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Post by Somerhaldered on May 17, 2016 11:22:07 GMT -5
Filled with SPOILERS so if you don't want to know what's happening, don't read  Wow, I really thought Marcel was a goner (until I saw the smile on Vincent's face), but it wouldn't surprise me considering the amount of main cast members they've killed off this season. Although it seems like a lot, I have to commend them with having the guts to kill off characters since, let's be real, they live in a dangerous reality and not everyone would likely survive. For anyone not following along, here is the body count of deaths this season (main characters): 3x10 Jackson 3x17 Finn 3x19 Cami 3x20 Lucien 3x21 Davina Elijah 'killed' Marcel in 3x21, but he's coming back as the big bad next week. Elijah also daggered Rebekah in 3x9, but she is supposed to be back next week for the finale. Also of course, some minor players were killed off during the season. What do you guys think about the death of so many characters (watching or not)? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on May 17, 2016 17:57:50 GMT -5
I think they might be gearing up to combine the two shows once Ian leaves at the end of next season. They've certainly got to pare them down a little bit if they are going to do that.
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 17, 2016 18:17:54 GMT -5
I think they might be gearing up to combine the two shows once Ian leaves at the end of next season. They've certainly got to pare them down a little bit if they are going to do that. Yes! That was my thought too. Can't have a gang of people to follow on one show. That would make sense. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 22:11:17 GMT -5
The way Cami died just feels frustrating. I almost wonder if perhaps the actor wanted to leave the show or something cause it made no sense to turn her just for her to die an ep or few later. Not only that it's another over the top situation that JP created to ensure that there was no way to save her, no loophole so characters can be all, 'Oh well.' like with Elena's spell. An upgraded original where the bite is deadly to even an original and there's no cure for it? Come on lol. It sounds ridiculous. If they had stuck to the canon of werewolf bites being lethal instead of inventing a cure, maybe there'd be no need to go 'super' for the venom just so that they can say there's absolutely no cure this time.
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Post by Somerhaldered on May 31, 2016 17:17:35 GMT -5
The way Cami died just feels frustrating. I almost wonder if perhaps the actor wanted to leave the show or something cause it made no sense to turn her just for her to die an ep or few later. Not only that it's another over the top situation that JP created to ensure that there was no way to save her, no loophole so characters can be all, 'Oh well.' like with Elena's spell. An upgraded original where the bite is deadly to even an original and there's no cure for it? Come on lol. It sounds ridiculous. If they had stuck to the canon of werewolf bites being lethal instead of inventing a cure, maybe there'd be no need to go 'super' for the venom just so that they can say there's absolutely no cure this time. From what I heard, Leah Pipes (Cami), had no intention of leaving the show. She was given her "death" script maybe and episode or so out. She tweeted to her fans about it and I don't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of she'll miss everyone and she respects the show for making big moves, but now she doesn't have a job. JP also commented saying that when there is no more story for a character, then they have to know when to call it quits. Ha! She should take her own advice about her shows, lol. Funny you say that about the super original bite, because... wait, have you finished the season? I'll wait for you before I spoil anything else about the upcoming plot, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 6:30:09 GMT -5
The way Cami died just feels frustrating. I almost wonder if perhaps the actor wanted to leave the show or something cause it made no sense to turn her just for her to die an ep or few later. Not only that it's another over the top situation that JP created to ensure that there was no way to save her, no loophole so characters can be all, 'Oh well.' like with Elena's spell. An upgraded original where the bite is deadly to even an original and there's no cure for it? Come on lol. It sounds ridiculous. If they had stuck to the canon of werewolf bites being lethal instead of inventing a cure, maybe there'd be no need to go 'super' for the venom just so that they can say there's absolutely no cure this time. From what I heard, Leah Pipes (Cami), had no intention of leaving the show. She was given her "death" script maybe and episode or so out. She tweeted to her fans about it and I don't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of she'll miss everyone and she respects the show for making big moves, but now she doesn't have a job. JP also commented saying that when there is no more story for a character, then they have to know when to call it quits. Ha! She should