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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 13:25:19 GMT -5
lol I can't go by that theory though it wouldn't make sense to me well it could but who would've planted that speculation in Caroline's brain haha
I want to read these theories, how can i find them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 13:29:30 GMT -5
True... but there are so many theories running rapid right now and I'm really loving this whole the Sire Bond was never real. What a cool twist that would be. JP has said it was but she might just be coming from the characters perspective and you wont give your biggest twist away now would you? I'd die a happy woman in my rocking chair if this whole SB was a trick played by Shane and Klaus. The evidence is very strong with this theory. So yep we shall see. I keep repeating what JP said... Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle!!!!! haha as I would too if I was you  but just as you stated about her twisting words about the sire bond being real or fake she could also maybe not want to give away how big of a deal the sire bond is. Interesting theory though. As for now I am going by what she said and she said Elena is sired to Damon. |
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Post by luvitornot on Jan 21, 2013 14:33:41 GMT -5
No, I don't think Stefan did it purposely to hurt Elena. From his POV, even if he wanted Elena to be happen with Damon and left town to go elsewhere, Elena would still be present in his mind/memory. Even at a distance, he'd be hurting and would possibly just turn it all off at a point. So although he said 'do it', I think it was mainly for his benefit and not going back down a dark road in the future (saving lives in the process). 'Cowards' way out or not, I think it was a reasonable decision if it prevented him from going into another Ripper stint cause he was always thinking about Elena and 'switched off' to stop. Elena being hurt in the process probably isn't even something he's going for. Sure her memories still remain but it's a reasonable option on Stefan's behalf for him to move on and let atleast one side of this triangle live it out without this whole 'the Other Brother' thing. I think Bekah telling him 'no' just made him shift gears (if my other theory isn't on the money about him luring in Bekah for a plan) to the "I hate my Brother" thing. I'm sorry that's still cowardly! If you can't deal with your pain or heartbreak without having your memory wiped or going on some killing rampage how the heck will you ever be a well adjusted person/vampire?  That's just excuse after excuse for Stefan! Everyone else can deal with their pain and more or less suck it up, but Stefan is the only baby that needs to be pacified? Has to have his entire memory wiped or he'll go on a killing rampage? That's ridiculous IMO. And let's be real! Breaking up with someone isn't the end of the world! Yes it's painful but there are worst things that can happen to you! Stefan's inability to feel the hurt, or rather his desire to have his memory erased of Elena entirely is cowardly IMO! SO many other characters were put in similar situations and they dealt with it! Why the heck is Stefan the exception? |
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Post by luvitornot on Jan 21, 2013 14:46:42 GMT -5
Also the notion of wanting to "fix" someone is gross IMO. That is just unacceptable! And I think Stefan's silence is deafening! He didn't have to say anything in front of Rebekah but if what Elena was saying about the broken toy was not true, then he would have spoken up when they were alone and she was trying to talk to him! He should have spoke up as a matter of fact!
And it doesn't matter whether or not he intended to make her feel that way, or if he knew consciously that's what he was doing! That's not an excuse! Point is, he did make her feel that way! And he's not even apologetic about it.
The thing that gets me with Stefan the most is how entitled and spoiled he acts the entire time. He plays the victim, as if he's done nothing wrong and hurt no one. Sure Elena may have hurt him (even though she was compelled and had no choice) but she's continually apologizes to him, tells him that she didn't want to hurt him! When is Stefan gonna apologize? When is he gonna take some responsibility for making her feel the way he did? That's really what it comes down to IMO. Stefan never takes responsibility for anything! He makes himself out to be the victim, but he never sees how he hurts her! It's like he's incapable of seeing anyone else's pain but his own. At least Elena is self aware enough to realize whether she meant to or not, she hurt him and apologize for it, Stefan can't even do that!
