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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 4, 2013 21:46:20 GMT -5
If you look back at my post..NOT MY ARGUMENT because i wasn't even making an argument I wanted to see peoples thoughts. I pointed out the bad things i can remember that both klaus and Damon had both did. Past and Present. I wasnt trying to bring Damon down I was pointing that both comments that were said from each character about being debatable could actually be debatable. Please dont assume I was doing otherwise ;/ because I definitely was not. This is the line in your OP which refutes what you are saying now was your purpose for writing it and which I took offense to right off the bat: I wanted to know people's thoughts about this specific conversation and who you think has done worseRead more: tvd1.proboards.com/thread/487/why-klaus-murderous?page=6#page=1#ixzz2JzL7WkkIThat's asking for a direct comparison and asking us who we think has done worse which means you are implying that Damon may have done worse. If you didn't think so there'd be no comparison to make. Klaus has been alive 1000 years and probably killed thousands of people by now. There is NO comparison to be made here. I wouldn't even think of putting Stefan up against Klaus for direct comparison in a debate. That's just asking to be flamed, and he has certainly killed many more innocent people than Damon has as the Ripper, which is why I brought him up when I did. They don't call him the Ripper for nothing. Then that was wrong of me and didnt mean to compare them in that form of who has done worse. Like I said It took me a while to make this post since it was long and I was multi tasking in between of making it. I didnt go over it before I had posted it and I should have. But either way I didnt make an argument about it more of a question. I never stated that i think Damon has done worse. I shoudve worded it differently. I apologize for that. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 4, 2013 21:48:16 GMT -5
Because that is what he believes now and that is what he is operating under now. I don't think he ever expected to be forgiven and I think it surprises him every day that she did, to be honest. Well, i think he needs to rethink that because then under his own beliefs he is not forgivable... and the entire statement made no sense as an answer to why he is. He doesn't believe he is forgiveable for some of the things he did but yet he has been forgiven by Elena. I don't see the conflict. It is what he believes and it is apparent in the way he looks at things. Right now he can't fully believe she loves him and it isn't soley because of the sirebond. He has said for a long time that he doesn't deserve her, even back in 2x08. |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 4, 2013 22:02:00 GMT -5
Discussing the Whole Klaus and Damon Convo in 4x12
Klaus: How is that she manages to overlook every horrific thing you have ever done? Is it willful ignorance or perhaps a bit more pathological?
Damon: Some people are just more capable of forgiveness than others. I bet you score about a negative 500 in that realm.
Klaus: Come on there must be a secret. It can't JUST be the sirebond. What is it? Compulsion? Manipulation? What is it you say to her?
Damon: I think this has something to do with a certain blonde vampire. I think you murdered Carol Lockwood and I think you are worried Caroline's never going to forgive you.
Klaus: You've done worse
Damon: Debatable. See I don't mind being the bad guy because someone has to fill the role to get things done. You do bad things for no reason. You do them to be a dick.
Klaus: Debatable
Damon: If you are going to be bad be bad with purpose. Otherwise you are just not worth forgiving.
Now Klaus automatically stated that Damon has done worse then him when it comes to being bad. Which caught me off guard bc we all know Klaus is supposed to be the ultimate bad guy. But I think he meant Damon has maybe done worse to Elena? And she has still forgiven him? And then Damon states Klaus does bad things to be a dick and Klaus says debatable.
I also feel Damon has done bad things to just be a dick and NOT Always done things for a purpose. And I also feel that Klaus HAS Done way worse then Damon. I wanted to know people's thoughts about this specific conversation and figure out if each side could be debatable with Klaus and Damon
Below are a list of bad things that both Klaus and Damon have done in the Past and the Present time.