take her own advice about her shows, lol. Funny you say that about the super original bite, because... wait, have you finished the season? I'll wait for you before I spoil anything else about the upcoming plot, lol. No worries you can spoil haha XD. It feels like JP was just going for shock value, whether it made sense or not. Cami seems to have been killed off way prematurely, she had recently turned into a vampire and her relationship with Klaus had finally took a leap towards admittance of mutual feelings. For a character that has been there since the first episode of the show starting, it feels crazy to think she had no more ideas of what to do with Cami. That'd be like killing off Caroline or something, just feels a bit odd. Though with the way characters never truly seem to be dead in this show perhaps Cami could come back when JP runs out of ideas lol. |
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Post by ritz on Jun 1, 2016 10:39:07 GMT -5
From what I heard, Leah Pipes (Cami), had no intention of leaving the show. She was given her "death" script maybe and episode or so out. She tweeted to her fans about it and I don't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of she'll miss everyone and she respects the show for making big moves, but now she doesn't have a job. JP also commented saying that when there is no more story for a character, then they have to know when to call it quits. Ha! She should take her own advice about her shows, lol. Funny you say that about the super original bite, because... wait, have you finished the season? I'll wait for you before I spoil anything else about the upcoming plot, lol. No worries you can spoil haha XD. It feels like JP was just going for shock value, whether it made sense or not. Cami seems to have been killed off way prematurely, she had recently turned into a vampire and her relationship with Klaus had finally took a leap towards admittance of mutual feelings. For a character that has been there since the first episode of the show starting, it feels crazy to think she had no more ideas of what to do with Cami. That'd be like killing off Caroline or something, just feels a bit odd. Though with the way characters never truly seem to be dead in this show perhaps Cami could come back when JP runs out of ideas lol. I still wonder if they are preparing to merge TO and TVD after Season 8 when Damon leaves TVD. If they do that, the love triangle will be Klause/Caroline/Stefan so no need fo Cami. I still don't know what the big rush would hav been to get rid of the character right now though if that's the plan. It seems like they would have kept her through a Season 8. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 12:04:21 GMT -5
No worries you can spoil haha XD. It feels like JP was just going for shock value, whether it made sense or not. Cami seems to have been killed off way prematurely, she had recently turned into a vampire and her relationship with Klaus had finally took a leap towards admittance of mutual feelings. For a character that has been there since the first episode of the show starting, it feels crazy to think she had no more ideas of what to do with Cami. That'd be like killing off Caroline or something, just feels a bit odd. Though with the way characters never truly seem to be dead in this show perhaps Cami could come back when JP runs out of ideas lol. I still wonder if they are preparing to merge TO and TVD after Season 8 when Damon leaves TVD. If they do that, the love triangle will be Klause/Caroline/Stefan so no need fo Cami. I still don't know what the big rush would hav been to get rid of the character right now though if that's the plan. It seems like they would have kept her through a Season 8. Yeah it's kind of hard to think that this doesn't have anything to do with Klaroline or merging the shows. TO is supposed to start mid season next year instead of the usual fall season lineup. It's perfect time to have season 8 of TVD build up towards Klaus and co. coming back to TVD. Though killing Cami still comes off as a waste because I don't believe Klaroline will beat Steroline, or I should say there's no way Stefan's going to lose. I don't care for Klaroline and much less that both characters are on another show so it feels silly to think that Klaus can't get an interest and move on without said interest constantly dying. So this was just kind of an unfortunate shock. I just was not ever expecting this character to get killed off. Though who am I kidding, DE is really the only relationship that has survived JP's tragic/angst appetite. It's only in the state it's in now because Nina left, but it sure makes you wonder whether JP is going to pull something out of nowhere and random like a super original that will kill off Damon or Elena cause this woman seriously never lets any relationship be happy lol. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 1, 2016 13:38:47 GMT -5
I don't think Cami was a very liked character, probably because of the Klaroline fans that watch the show, so maybe JP just decided to off her. It really does seem like they are trying to whittle down the cast so they can combine the shows down the road though.