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 14:56:43 GMT -5
lol I can't go by that theory though it wouldn't make sense to me well it could but who would've planted that speculation in Caroline's brain haha I want to read these theories, how can i find them? Ruby, Klaus did! At the Mystic Pageant! She even said it to Stefan. The episode where it became seriously apparent and obvious that she is sired was the Mystic Pageant one. Shane was there too. He even interrupted Damon and Elena. I said it was theory.... One that I like that. I'm not saying it is true or what is going to happen. |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 14:57:24 GMT -5
True... but there are so many theories running rapid right now and I'm really loving this whole the Sire Bond was never real. What a cool twist that would be. JP has said it was but she might just be coming from the characters perspective and you wont give your biggest twist away now would you? I'd die a happy woman in my rocking chair if this whole SB was a trick played by Shane and Klaus. The evidence is very strong with this theory. So yep we shall see. I keep repeating what JP said... Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle!!!!! haha as I would too if I was you but just as you stated about her twisting words about the sire bond being real or fake she could also maybe not want to give away how big of a deal the sire bond is. Interesting theory though. As for now I am going by what she said and she said Elena is sired to Damon. Maybe but like I said she said Tiny obstacle so I'm gonna concentrate on that for now! |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 15:00:59 GMT -5
lol I can't go by that theory though it wouldn't make sense to me well it could but who would've planted that speculation in Caroline's brain haha I want to read these theories, how can i find them? Ruby, Klaus did! At the Mystic Pageant! She even said it to Stefan. The episode where it became seriously apparent and obvious that she is sired was the Mystic Pageant one. Shane was there too. He even interrupted Damon and Elena. I said it was theory.... One that I like that. I'm not saying it is true or what is going to happen. Well he didn't say it to her he just smiled and said some fancy old word haahahahah lol and he said time will tell or something like that and i know you said its a theory i wanted to know where you read it so i can read it haha =) ;D btw shootout to you for being a DE and being able to understand certain things where people like me and Teppy come from haha and not get to worked up over it. I know these debates are tough but it takes a lot not to get upset over these opinions from opposite sides    |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 15:08:37 GMT -5
Ruby, Klaus did! At the Mystic Pageant! She even said it to Stefan. The episode where it became seriously apparent and obvious that she is sired was the Mystic Pageant one. Shane was there too. He even interrupted Damon and Elena. I said it was theory.... One that I like that. I'm not saying it is true or what is going to happen. Well he didn't say it to her he just smiled and said some fancy old word haahahahah lol and he said time will tell or something like that and i know you said its a theory i wanted to know where you read it so i can read it haha =) ;D btw shootout to you for being a DE and being able to understand certain things where people like me and Teppy come from haha and not get to worked up over it. I know these debates are tough but it takes a lot not to get upset over these opinions from opposite sides It takes loads to piss me off honestly. Remember I came from a site where someone made fun of IAN and said Damon had pock marks all over his face and was ugly.  People are crazy! But I thouoght we were all doing a good job of that....  Um we talked about it in the DE thread and it's on tumblr. I was thinking of starting a theories thread for season 4. Just don't know if it should be in debates or not. Care told Stefan "I was curious why Klaus was so intrigued by Damon and Elena. He said we'd figure it out. This is what he was talking about!!!" This was after it clicked in her head. She stood up said Oh My God. Then she blurted this out. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 15:12:06 GMT -5
Yea thats true and I'm the same way it takes a lot for me to be angry or get upset. But I also try to see both sides of an argument/debate maybe thats why it doesn't get to me like that and overall I just like to debate haha =D well most of the time..Like the sire bond I'm tired of debating it because well its still a current storyline progressing so yea |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 15:13:26 GMT -5
Well he didn't say it to her he just smiled and said some fancy old word haahahahah lol and he said time will tell or something like that and i know you said its a theory i wanted to know where you read it so i can read it haha =) ;D btw shootout to you for being a DE and being able to understand certain things where people like me and Teppy come from haha and not get to worked up over it. I know these debates are tough but it takes a lot not to get upset over these opinions from opposite sides It takes loads to piss me off honestly. Remember I came from a site where someone made fun of IAN and said Damon had pock marks all over his face and was ugly. People are crazy! But I thouoght we were all doing a good job of that.... Um we talked about it in the DE thread and it's on tumblr. I was thinking of starting a theories thread for season 4. Just don't know if it should be in debates or not. Care told Stefan "I was curious why Klaus was so intrigued by Damon and Elena. He said we'd figure it out. This is what he was talking about!!!" This was after it clicked in her head. She stood up said Oh My God. Then she blurted this out. BTW good idea about the theories section…but would it have to be under debate? they are just theory and speculation for the most part, if anyone wants to debate a popular one they can make a thread for it/? |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 15:24:00 GMT -5
