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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 15:45:19 GMT -5
I think Stefan can control it. He is just scared to try. All Elena needs is for Stefan to go over the deep end right now. So out of fear he won't try, but I think if Damon wasn't so willing and Elena just leaned on Stefan he would be able to control it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 15:48:27 GMT -5
Hmmm....seems now Stefan has 'run off' to find a cure and isn't helping Elena adapt to being a vampire now. After she rejected animal blood he was at a loss for what he could do to help her. Even in 1912 I don't think Damon knew how to deal with Stefan. He was being mentored by Sage himself at that time and as I recall he was feeding but not getting any enjoyment out of it until he met Sage. While Damon may blame himself now for not helping Stefan then, I don't think he had all the tools he has now to really be able to help him overcome it, like Stefan doesn't have the tools to help Elena now. Blaming himself doesn't mean he was to blame or that he would have been able to help Stefan overcome it but chose not to. It's come full circle the way I see it. Damon wants to help Stefan and said he would help Stefan but now Elena needs help more having just turned. Really it's only Stefan that has all this bitterness going on toward Damon now, when TVD started it was Damon who was bitter. Stefan said he didn't think Damon would help him now but he didn't ask, did he and honestly right now Elena needs him more. Stefan's waited 145+ years, he can wait until Elena is stabilized to get Damon's help and I really do hope that happens because it would help to bring them closer together now. The brother relationship is complicated and I just was making the point that without Lexi Stefan would be way worse off. So it does not matter if it was the wrong way she was all he had. |
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Post by liajones on Nov 17, 2012 15:51:04 GMT -5
Even if she had faith in him, Stefan needs to control the blood lust which he hasn't succeeded in yet. so he needs time and she's a newbie she needs to learn. what is she supposed to do while Stefan is controlling his cravings, starve herself. remember she can't feed on anything other than from the vein. She need to be taught how and so does Stefan. IMO a crippled man can't teach another how to walk.
as for Damon being so willing, you can't expect him to walk away fro the girl he loves when she's in need and his brother can't help her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 15:52:38 GMT -5
Even if she had faith in him, Stefan needs to control the blood lust which he hasn't succeeded in yet. so he needs time and she's a newbie she needs to learn. what is she supposed to do while Stefan is controlling his cravings, starve herself. remember she can't feed on anything other than from the vein. She need to be taught how and so does Stefan. IMO a crippled man can't teach another how to walk. as for Damon being so willing, you can't expect him to walk away fro the girl he loves when she's in need and his brother can't help her. I don't blame Damon AT ALL I am just saying if the situation was different I think Stefan would have no choice, but to test himself. A test I think he would pass. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 17, 2012 15:54:18 GMT -5
I don't read Stelena tumblr posts. They tend to aggravate me.  All I'm doing is looking at the show and what was said in the show and he does not feel like he can help her, thus the urgency to getting the cure. I hope it doesn't endanger Jeremy is my main concern with that. Elena never said she didn't want Stefan's help but she knows he could go Ripper and they'd lose him again for however long it took to bring him back again and that's not worth the risk. So Damon is helping her and yes Elena trusts Damon and sometimes more than Stefan. She trusted him last season without hesitation. It took a long time for that to happen, but he earned it. This is getting more into Elena's changing feelings for Damon but even Stefan recognized that she trusts Damon now more than him but it didn't happen overnight. Stefan is relatively back to his old self again, but her feelings for Damon continued to grow while her feelings for Stefan didn't. He saw it and that's why he called it off isn't it? Because he realizes that even when he isn't the Ripper she's moving closer to Damon and away from him and I don't think it all hinges on who helps her feed. She said her feelings that she had AS A HUMAN for Damon grew (magnified) when she turned or really as she's going along here as a vampire. So the feelings were there, just suppressed but now she can't suppress them anymore. That's my take on it anyway. I guess we'll see what happens next, no doubt some twist I'll hate but that's how this show goes, sometimes your ship is up and sometimes it's down. |
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Post by liajones on Nov 17, 2012 15:54:59 GMT -5
actually if the situation was different, she would have gone to Caroline imo.
