The Originals General Discussion

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Jun 1, 2016 19:38:18 GMT -5 Somerhaldered said:

Jun 1, 2016 16:32:22 GMT -5 @anbuprincess said:

lol guess I was the only one who liked Cami, or rather I should say, didn't mind her. I wasn't necessarily waving any support flags and applauding or anything, she was also kind of just there for me as well. But I did respect the character for her role in the show and her dynamics with the characters. I liked that JP didn't just make her a carbon copy of Caroline, with her appearance looking so similar, and that JP didn't just rush to get Cami and Klaus together with Cami having loud feelings for Klaus etc. so after a while it was easier to look at Cami as her own character instead of a way to shut up Klaroline or whatever.

Of course, what I will complain about is just how sudden and out there the death is. If they wanted to go for tragic as Somerhaldered mentioned, Klaus waking up to Cami on the bed, after sharing a romantic moment together, and that being the end of her character there would have just fit the atmosphere better. Though I could also see why she wouldn't just end it there as also mentioned as JP likely wanted to give Cami a proper goodbye and she got the dream treatment instead of just dying and that being the end of that. Of course when they do find the cure for this super bite, her death is just going to come off as anticlimatic, I hope the cure isn't something as simple as A, B, C.

In the end, I'm hoping that Cami's death was more of JP going for shock value or a tragic love story thing (even though she's done plenty of that in both shows already!) or even the aforementioned of not knowing what to do with her character. Okay, I could give her that, whatever. It just better not be because of Klaroline fans hating any woman who comes within an inch of Klaus or to keep Klaus available so that she can further continue to tease Klaroline in crossovers (or if the shows happen to merge). JP needs to stop being influenced by her fans period, or rather the more rabid shipping fans who tweet death threats and hate in JP's twitter until they get what they want. If Cami can be killed off for such a reason, what's stopping characters on TVD from also being killed off because fans didn't like them? I'm sure that Damon and Elena are the most hated characters in the show (there are twice as much fans of course but the hate will come off louder because hate tweets are just more common in general). Of course this is assuming that the reason for Cami's death is shipping related.

Yes, which was Marcel's point in the finale. When Cami was bit, it was like well, there's really nothing we can do, let's all say our goodbyes. But the Original family gets bit and now they'll go to the ends of the earth to figure out a cure. Looking at it that way, it's like a big FU to Cami. 

I actually don't ship Klaus with anyone. I don't know why either! I like Klaus but everyone they've tried to pair him with is just like, whatever. I thought he had the most chemistry with Caroline, but once he went to NOLA, I was over it. It amazes me that this fandom is sooo loud about Klaroline because they aren't even in the same city - let alone the same show! How they hang onto one line that he said to her about being her last (like the writers really thought that far ahead to make them endgame). I hated Haley when she was first introduced, so I couldn't get behind them. Cami for me always felt like she was better off alone. I didn't like her with anyone either and I think they paired her with Marcel and Vincent (or at least tried to tease the relationships). 

Yeah, if JP is doing this b/c of the fans, she's an idiot, but I would hope that's not the case either. Especially since MN previously said they don't write for the ships. The actor who plays Josh also said in an interview that the writer's room is so different than what the fans want. Ships never come up and it is all about the story. I feel like that has been pretty clear with TO because even though they have a some ships that we can root for, we never have a solid couple for very long. 

The plot armor for the Originals to get cured would be one thing if the sire lines were still in effect since then Damon and co would die back on TVD so they would have to find a cure (I think the link of the sire lines were broken right? I'm feeling a bit hazy on that fact, think that was established in Stefan's crossover to TO this season) but now it's just their desire to live. Understandable of course, always and forever has been their theme for a long while. Though I guess you could say it's still plot armor in a way since they're the main characters the show revolves around similar to how when Damon got bit they had to come up with a cure as well. It does take the suspense out of it cause you know they'll end up finding the cure. Though now with 13 episodes, maybe JP will make a twist and they just end up accepting their fate and the afflicted ones die off. Hard to imagine though, JP's made Klaus bigger than he ever was in the books so I don't know if she'd kill him off permanently.