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Post by Somerhaldered on Jun 1, 2016 13:45:27 GMT -5
From what I heard, Leah Pipes (Cami), had no intention of leaving the show. She was given her "death" script maybe and episode or so out. She tweeted to her fans about it and I don't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of she'll miss everyone and she respects the show for making big moves, but now she doesn't have a job. JP also commented saying that when there is no more story for a character, then they have to know when to call it quits. Ha! She should take her own advice about her shows, lol. Funny you say that about the super original bite, because... wait, have you finished the season? I'll wait for you before I spoil anything else about the upcoming plot, lol. No worries you can spoil haha XD. It feels like JP was just going for shock value, whether it made sense or not. Cami seems to have been killed off way prematurely, she had recently turned into a vampire and her relationship with Klaus had finally took a leap towards admittance of mutual feelings. For a character that has been there since the first episode of the show starting, it feels crazy to think she had no more ideas of what to do with Cami. That'd be like killing off Caroline or something, just feels a bit odd. Though with the way characters never truly seem to be dead in this show perhaps Cami could come back when JP runs out of ideas lol. Yeah, I found the timing of her death very strange too. If they knew they were going to kill her anyways, you would think that they would have just had Aurora kill her the first time without having vamp blood in her system. The end game is the same, it sent Klaus into his whole 'revenge' tailspin. It seemed silly to have her turn, go through all of those feelings, only to die a few weeks later. If JP wanted a tragic love story ending, what's more tragic than waking up next to the woman you just professed your love for, with her throat slit? I guess in the end, Cami has been with the show since the beginning, so they had to give her a proper goodbye. Like you mentioned, for comparison, if they killed Caroline, it wouldn't just be a quick death, she would get a whole episode and time to say goodbye too, like any of the other major characters we've lost. Except, Jackson's death was pretty swift. Poor Jackson, lol. In the finale, two Originals got 'super' bitten so now they are searching for a cure for the super vamp bite, which like you said is also stupid. Why have a cure for something so powerful - again? They could have just left it that werewolf bites are lethal and Klaus couldn't even cure them. Normal werewolf bites lost their shock effect when they made his blood the cure b/c every time someone got bitten, I was like "oh, just go ask Klaus for his blood". So now they are essentially going to do the same thing? If something is lethal to everyone, they need to just try to avoid it. That makes for a more interesting and scary storyline because if someone does get bitten, then we know they are going to die. But, since two Originals are in trouble, we know they'll find a way to create a cure. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Jun 1, 2016 13:49:16 GMT -5
I don't think Cami was a very liked character, probably because of the Klaroline fans that watch the show, so maybe JP just decided to off her. It really does seem like they are trying to whittle down the cast so they can combine the shows down the road though. I was never a huge fan of Cami. She was just there for me, so when she died I was like, bye Felicia, lol. I didn't mind her, she just didn't make my favorite characters list. |
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Post by ritz on Jun 1, 2016 14:31:40 GMT -5
I was never a huge fan of Cami, and I didn't not buy into her relationship with Klaus either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 16:32:22 GMT -5
lol guess I was the only one who liked Cami, or rather I should say, didn't mind her. I wasn't necessarily waving any support flags and applauding or anything, she was also kind of just there for me as well. But I did respect the character for her role in the show and her dynamics with the characters. I liked that JP didn't just make her a carbon copy of Caroline, with her appearance looking so similar, and that JP didn't just rush to get Cami and Klaus together with Cami having loud feelings for Klaus etc. so after a while it was easier to look at Cami as her own character instead of a way to shut up Klaroline or whatever.
Of course, what I will complain about is just how sudden and out there the death is. If they wanted to go for tragic as Somerhaldered mentioned, Klaus waking up to Cami on the bed, after sharing a romantic moment together, and that being the end of her character there would have just fit the atmosphere better. Though I could also see why she wouldn't just end it there as also mentioned as JP likely wanted to give Cami a proper goodbye and she got the dream treatment instead of just dying and that being the end of that. Of course when they do find the cure for this super bite, her death is just going to come off as anticlimatic, I hope the cure isn't something as simple as A, B, C.
In the end, I'm hoping that Cami's death was more of JP going for shock value or a tragic love story thing (even though she's done plenty of that in both shows already!) or even the aforementioned of not knowing what to do with her character. Okay, I could give her that, whatever. It just better not be because of Klaroline fans hating any woman who comes within an inch of Klaus or to keep Klaus available so that she can further continue to tease Klaroline in crossovers (or if the shows happen to merge). JP needs to stop being influenced by her fans period, or rather the more rabid shipping fans who tweet death threats and hate in JP's twitter until they get what they want. If Cami can be killed off for such a reason, what's stopping characters on TVD from also being killed off because fans didn't like them? I'm sure that Damon and Elena are the most hated characters in the show (there are twice as much fans of course but the hate will come off louder because hate tweets are just more common in general). Of course this is assuming that the reason for Cami's death is shipping related.