It takes loads to piss me off honestly. Remember I came from a site where someone made fun of IAN and said Damon had pock marks all over his face and was ugly. People are crazy! But I thouoght we were all doing a good job of that.... Um we talked about it in the DE thread and it's on tumblr. I was thinking of starting a theories thread for season 4. Just don't know if it should be in debates or not. Care told Stefan "I was curious why Klaus was so intrigued by Damon and Elena. He said we'd figure it out. This is what he was talking about!!!" This was after it clicked in her head. She stood up said Oh My God. Then she blurted this out. BTW good idea about the theories section…but would it have to be under debate? they are just theory and speculation for the most part, if anyone wants to debate a popular one they can make a thread for it/? Ummm I just didn't want a theory to strike a nerve and then it get debated. I was hoping no one would really debate it. i mean they can write pros and cons. I'll think of how to do it. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 15:34:22 GMT -5
Sounds cool
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Post by romanceguru on Jan 23, 2013 12:37:49 GMT -5
Ok, I'm a staunch D/E shipper, and agree with most, that Stefan's holier-than-thou attitude and lack of accountability, is beyond frustrating. However, I have to chime in and admit one inconsistency that has been bothering me, despite all the discussions by fellow shippers on the contrary. I do find it rather flippy-floppy of Elena to have always been so admittedly against being a Vampire, as well as being very vocal about how miserable she was during most of the beginning of season 4, only to suddenly claim to have been treated as a broken thing by Stefan this last episode. It's almost as if the writers were having Elena speak from a Delena shipper's POV on the state of if S/E's current relationship, (perhaps a nod or clarification if you will towards us fans) rather then the natural progression of the characters own feelings. The accusation was just to well-thought out and concise to have been seemingly concluded overnight. Let's be fair, at the start of the season, Stefan was only doing what he thought Elena wanted; trying to find a solution to free his beloved of her self-loathing, and guilt-ridden Vamp status. Only later, when he started to realize that he was losing her to Damon, did his motives become more selfish in nature. I fully believe this inconsistency is the fault of the writers, and they could have solved 2 major problems, had they thought of pacing things a little better. If they had taken the time, (even just a few weeks) to build up Damon and Elena's relationship before they threw them in bed together, they could have used that time to show Elena fully coming to terms with being a Vampire, as well as vocalizing to Stefan and crew, that the cure isn't something she desired, (not just because it put Jeremy in jeopardy, or in a bad moral place) but, because she was able to adapt, and much to her surprise, find that she is a much happier person as a vampire; now uninhibited by the confines of her life before. Actually taking more time to show Elena's change of attitude, and acceptance of her new-found state, would have given her more grounds to feel victimized by Stefan's unrelenting search for the cure. Time would also would have saved Elena from being labeled and branded a whore by most of the S/E fandom for sleeping with Damon the day after her and Stephan's mutual breakup. While, I can personally understand how things could have transpired so fervently, what with the heightened feelings of longing and passion brought on by their very nature, all finally coming to a head after 2 years, (time ?) of build up, was understandably just too much for D & E to resist in the moment; after all, lust and happiness can be blinding. However, I would rather of had them wait, sacrifice the intensity of it all, if only to save Elena's character from the barrage of venom and hatred being spewed her, (and Damon's) way as a result. Their impulsive night seems to have justified any actions by Stefan hereafter, and in S/E's eyes, made him a tragic victim of circumstance. Personally, I would rather have had the whole thing unfold in such a way that Stefan and his fans would finally have to face the truth of a love that has been slow-cooking for a long time and coming now, without being able to vilify it. Lastly, I think it would have provided Stefan the time to reflect on his part in all this, possibly giving him some much needed character growth, rather than an excuse to pass the blame and appear so infallible. All this is neither here nor there, because apparently, TVD will always suffer in some part due to the inconsistencies in writing, and the creators inability to fully flesh out it's characters and plot-lines well before they unfold. I only wanted to demonstrate that just because I'm a D/E fan, doesn't mean that I can't admit that every development in favor of the pair, can be justified without question. I also feel a little bad, because I came here from a board where the tables were turned, S/E's being the majority, and I know how it feels to see your favorite pairing discounted and basically ripped the shreds. Thankfully, from what I've gathered so far, I sense this is a more friendly place than where I've migrated from, and am glad both sides can discuss their opinions, for the most part, so peaceably.  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jan 23, 2013 12:49:54 GMT -5