That's interesting about the writer's room, I also forgot Micheal Narducci made that statement about not writing for ships. Cami's death may look suspiciously like she was killed off for ships and/or being hated but it could also just be a coincidence and the writers wanting to make a big move like that in killing off a long time main character. I always had the feeling that Klaus and Cami may have been the 'main ship' I should say for Klaus whenever she started getting more of those heart to heart type scenes with him. Though now that she's been killed off, there may not be any point to bring in any other interests as they will just pale in comparison to the Klaroline and Klamille dynamic and a random no name will just get killed off and not last long. It's likely only Hope and family for Klaus' endgame at this point. That line about Klaus being Caroline's last has been the biggest tease to Klaroline ever, it's the reason this ship will never die lol. And even if Steroline are endgame and the show's over, I'm sure the argument will be made that Steroline won't be together for eternity and break up at some point and that's when Klaroline will happen lol.

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Jun 1, 2016 19:49:23 GMT -5 Somerhaldered said:

As far as merging the shows, JP hasn't said as much yet - not even a hint. But when it comes to her, you never know when she's being straight up, lol. She writes a blog where she comments on the show episodes and she said they didn't even know TO wasn't coming back until mid-season until a few days before the public announcement (I've never actually read her blog, but I listen to the podcasts and they always discuss her blog notes).

I'm guessing they'll have a lot of thinking to do with this upcoming season, because it will only be 13 episodes and she said they will have already filmed the finale before they know if it will be picked up for another season. So I'm assuming they'll have to either be decisive about merging the shows and decide to end TO on their own, or they'll have to throw caution to the wind and write a story that is semi-conclusive but leaves a few unanswered questions to keep a little suspense. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Yeah I'm sure there's no way she saw TO only having 13 episodes, which changes things as she's not used to working with such a limited number of episodes. So there will have to be some sort of rearranging in the writing room as far as the future planned plots go. Less filler and more plot advancing episodes. Though I don't know if this means if the show gets renewed it'll forever be as 13 episodes or if it could somehow get it's 22 episode back. I'm not sure if JP will like the idea of only telling this story with 13 episodes so this may just be where she decides to merge the show, both have a better chance of surviving this way since TVD seems to be up in the air with it's fate instead of a definite of it's coming back for another season.

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Jun 1, 2016 20:40:40 GMT -5 @anbuprincess said:

Jun 1, 2016 19:38:18 GMT -5 Somerhaldered said:

Yes, which was Marcel's point in the finale. When Cami was bit, it was like well, there's really nothing we can do, let's all say our goodbyes. But the Original family gets bit and now they'll go to the ends of the earth to figure out a cure. Looking at it that way, it's like a big FU to Cami. 

I actually don't ship Klaus with anyone. I don't know why either! I like Klaus but everyone they've tried to pair him with is just like, whatever. I thought he had the most chemistry with Caroline, but once he went to NOLA, I was over it. It amazes me that this fandom is sooo loud about Klaroline because they aren't even in the same city - let alone the same show! How they hang onto one line that he said to her about being her last (like the writers really thought that far ahead to make them endgame). I hated Haley when she was first introduced, so I couldn't get behind them. Cami for me always felt like she was better off alone. I didn't like her with anyone either and I think they paired her with Marcel and Vincent (or at least tried to tease the relationships). 

Yeah, if JP is doing this b/c of the fans, she's an idiot, but I would hope that's not the case either. Especially since MN previously said they don't write for the ships. The actor who plays Josh also said in an interview that the writer's room is so different than what the fans want. Ships never come up and it is all about the story. I feel like that has been pretty clear with TO because even though they have a some ships that we can root for, we never have a solid couple for very long. 

The plot armor for the Originals to get cured would be one thing if the sire lines were still in effect since then Damon and co would die back on TVD so they would have to find a cure (I think the link of the sire lines were broken right? I'm feeling a bit hazy on that fact, think that was established in Stefan's crossover to TO this season) but now it's just their desire to live. Understandable of course, always and forever has been their theme for a long while. Though I guess you could say it's still plot armor in a way since they're the main characters the show revolves around similar to how when Damon got bit they had to come up with a cure as well. It does take the suspense out of it cause you know they'll end up finding the cure. Though now with 13 episodes, maybe JP will make a twist and they just end up accepting their fate and the afflicted ones die off. Hard to imagine though, JP's made Klaus bigger than he ever was in the books so I don't know if she'd kill him off permanently.

