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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 20, 2013 22:38:45 GMT -5
I think the point is Elena felt the way she felt because SOMEONE made her feel that way. It's not out of left field. Even if you say you don't want to be this person until your blue in the face it doesn't mean the person you love is justified in making you feel that you need to be fixed. Stefan could have told her I "know you don't want to be this Elena but you are a vampire so you need to learn how to be one". Instead he spent time like I have said numerous times concentrating on plan B when plan B was and IS still so flimsy and unpredictable/reliable. Damon knew all the same information Stefan knew about how Elena felt but he didn't spend his time trying to come up with a magical solution like cure/Silas... he knew she is and was a VAMP NOW so you have to help her be a vampire the best way she could be to get through her baby vamp days.
Also you have to think of the negative things that Doppel pointed out that Stefan said. These things Damon picked up on. He even mentioned to him he'd like her either way and Stefan had nothing to say. They make Stefan speechless on purpose to show doubt even in his feelings. Not every day of this relationship can be shown on film. But what we do see is Stefan looking for a cure, her conscious telling her Stefan hates her, Stefan talking to people about how difficult this is for him, Stefan teaming up with Klaus to save Elena but making a deal for Elena to be a blood bag, keeping it a secret, Stefan putting Jeremy in harms way, Trying to protect Conner just for the cure although Conner tried to kill them a few times already, Stefan is not involved in teaching Elena etc etc. These things on top of what possibly happened off camera together and what she sensed made her feel this way.
And I agree with Pixi when she said when Elena made the broken toy comment Stefan didn't say a word. We knew they had free will to talk because Caroline, Elena and Stefan interrupted or talked when Bekah wasn't talking to them. Stefan could say something but he didn't. Why not? His rebuttal to the whole conversation was to get his memory erased. Elena even asked him to talk to her but he refused.
So honestly until Stefan comes on the screen and says "I have no idea why she would say that about me. I did nothing but treat her amazing and helped her. She is so wrong for saying that I treated her this way". I'm gonna take his silence as confirmation that in some capacity he knew what she said had validity!
AND how are we supposed to feel any different or come to Stefan's defense when he sits silent. When he wont even speak and then the next minute he wants everything erased? It's kinda hard... I'm sorry. The writers gave him an opportunity to say something and they decided to not go there... Why? Because there is truth in what Elena is saying. She's not just making it up.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 22:45:47 GMT -5
You know what I can accept that maybe Stefan might had in mind that he wanted to fix her. Maybe he was struggling with that or trying to figure out what it was but hes never directly said that either so it can still go either way. Stefan had been nothing but supportive for Elena throughout her venting and her heightened moments he probably just realized if she wasnt on the bunny diet like him it was harder. He probably saw it as an opportunity that now we can do this together. Even letting her go with Damon to help her feed he was being supportive he didnt say absolutely not he didnt get all attached like im going too because i want to see how u act with my brother etc he trusted Elena to go experience and he trusted damon because he knew damon wouldnt let her get out of control With Stefan's silence it can go so many ways it can go the way you guys said like him not denying what she said or it couldve came to him as a shock to even hear her say it it could have been him just wanting to speak because if he did he might explode. You can tell he was keeping himself silence not wanting to say anything...So it could have went either way  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 22:52:14 GMT -5
Well I guess for me I think that it is a justified feeling because of what I said in my previous post about her being sired and I think the show and Julie has confirmed that she is indeed sired and yes this needs to be fixed. She does not have free will. "Elena come to me" and she does and Damon will have to wonder why? Is it because she wanted to because she loves him or because he told her to. He wants the cure to fix her too, but she does not feel that way about him? Why? Sire bond maybe?
Plus why give Rebkah more ammunition? I think Stefan for that reason may have said nothing
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 20, 2013 22:58:08 GMT -5
I don't know guys..... Only time will tell. There is a reason they had Bekah compel these guys this episode and there is a reason Elena said what she said and Stefan sat silent. UNTIL I see Stefan say or defend himself against Elena these next coming episodes from what I gathered previous episodes and concluded from my point of view... Elena has validity in her comments. Stefan may have made her feel this way because he didn't know what to do so he focused on the cure. Whether intentional or not, hell Stefan could have been just stuck between a rock and hard place for all I know.... he made her feel this way somewhere along the way. They make characters speak for reasons and they make them silent for reasons too. And yes you can take it anyway you want but until Stefan defends himself against the accusations then I'm going to believe Queen Elena.  Yep and I just called her Queen Elena!  
