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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 21:27:54 GMT -5
I think he meant fix what he did. I mean stefan in the beginning was feeling guilt for her being a vampire remember.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 21:28:52 GMT -5
Did you miss the laughing face beside my comment? I was joking JOKING. I don't want to strangle Stefan. OK, maybe a little bit.   I admitted to over reacting!! sorry...  I know. I just wanted to make sure you knew I was kidding around. Besides I love Paul even if he does drive me crazy as Stefan. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 21:45:18 GMT -5
I think he meant fix what he did. I mean stefan in the beginning was feeling guilt for her being a vampire remember. I think that's part of it but there was definitely more to it than that. We were talking about in the DE threads, how he kept saying repeatedly stuff like she's not herself, she's not supposed to be a vampire, etc. Well duh, nobody is supposed to be a vampire and nobody acts exactly the same once they are. We've seen that. I think his attitude made Elena feel what she felt about everything. He didn't accept her in her current state and help her, other than the one time with the animal blood. Damon did accept her and he told she was OK the way she was and he helped her adapt to being a vampire, cause let's face it, that's what she is right now and we don't know if she's ever going to be human again. Even Caroline struggled with adapting. Neither of them wanted to be a vampire so nothing Elena said was unusual about her situation. At this point Elena has adapted and Stefan was still distant to her all along. Then he told her he wanted to break up with her. What was she supposed to conclude from all that? It was not a leap for her to conclude what she did about how he felt about her. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 21:45:42 GMT -5
ACTUALLY when I said it was bullsh*t it was my own opinion LIke I said it was her truth but doesnt mean I had to like it
What could Elena sense? The stuff that Stefan said were true. She was spiralling she was feeling a strong sense of rage, grief, crying etc
The elena he knew before was able to handle it well and now that everything was magnified she wasnt as good as pretending or w.e the case may had been
When Stefan said Fix all this I honestly believe it was what he did, his decision on saving Matt first. And for the record Stefan didnt leave Elena to die he didnt choose Matt over Elena he choose to save him first. That whole scene just pisses me off because it was written so poorly
He didnt want her to become someone who would turn her humanity off and thats what he thought. He didnt want her to even have to go through that pain.
And yes killing mason was killing mason but Shoving it in Katherine's face was a different story. After Stefan warned him not to.
And the whole plan thing wouldve worked if he didnt get in the way.
Stefan was able to stall Conner from KIlling Jeremy, Got Elena out the way from the HUnter killing her and could have escaped with the hunter leaving NO1 to have the hallucinations.
Stefan wouldve had to face his brother after probably doing the whole ripping the heart scene if u dont tell ur big brother what u upto and Stefan wouldve told him anyway and confessed it bc Stefan is pretty bad at keeping things from his brother.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 21:46:46 GMT -5
Also during their break up Elena pointed out how Strong Stefan had been for her through it all.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 21:53:53 GMT -5
ACTUALLY when I said it was bullsh*t it was my own opinion LIke I said it was her truth but doesnt mean I had to like it What could Elena sense? The stuff that Stefan said were true. She was spiralling she was feeling a strong sense of rage, grief, crying etc The elena he knew before was able to handle it well and now that everything was magnified she wasnt as good as pretending or w.e the case may had been When Stefan said Fix all this I honestly believe it was what he did, his decision on saving Matt first. And for the record Stefan didnt leave Elena to die he didnt choose Matt over Elena he choose to save him first. That whole scene just pisses me off because it was written so poorly He didnt want her to become someone who would turn her humanity off and thats what he thought. He didnt want her to even have to go through that pain. And yes killing mason was killing mason but Shoving it in Katherine's face was a different story. After Stefan warned him not to. And the whole plan thing wouldve worked if he didnt get in the way. Stefan was able to stall Conner from KIlling Jeremy, Got Elena out the way from the HUnter killing her and could have escaped with the hunter leaving NO1 to have the hallucinations. Stefan wouldve had to face his brother after probably doing the whole ripping the heart scene if u dont tell ur big brother what u upto and Stefan wouldve told him anyway and confessed it bc Stefan is pretty bad at keeping things from his brother. Well, I for one felt the same way about what Stefan thought about Elena after she turned, that she was no longer good enough for him and therefore he had to fix her so this did not come out of the blue. We talked about it in the DE threads long before Elena confirmed she felt it so the writing for it is there. Your point on Mason is still irrelevent. Damon did not make Katherine do anything. And if Stefan had been honest about what he was trying to do with Connor they could have worked together AND kept him alive AND Jeremy wouldn't be in the boat he's in now. So, let's not play the blame game shall we? Damon was still going with plan A, make sure the hunter dies and if Stefan had told him why they wanted to keep him alive, then I'm sure he would have gone with another plan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 21:56:43 GMT -5