That's interesting about the writer's room, I also forgot Micheal Narducci made that statement about not writing for ships. Cami's death may look suspiciously like she was killed off for ships and/or being hated but it could also just be a coincidence and the writers wanting to make a big move like that in killing off a long time main character. I always had the feeling that Klaus and Cami may have been the 'main ship' I should say for Klaus whenever she started getting more of those heart to heart type scenes with him. Though now that she's been killed off, there may not be any point to bring in any other interests as they will just pale in comparison to the Klaroline and Klamille dynamic and a random no name will just get killed off and not last long. It's likely only Hope and family for Klaus' endgame at this point. That line about Klaus being Caroline's last has been the biggest tease to Klaroline ever, it's the reason this ship will never die lol. And even if Steroline are endgame and the show's over, I'm sure the argument will be made that Steroline won't be together for eternity and break up at some point and that's when Klaroline will happen lol.

They ended up only breaking Klaus' sire line before someone stopped Davina from completing the spell, so everyone else is still fair game for their entire lineage to die as well. So bringing that up, yeah that makes sense that they would need to save them for half the vampire race. So, thinking about it, I guess Finn never sired anyone? Cause they never mentioned any of that when he died and I know he was always so against being a vampire. 

I can see them getting rid of Kol - they've done it plenty of times before - but Elijah was the other one bitten so I'd be shocked if they let him go. We'd be left with Klaus and Bekkah, and who knows how many episodes Claire Holt is planning to show up in, lol.

Yep, it did seem like they were grooming Klaus for a "real" relationship with Cami. More mature overall and making him come to terms with his actual issues. But I agree, no way will this fandom die - they're as bad as SEs, lol. Maybe Cami was just a way for them to get to a "better" version of Klaus so he could be better for Haley and Hope, because the last few episodes, he's been so great with them. Whether or not they take them there romantically again, I think it is definitely a dynamic that they want to push. Klaley being there for each other no matter what and no matter who they are with.

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Jun 1, 2016 20:58:58 GMT -5 Somerhaldered said:

Jun 1, 2016 20:40:40 GMT -5 @anbuprincess said:

The plot armor for the Originals to get cured would be one thing if the sire lines were still in effect since then Damon and co would die back on TVD so they would have to find a cure (I think the link of the sire lines were broken right? I'm feeling a bit hazy on that fact, think that was established in Stefan's crossover to TO this season) but now it's just their desire to live. Understandable of course, always and forever has been their theme for a long while. Though I guess you could say it's still plot armor in a way since they're the main characters the show revolves around similar to how when Damon got bit they had to come up with a cure as well. It does take the suspense out of it cause you know they'll end up finding the cure. Though now with 13 episodes, maybe JP will make a twist and they just end up accepting their fate and the afflicted ones die off. Hard to imagine though, JP's made Klaus bigger than he ever was in the books so I don't know if she'd kill him off permanently.

That's interesting about the writer's room, I also forgot Micheal Narducci made that statement about not writing for ships. Cami's death may look suspiciously like she was killed off for ships and/or being hated but it could also just be a coincidence and the writers wanting to make a big move like that in killing off a long time main character. I always had the feeling that Klaus and Cami may have been the 'main ship' I should say for Klaus whenever she started getting more of those heart to heart type scenes with him. Though now that she's been killed off, there may not be any point to bring in any other interests as they will just pale in comparison to the Klaroline and Klamille dynamic and a random no name will just get killed off and not last long. It's likely only Hope and family for Klaus' endgame at this point. That line about Klaus being Caroline's last has been the biggest tease to Klaroline ever, it's the reason this ship will never die lol. And even if Steroline are endgame and the show's over, I'm sure the argument will be made that Steroline won't be together for eternity and break up at some point and that's when Klaroline will happen lol.

They ended up only breaking Klaus' sire line before someone stopped Davina from completing the spell, so everyone else is still fair game for their entire lineage to die as well. So bringing that up, yeah that makes sense that they would need to save them for half the vampire race. So, thinking about it, I guess Finn never sired anyone? Cause they never mentioned any of that when he died and I know he was always so against being a vampire. 

I can see them getting rid of Kol - they've done it plenty of times before - but Elijah was the other one bitten so I'd be shocked if they let him go. We'd be left with Klaus and Bekkah, and who knows how many episodes Claire Holt is planning to show up in, lol.

Yep, it did seem like they were grooming Klaus for a "real" relationship with Cami. More mature overall and making him come to terms with his actual issues. But I agree, no way will this fandom die - they're as bad as SEs, lol. Maybe Cami was just a way for them to get to a "better" version of Klaus so he could be better for Haley and Hope, because the last few episodes, he's been so great with them. Whether or not they take them there romantically again, I think it is definitely a dynamic that they want to push. Klaley being there for each other no matter what and no matter who they are with.