i am not implying in any way that Stefan doesn't want to help Elena, he surely does, but i'm just saying that he can't cuz his problem with cravings is way worse than hers.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 17, 2012 15:55:37 GMT -5
Hmmm....seems now Stefan has 'run off' to find a cure and isn't helping Elena adapt to being a vampire now. After she rejected animal blood he was at a loss for what he could do to help her. Even in 1912 I don't think Damon knew how to deal with Stefan. He was being mentored by Sage himself at that time and as I recall he was feeding but not getting any enjoyment out of it until he met Sage. While Damon may blame himself now for not helping Stefan then, I don't think he had all the tools he has now to really be able to help him overcome it, like Stefan doesn't have the tools to help Elena now. Blaming himself doesn't mean he was to blame or that he would have been able to help Stefan overcome it but chose not to. It's come full circle the way I see it. Damon wants to help Stefan and said he would help Stefan but now Elena needs help more having just turned. Really it's only Stefan that has all this bitterness going on toward Damon now, when TVD started it was Damon who was bitter. Stefan said he didn't think Damon would help him now but he didn't ask, did he and honestly right now Elena needs him more. Stefan's waited 145+ years, he can wait until Elena is stabilized to get Damon's help and I really do hope that happens because it would help to bring them closer together now. The brother relationship is complicated and I just was making the point that without Lexi Stefan would be way worse off. So it does not matter if it was the wrong way she was all he had. This is true. She did help him to live relatively normally between Ripper bouts, but a permanent solution would be better so he wouldn't have to be afraid of going Ripper doing things like helping Elena. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 15:59:18 GMT -5
Well you miss out I think. I read DE stuff all the time. They aggravate me sometimes, but at least I know both sides. This one was SE, but it was pretty insightful and interesting look at Elena's conscious during the whole Katherine/Elena scene. You probably would not agree, but I think you would still find it interesting. There was no bashing at all in it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 16:01:00 GMT -5
actually if the situation was different, she would have gone to Caroline imo. i am not implying in any way that Stefan doesn't want to help Elena, he surely does, but i'm just saying that he can't cuz his problem with cravings is way worse than hers. Yes that is what is being said. I guess I just have faith in Stefan's strength. I mean I just think back to the scene when he fought off Klaus's compulsion. He eventually lost, but what a fight. He is stronger then him or anyone else is giving him credit for right now. |
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Post by liajones on Nov 17, 2012 16:05:29 GMT -5
what you're missing out is that he lost! i don't think any one can afford for him to lose cuz if he did he will bring Elena down with him.
that been said, overcoming blood cravings is not an overnight process, it need time. Do you think Elena can wait for him that much so he can teach her how to feed? i think not
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Post by Doppelgänger on Nov 17, 2012 16:06:11 GMT -5
actually if the situation was different, she would have gone to Caroline imo. i am not implying in any way that Stefan doesn't want to help Elena, he surely does, but i'm just saying that he can't cuz his problem with cravings is way worse than hers. Yes that is what is being said. I guess I just have faith in Stefan's strength. I mean I just think back to the scene when he fought off Klaus's compulsion. He eventually lost, but what a fight. He is stronger then him or anyone else is giving him credit for right now. Maybe, but then again he gave in to the blood lust with Amber because he thought he could handle it with the blood bags. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 16:07:51 GMT -5
Damon has lost control too and I think they have both come a long way.
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Post by liajones on Nov 17, 2012 16:07:53 GMT -5
i saw the tumblr post and its interesting in a way, but we knew from day one that she was afraid Stefan will hate her. but if she's afraid of losing Stefan why run into another man's arms? just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 16:10:21 GMT -5
actually if the situation was different, she would have gone to Caroline imo. i am not implying in any way that Stefan doesn't want to help Elena, he surely does, but i'm just saying that he can't cuz his problem with cravings is way worse than hers. He lost, but what a fight. I mean seriously given the circumstances after that StefanFTW for all time. I rewatch that scene because it so powerful when he pushes him and screams "No!" how can you not root for him. He stabbed himself to fight it off. Stefan is strong and if he was not so scared to become all ripper and if everyone else was not so scared for him to all ripper I truly think he would be able to control himself. Confidence is key! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 16:12:08 GMT -5
i saw the tumblr post and its interesting in a way, but we knew from day one that she was afraid Stefan will hate her. but if she's afraid of losing Stefan why run into another man's arms? just saying. Who said that is what she is going to to do. Stefan broke up with her. We have yet to see what Elena is going to to do. |
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