Welcome and we do manage to debate peacefully for the most part. I think they probably did that to facilitate the sire bond theory, to make us question if she acted on those feelings because of a sire bond when maybe she wouldn't have so quickly otherwise and it also adds something for the SEs to point their fingers at and say, 'sire bond,' because this horrid writing team wants to keep us all guessing. Hate them...  (kidding) |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 23, 2013 12:58:37 GMT -5
Ok, I'm a staunch D/E shipper, and agree with most, that Stefan's holier-than-thou attitude and lack of accountability, is beyond frustrating. However, I have to chime in and admit one inconsistency that has been bothering me, despite all the discussions by fellow shippers on the contrary. I do find it rather flippy-floppy of Elena to have always been so admittedly against being a Vampire, as well as being very vocal about how miserable she was during most of the beginning of season 4, only to suddenly claim to have been treated as a broken thing by Stefan this last episode. It's almost as if the writers were having Elena speak from a Delena shipper's POV on the state of if S/E's current relationship, (perhaps a nod or clarification if you will towards us fans) rather then the natural progression of the characters own feelings. The accusation was just to well-thought out and concise to have been seemingly concluded overnight. Let's be fair, at the start of the season, Stefan was only doing what he thought Elena wanted; trying to find a solution to free his beloved of her self-loathing, and guilt-ridden Vamp status. Only later, when he started to realize that he was losing her to Damon, did his motives become more selfish in nature. I fully believe this inconsistency is the fault of the writers, and they could have solved 2 major problems, had they thought of pacing things a little better. If they had taken the time, (even just a few weeks) to build up Damon and Elena's relationship before they threw them in bed together, they could have used that time to show Elena fully coming to terms with being a Vampire, as well as vocalizing to Stefan and crew, that the cure isn't something she desired, (not just because it put Jeremy in jeopardy, or in a bad moral place) but, because she was able to adapt, and much to her surprise, find that she is a much happier person as a vampire; now uninhibited by the confines of her life before. Actually taking more time to show Elena's change of attitude, and acceptance of her new-found state, would have given her more grounds to feel victimized by Stefan's unrelenting search for the cure. Time would also would have saved Elena from being labeled and branded a whore by most of the S/E fandom for sleeping with Damon the day after her and Stephan's mutual breakup. While, I can personally understand how things could have transpired so fervently, what with the heightened feelings of longing and passion brought on by their very nature, all finally coming to a head after 2 years, (time ?) of build up, was understandably just too much for D & E to resist in the moment; after all, lust and happiness can be blinding. However, I would rather of had them wait, sacrifice the intensity of it all, if only to save Elena's character from the barrage of venom and hatred being spewed her, (and Damon's) way as a result. Their impulsive night seems to have justified any actions by Stefan hereafter, and in S/E's eyes, made him a tragic victim of circumstance. Personally, I would rather have had the whole thing unfold in such a way that Stefan and his fans would finally have to face the truth of a love that has been slow-cooking for a long time and coming now, without being able to vilify it. Lastly, I think it would have provided Stefan the time to reflect on his part in all this, possibly giving him some much needed character growth, rather than an excuse to pass the blame and appear so infallible. All this is neither here nor there, because apparently, TVD will always suffer in some part due to the inconsistencies in writing, and the creators inability to fully flesh out it's characters and plot-lines well before they unfold. I only wanted to demonstrate that just because I'm a D/E fan, doesn't mean that I can't admit that every development in favor of the pair, can be justified without question. I also feel a little bad, because I came here from a board where the tables were turned, S/E's being the majority, and I know how it feels to see your favorite pairing discounted and basically ripped the shreds. Thankfully, from what I've gathered so far, I sense this is a more friendly place than where I've migrated from, and am glad both sides can discuss their opinions, for the most part, so peaceably. I would like to say Welcome ;D    and I really really liked your post what you said is true..Although I am not very fond of Elena at the moment it is not because I think she's a whore or s*** like the way they are describing her in other places. I just think for someone who is compassionate she can also be a little self centered when it comes to plans and being involved I also keep thinking about what Elena said at the season finale that Stefan came into her life at a time where she needed someone and made her feel alive again after the accident and you should be with the person who makes you feel alive or grateful for being alive (along those words) And I'm starting to believe thats why she's in this predicament with Damon Now. She hadn't come to terms with her being a vampire trying to tell everyone she was fine etc and Damon was the one who told her Ive never seen you more alive and i think thats probably when it clicked for her and thats why she feels she's happy now whenever she's with Damon and the fact she has her feelings for him…how much of the sire bond plays into effect with that? we just don't know yet but I see the parallel between those two situations |
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but just as you stated about her twisting words about the sire bond being real or fake she could also maybe not want to give away how big of a deal the sire bond is. 