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 20, 2013 23:00:49 GMT -5
Well I guess for me I think that it is a justified feeling because of what I said in my previous post about her being sired and I think the show and Julie has confirmed that she is indeed sired and yes this needs to be fixed. She does not have free will. "Elena come to me" and she does and Damon will have to wonder why? Is it because she wanted to because she loves him or because he told her to. He wants the cure to fix her too, but she does not feel that way about him? Why? Sire bond maybe? Plus why give Rebkah more ammunition? I think Stefan for that reason may have said nothing And I think she wanted to come to him because as you might recall she kept asking him to let her come on the voice mail when she was away from him free from his influence. I recall her saying "I miss you". "Why wont you just let me come to you". So when he told her to come.... I think it made her whole damn year.    |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 20, 2013 23:02:22 GMT -5
I don't know guys..... Only time will tell. There is a reason they had Bekah compel these guys this episode and there is a reason Elena said what she said and Stefan sat silent. UNTIL I see Stefan say or defend himself against Elena these next coming episodes from what I gathered previous episodes and concluded from my point of view... Elena has validity in her comments. Stefan may have made her feel this way because he didn't know what to do so he focused on the cure. Whether intentional or not, hell Stefan could have been just stuck between a rock and hard place for all I know.... he made her feel this way somewhere along the way. They make characters speak for reasons and they make them silent for reasons too. And yes you can take it anyway you want but until Stefan defends himself against the accusations then I'm going to believe Queen Elena. Yep and I just called her Queen Elena! Haha at Queen Elena dont get me wrong she told the truth on how she felt but Like slash said earlier she should have expressed that Stefan before. but from ive been rewatching the only moment when she began to feel that Stefan wanted to fix her was the day after they broke up and she told him you mean fix me and he didnt say anything. Before that all he was was supportive for her and strong for her everytime she had her breakdowns. BUT i can see where you are coming from about his silence speaking MORE (Did we just agree?) hahahah  |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 20, 2013 23:28:08 GMT -5
I don't know guys..... Only time will tell. There is a reason they had Bekah compel these guys this episode and there is a reason Elena said what she said and Stefan sat silent. UNTIL I see Stefan say or defend himself against Elena these next coming episodes from what I gathered previous episodes and concluded from my point of view... Elena has validity in her comments. Stefan may have made her feel this way because he didn't know what to do so he focused on the cure. Whether intentional or not, hell Stefan could have been just stuck between a rock and hard place for all I know.... he made her feel this way somewhere along the way. They make characters speak for reasons and they make them silent for reasons too. And yes you can take it anyway you want but until Stefan defends himself against the accusations then I'm going to believe Queen Elena. Yep and I just called her Queen Elena! Haha at Queen Elena dont get me wrong she told the truth on how she felt but Like slash said earlier she should have expressed that Stefan before. but from ive been rewatching the only moment when she began to feel that Stefan wanted to fix her was the day after they broke up and she told him you mean fix me and he didnt say anything. Before that all he was was supportive for her and strong for her everytime she had her breakdowns. BUT i can see where you are coming from about his silence speaking MORE (Did we just agree?) hahahah Break out the banana smiley  We did. LOL But real quick in regards to what she said to him after they broke up maybe she had already felt that way and when he made that comment she said what she already felt not what he was making her feel in the moment? |
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Post by proxi on Jan 21, 2013 1:46:42 GMT -5
I guess the compulsion thing was far more important than we give it credit. I think all of them acted exactly as they feel.
Actually, I have 2 things I want to emphasize.
One, Elena's choice of words to describe Damon and to describe Stefan.
To describe Damon she used the word "free" which actually contradicts a lot with the concept of sire bond. Maybe it was for us to pick that the compulsion trumps the sire bond. And I guess, until then, Stefan's idea of SB was something like hunter's curse. After the SB gets broken, Elena's will be like "It was not like I lived it, it was more like a dream..." kind of stuff, so the word FREE meant more then we realize.