Maybe it only counted when Finn died the first time back when Sage and the random vamp she sired died after Finn was killed off. I wonder if the sire line cycle just starts anew when they die and come back and turn someone again and if said vampire will die when the original vampire dies again. Ack, I can feel my tongue getting into a knot from just reading that in my head lol.

Yeah Elijah feels more important as far as him surviving over Kol, if it came down to a choice of the two. Even more so with the whole trinity being based on who Klaus, Rebekah, and Elijah turned and not including Finn and Kol to make it a five type of deal. Can't see them pulling a Cami with Elijah since with Claire Holt not being a series regular, there has to be some Original dynamic still in play. Elijah and Klaus have a longer history together than Kol does and work better off of each other with their different moral conflicts/personalities. Though killing Elijah also won't affect any characters in TVD so who knows what JP could pull with Elijah, and Klaus too since he's conveniently the only one who's sire line is broken.

I agree with what you mentioned about Klayley, they've been at each other's throats from time to time but they share an important dynamic centering around Hope. I guess you can really see that Michael Narducci coming into play through the writing, character development and experiences that doesn't get retconned or made non existent by the next episode. TO also comes off darker and dabbles more into it's supernatural lore than TVD. If the shows merge we could possibly get the best of both worlds, getting back some of the better writers that JP took with her to the other show.

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They ended up only breaking Klaus' sire line before someone stopped Davina from completing the spell, so everyone else is still fair game for their entire lineage to die as well. So bringing that up, yeah that makes sense that they would need to save them for half the vampire race. So, thinking about it, I guess Finn never sired anyone? Cause they never mentioned any of that when he died and I know he was always so against being a vampire. 

I can see them getting rid of Kol - they've done it plenty of times before - but Elijah was the other one bitten so I'd be shocked if they let him go. We'd be left with Klaus and Bekkah, and who knows how many episodes Claire Holt is planning to show up in, lol.

Yep, it did seem like they were grooming Klaus for a "real" relationship with Cami. More mature overall and making him come to terms with his actual issues. But I agree, no way will this fandom die - they're as bad as SEs, lol. Maybe Cami was just a way for them to get to a "better" version of Klaus so he could be better for Haley and Hope, because the last few episodes, he's been so great with them. Whether or not they take them there romantically again, I think it is definitely a dynamic that they want to push. Klaley being there for each other no matter what and no matter who they are with.

Maybe it only counted when Finn died the first time back when Sage and the random vamp she sired died after Finn was killed off. I wonder if the sire line cycle just starts anew when they die and come back and turn someone again and if said vampire will die when the original vampire dies again. Ack, I can feel my tongue getting into a knot from just reading that in my head lol.

Yeah Elijah feels more important as far as him surviving over Kol, if it came down to a choice of the two. Even more so with the whole trinity being based on who Klaus, Rebekah, and Elijah turned and not including Finn and Kol to make it a five type of deal. Can't see them pulling a Cami with Elijah since with Claire Holt not being a series regular, there has to be some Original dynamic still in play. Elijah and Klaus have a longer history together than Kol does and work better off of each other with their different moral conflicts/personalities. Though killing Elijah also won't affect any characters in TVD so who knows what JP could pull with Elijah, and Klaus too since he's conveniently the only one who's sire line is broken.

I agree with what you mentioned about Klayley, they've been at each other's throats from time to time but they share an important dynamic centering around Hope. I guess you can really see that Michael Narducci coming into play through the writing, character development and experiences that doesn't get retconned or made non existent by the next episode. TO also comes off darker and dabbles more into it's supernatural lore than TVD. If the shows merge we could possibly get the best of both worlds, getting back some of the better writers that JP took with her to the other show.

That's a good point. I do enjoy the storytelling more on TO, so if they merged, it would be interesting to see if they could get TVD back to why we fell in love with it in the first place.

As for the Finn/Kol stuff, sometimes I feel like they throw in so much stuff and an insane amount of different details just to confuse us so that when they decide to go off-book, we won't be able to refute what the heck they did, lol. I'm not even exactly sure what happened to Finn initially since he's been a witch and his soul was in a pendant, etc. etc. etc. I can't tell up from down when it comes to Finn's lore.

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i need to catch up bad lol might start binge watching im still near end of season 1. too many shows lol

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I had to post this season 4 photo of the cast! Not only do we have Claire Holt, but this little cutie is Hope! That means she will have a new and interesting storyline! This little girl is ADORBS! Summer Fontana.

http://instagram.com/p/BJn4VgHA-O4