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Post by Somerhaldered on Jun 1, 2016 19:38:18 GMT -5
lol guess I was the only one who liked Cami, or rather I should say, didn't mind her. I wasn't necessarily waving any support flags and applauding or anything, she was also kind of just there for me as well. But I did respect the character for her role in the show and her dynamics with the characters. I liked that JP didn't just make her a carbon copy of Caroline, with her appearance looking so similar, and that JP didn't just rush to get Cami and Klaus together with Cami having loud feelings for Klaus etc. so after a while it was easier to look at Cami as her own character instead of a way to shut up Klaroline or whatever. Of course, what I will complain about is just how sudden and out there the death is. If they wanted to go for tragic as Somerhaldered mentioned, Klaus waking up to Cami on the bed, after sharing a romantic moment together, and that being the end of her character there would have just fit the atmosphere better. Though I could also see why she wouldn't just end it there as also mentioned as JP likely wanted to give Cami a proper goodbye and she got the dream treatment instead of just dying and that being the end of that. Of course when they do find the cure for this super bite, her death is just going to come off as anticlimatic, I hope the cure isn't something as simple as A, B, C. In the end, I'm hoping that Cami's death was more of JP going for shock value or a tragic love story thing (even though she's done plenty of that in both shows already!) or even the aforementioned of not knowing what to do with her character. Okay, I could give her that, whatever. It just better not be because of Klaroline fans hating any woman who comes within an inch of Klaus or to keep Klaus available so that she can further continue to tease Klaroline in crossovers (or if the shows happen to merge). JP needs to stop being influenced by her fans period, or rather the more rabid shipping fans who tweet death threats and hate in JP's twitter until they get what they want. If Cami can be killed off for such a reason, what's stopping characters on TVD from also being killed off because fans didn't like them? I'm sure that Damon and Elena are the most hated characters in the show (there are twice as much fans of course but the hate will come off louder because hate tweets are just more common in general). Of course this is assuming that the reason for Cami's death is shipping related. Yes, which was Marcel's point in the finale. When Cami was bit, it was like well, there's really nothing we can do, let's all say our goodbyes. But the Original family gets bit and now they'll go to the ends of the earth to figure out a cure. Looking at it that way, it's like a big FU to Cami. I actually don't ship Klaus with anyone. I don't know why either! I like Klaus but everyone they've tried to pair him with is just like, whatever. I thought he had the most chemistry with Caroline, but once he went to NOLA, I was over it. It amazes me that this fandom is sooo loud about Klaroline because they aren't even in the same city - let alone the same show! How they hang onto one line that he said to her about being her last (like the writers really thought that far ahead to make them endgame). I hated Haley when she was first introduced, so I couldn't get behind them. Cami for me always felt like she was better off alone. I didn't like her with anyone either and I think they paired her with Marcel and Vincent (or at least tried to tease the relationships). Yeah, if JP is doing this b/c of the fans, she's an idiot, but I would hope that's not the case either. Especially since MN previously said they don't write for the ships. The actor who plays Josh also said in an interview that the writer's room is so different than what the fans want. Ships never come up and it is all about the story. I feel like that has been pretty clear with TO because even though they have a some ships that we can root for, we never have a solid couple for very long. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Jun 1, 2016 19:49:23 GMT -5
As far as merging the shows, JP hasn't said as much yet - not even a hint. But when it comes to her, you never know when she's being straight up, lol. She writes a blog where she comments on the show episodes and she said they didn't even know TO wasn't coming back until mid-season until a few days before the public announcement (I've never actually read her blog, but I listen to the podcasts and they always discuss her blog notes).
I'm guessing they'll have a lot of thinking to do with this upcoming season, because it will only be 13 episodes and she said they will have already filmed the finale before they know if it will be picked up for another season. So I'm assuming they'll have to either be decisive about merging the shows and decide to end TO on their own, or they'll have to throw caution to the wind and write a story that is semi-conclusive but leaves a few unanswered questions to keep a little suspense. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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