was making it up as she went along, and didn't it register that she said, "if I want?" and "I can't think about forever, I can only think about right now?" It is what she thought she should want, not what she wanted and not what she felt. Go back to the flashback in 3x22 and you'll see that she was caught between doing what other people wanted her to do and what her heart wanted her to do. I think that flashback showed alot more of Elena's feelings and I think this episode today showed us what she really felt in all it's ugly truthfulness for Stefan but it is what it is.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 17, 2013 23:58:18 GMT -5
Basically everything changed with this episode. Elena said what she felt for the brothers under a truth compulsion and he feelings are not affected by the sire bond. There is nothing more to say on that matter. The only conclusion is that the sire bond has only effected what she does, not what she feels and she feels quite alot for Damon as we know now. She loves him and she is no longer in love with Stefan and none of that is a result of the sire bond. Really Nothing more to say as if what you say is fact? if that was the case Damon would not had doubted Elena's feelings because he heard the same thing Stefan heard when the witch spoke about the feelings. She said In order for the sire bond to be intact the person had to have human feelings before she turned and the Vampirism Heightens it. Tyler's statement confirmed his Sirebond to Klaus which was a different sirebond because he was loyal to his master. The vampire sirebond has to do with feelings in the midst of it. SO who know what else it does. Elena could possibly be in love with Damon but I dont buy that shes not in love with Stefan anymore. I will stand by that until its confirmed when the sirebond is broken
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 0:01:30 GMT -5
It isn't what I say, it's what the show said, Ruby. It doesn't affect her feelings...period. Damon doubted her feelings for him and how strong they were and how that affected her actions toward him. We now know she loves him. I had no idea either and how much she felt for him so it makes quite alot of difference that she has now said she loves him and is not 'in love' with Stefan anymore and all the other stuff about what it is that makes her feel that way about the two of them.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 0:03:46 GMT -5
Well this show has the tendacy to contradicting themselves or adding more to a story so ill take it when elena is free. Because if shes not in love with Stefan anymore then thats the end of the triangle per say and i doubt they will take that on so soon.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 0:06:20 GMT -5
You definitely have a point with that. They could turn the whole thing on it's head at any time and fudge on what they said was the rules but it would just be a sucky thing to do at this point.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 18, 2013 0:08:18 GMT -5
Well this show has the tendacy to contradicting themselves or adding more to a story so ill take it when elena is free. Because if shes not in love with Stefan anymore then thats the end of the triangle per say and i doubt they will take that on so soon. That also doesn't make it the end of the triangle any more than her being in love with Stefan and not Damon did before. This thing is not over til the end of the series I think.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 0:09:44 GMT -5
Thats why im saying that I will stick to my guns while this sirebond is still in effect as so will you we are a bunch of stubborn/hardheaded fans hahahahaah
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 18, 2013 0:10:59 GMT -5
Well this show has the tendacy to contradicting themselves or adding more to a story so ill take it when elena is free. Because if shes not in love with Stefan anymore then thats the end of the triangle per say and i doubt they will take that on so soon. That also doesn't make it the end of the triangle any more than her being in love with Stefan and not Damon did before. This thing is not over til the end of the series I think. but its different in these terms of events. If she truly not in love with stefan anymore how can she possibly fall back in love with him? TO HELL WITH THIS TRIANGLE LOL
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