To describe Stefan, she used the opposite, "toy", something you could handle and throw when it's broken. What can be more opposite to "free" then something which can be handled like a "toy"?
Two, I guess it was important for us to see that Elena feels exactly opposite about the brothers: the one with whom she has the SB makes her feel free, but the one who supposed to love her makes her feel bonded like a toy.
I guess that the switch of roles in Elena's mind was the slap in the face for Stefan and he saw it like a no-return-road, that's why his choice to have his memories erased (which I strongly disapproved. I believe that our sentimental breakdowns are an important part in our development as humans).
So, him wanting to see if Elena's choice will still be Damon after the SB gets broken is part of his delusion. Exactly like the part with him blaming the DEx for their breakup. I don't think Stefan hit his rock bottom. He will do this when he'll be actually full aware of what's happening around him, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 8:00:41 GMT -5
I didn't say that she didn't want to go to him she could have (I think she did). You are right she called over and over wanting to be close to him, but just as SE fans can't blame everything on the sire bond DE fans can't think it has zero influence on her and I was just saying Damon would have to question all those things which is why in that moment he did not want to anymore and said he would find the cure for her. Because he too wants to fix her.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 12:52:05 GMT -5
I didn't say that she didn't want to go to him she could have (I think she did). You are right she called over and over wanting to be close to him, but just as SE fans can't blame everything on the sire bond DE fans can't think it has zero influence on her and I was just saying Damon would have to question all those things which is why in that moment he did not want to anymore and said he would find the cure for her. Because he too wants to fix her. No he doesn't want to fix her he wants to free her because for once in his life he wants it to be real. Elena knows it's real and WE DE's know it's real. Damon on the other hand no matter the evidence has been hurt time and time again and just think he got everything in one day to find out "brother she sired to you". It was all taken away. His confidence level in love is so sad... He wants to believe it and that is why once he heard her say "I Love You"... he wanted her to come to him and he vowed to find the cure for her no matter what! Finally he has loved and found love in return. His hope is to make it real, 100% without a doubt. Also on Damon's playing cards it says Blood is Guilt. Damon also feels guilty that she is bonded to him. So she wants her free. But never did he say he wants to 'fix' her nor does she feel that way either. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 13:00:26 GMT -5
I don't think Damon wants to fix her I think he wants to set her free and know if what she feels is real. That is true. I don't think Elena's feeling are fake to a certain extent and when I say that I mean towards Stefan I will still ride that out to the story line is complete.
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 13:11:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure... I mean compulsion is compulsion so it's kinda one of those things like whether you are gonna take it for what it is or find a reason to doubt it. I understand ANY SE to find a reason to doubt it. I would have probably too. You can always fall back in love with someone. I believe what she said right, that she isn't in love with him now but that doesn't mean that there still isn't hope for SE. (Only because she was compelled) She still loves him. I recognize that SE isn't over. Maybe for right now but could SE happen again? Yes. She loves him and she didn't say she loves him as a friend like Matt. She just said she still loves him.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Jan 21, 2013 13:16:59 GMT -5
Thats why Im saying I will ride it out as the season goes, because it can go either way thats she is not in love with him anymore and crossing that line with Damon made her realize that or The sire bond kind of tainted her feelings for Stefan. since she is all about Damon now… We unfortunately just have to wait and see   |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Jan 21, 2013 13:21:03 GMT -5
True... but there are so many theories running rapid right now and I'm really loving this whole the Sire Bond was never real. What a cool twist that would be. JP has said it was but she might just be coming from the characters perspective and you wont give your biggest twist away now would you? I'd die a happy woman in my rocking chair if this whole SB was a trick played by Shane and Klaus. The evidence is very strong with this theory.
So yep we shall see. I keep repeating what JP said... Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle, Sire bond is a tiny obstacle!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 13:24:22 GMT -5
Well I guess to me fix her and give her her free will back mean the same thing. I think that is what Stefan wants too. To him she is not the same person under the sire bond. I understand that we will always see this differently, but I think from Stefan's standpoint that is what I meant that yes he wants to fix her just as Damon wants to fix her.
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