I really think it was more guilt that she was a vampire being that he could have saved her. He could have spared her this fate. I do not think he meant it the way you are saying.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 22:00:19 GMT -5
lmao im not blaming anyone hun thats one
two Damon didnt make Katherine do anything but he did provoke her he even admitted that
And yea if Stefan wouldve been honest from the beginning about the cure then sure it wouldve worked out better but If Damon thought Stefan was compelled or made a plan with Klaus....wouldnt he wonder what plan could he had made with Klaus'? It has to either be about Elena or me.(Damon)
And Stefan never said he couldnt love Elena like that. He confessed it to Caroline 4x03: Stefan confessing to Caroline that he wants to help Elena enjoy being a vampire without her feeling the shame and guilt but he cannot because if he does he will risk becoming the Ripper. I love her but i dont want to hold her back and I want to enjoy it too but I need help. (Admitting he needs help)
Willing to seek help with his ripper ways in order to help Elena further
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 22:01:15 GMT -5
I really think it was more guilt that she was a vampire being that he could have saved her. He could have spared her this fate. I do not think he meant it the way you are saying. Well that's not what Elena thinks. I thought it was probably a combination of alot of things, his guilt his fear of his blood lust and his need to have her human because he obviously did not like her being a vampire. It was pretty clear when he said, "She not supposed to be this person. I don't want her to be." He didn't say SHE doesn't want to be, did he? |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 22:03:01 GMT -5
But she didnt want to be that person either I pointed out all the times she said it throughout the course of her being a vamp
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 22:03:10 GMT -5
lmao im not blaming anyone hun thats one two Damon didnt make Katherine do anything but he did provoke her he even admitted that And yea if Stefan wouldve been honest from the beginning about the cure then sure it wouldve worked out better but If Damon thought Stefan was compelled or made a plan with Klaus....wouldnt he wonder what plan could he had made with Klaus'? It has to either be about Elena or me.(Damon) And Stefan never said he couldnt love Elena like that. He confessed it to Caroline 4x03: Stefan confessing to Caroline that he wants to help Elena enjoy being a vampire without her feeling the shame and guilt but he cannot because if he does he will risk becoming the Ripper. I love her but i dont want to hold her back and I want to enjoy it too but I need help. (Admitting he needs help) Willing to seek help with his ripper ways in order to help Elena further Don't get condescending with me Ruby. I'm not your hun and that borders on member disrespect. I let you have your opinion. You're entitled to think whatever you want, but I did not lmao at you or call you hun so please don't do it to me. With that, I'm bowing out of this debate because it's now getting to a place where we will never agree and we're repeating ourselves. If it gets ugly from here I'm shutting it down. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 22:06:15 GMT -5
lmao im not blaming anyone hun thats one two Damon didnt make Katherine do anything but he did provoke her he even admitted that And yea if Stefan wouldve been honest from the beginning about the cure then sure it wouldve worked out better but If Damon thought Stefan was compelled or made a plan with Klaus....wouldnt he wonder what plan could he had made with Klaus'? It has to either be about Elena or me.(Damon) And Stefan never said he couldnt love Elena like that. He confessed it to Caroline 4x03: Stefan confessing to Caroline that he wants to help Elena enjoy being a vampire without her feeling the shame and guilt but he cannot because if he does he will risk becoming the Ripper. I love her but i dont want to hold her back and I want to enjoy it too but I need help. (Admitting he needs help) Willing to seek help with his ripper ways in order to help Elena further Don't get condescending with me Ruby. I'm not your hun and that borders on member disrespect. I let you have your opinion. You're entitled to think whatever you want, but I did not lmao at you or call you hun so please don't do it to me. I didnt mean that any other way then the way I put it. I laughed because the last thing I was doing was blaming anyone...I wasnt trying to put or make no blame game. So please dont take it as being misleading...I didnt say it to insult you but I wont call you hun again |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 22:07:25 GMT -5
No please don't. Most people find that condescending especially in the context of a debate in which we disagree.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 22:08:07 GMT -5
And if me calling you hun you felt disrespected I apologize was not my intention and I dont think it was getting ugly in here we all expressing our opinions
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 20, 2013 22:16:21 GMT -5
Like I said you're entitled to your opinion. I did not like the attitude you took with me, however. But this debate is about Stefan, not Damon, so please stick to the subject. You're free to make a Damon debate if you want to. Maybe I'll debate it there but I don't want to debate it here as it gets the thread off subject. And I've said what I had to say on this subject so I don't have anything else to add.
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i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
Jun 10, 2016 15:46:17 GMT -5