Klaus
• Killed his Mother: For putting curse on him
• Killed his Father: Because his father wanted to kill them..or him for killing Esther
• Killed the Hunters: Because they daggered his family so he slaughtered them
• Slaughtered Katherine's entire family when she escaped from him
• Had Isobel compelled to kill herself once she completed her mission he had made her do taking Elena or getting Katherine
• Kidnapped Tyler and Caroline for the Ritual of Breaking the Curse
• Killed Jules: for the breaking of the curse
• Killed Jenna For the breaking of the curse (Also to be a dick because he could've taken anyone else and did it to make it worse for Elena)
• Killed the Werewolves: In the attempt of creating Hybrids but it failed.
• Had Stefan Kill the Students on Prank Night: To be A Dick and make Elena Suffer
• Compelled Stefan to bite Elena
• Killed Tyler: To put pressure on the group to create his hybrids mission accomplished
• Had Jeremy run down by a SUV when Stefan stole the Coffins (And Hit Alaric Instead)
• Had Tyler bite Caroline to make goods with the Sheriff? Or to possible make a move on Caroline?
• Killed his Hybrids: Because they were trying to execute a plan to take him down and betray him
• Killed Carol Lockwood: As Revenge towards Tyler for trying to plan against him and take him down
• Has Daggered his siblings numerous times when they disagree with him or to get them out the way (Also had them daggered until he took Michael out of the way?)
• Killed a bar filled of people to turn them into vampires so Jeremy can kill them so his mark could be completed
(Feel free to add more if I missed anything for both Klaus and Damon =))
Damon
(Prior Klaus)
• Used Caroline as a Blood bag and almost killed her when she was of no use to him
• Attacked Vicky and made her a vampire because he was bored and to get back at Stefan for taking his ring
• Killed Alaric when Alaric tried to kill him for killing his wife but turned out he actually turned her to a vampire
• Attacked Bonnie when she destroyed the crystal to help free Katherine from the tomb
• Threw Uncle John off the roof when he couldn't be trusted or threatened to reveal him to the council
• Attempted to kill Caroline when she turned into a Vampire
• Snapped Jeremys Neck when he was drunk and was rejected by both katherine and Elena
• Attacked Mason when he thought he was a werewolf
• Killed Mason after realizing Mason couldn't be trusted and was working with Katherine
• Killed the cops that had attacked Stefan and Damon when Mason outed them to Liz (And Caroline saved them)
• Daggered Elijah
• Killed Lucas after he saw he was trying to un dagger Elijah
(After Klaus Arrived)
• Almost messed up the ritual of breaking the curse by feeding Elena his blood
• Snapped Alaric's Neck when he kept getting on his nerves
• Snapped Kol's Neck for trying to kill Matt
• Tried to kill Caroline's dad because he threatened to out him to the council
• Tried to Kill Matt because Matt had survived the accident that Elena didn't
• Tried to kill Rebekah for causing Elena to turn into a vampire
Read more: tvd1.proboards.com/thread/487/why-klaus-murderous#ixzz2JzQSNwKS
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 4, 2013 22:18:48 GMT -5
This is a tough job!!! Your Original post is now at the end of the the darn thing!!! Doppel?  HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One thing at a time... Hold up! =) |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 4, 2013 22:19:01 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think so. The bigger problem is since she deleted your first post we can't modify it with your second post so that one winds up at the bottom instead of the top since it's time stamped. I don't see a way to sticky it.
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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 4, 2013 22:19:36 GMT -5
Discussing the Whole Klaus and Damon Convo in 4x12
Klaus: How is that she manages to overlook every horrific thing you have ever done? Is it willful ignorance or perhaps a bit more pathological?Damon: Some people are just more capable of forgiveness than others. I bet you score about a negative 500 in that realm. Klaus: Come on there must be a secret. It can't JUST be the sirebond. What is it? Compulsion? Manipulation? What is it you say to her?Damon: I think this has something to do with a certain blonde vampire. I think you murdered Carol Lockwood and I think you are worried Caroline's never going to forgive you. Klaus: You've done worseDamon: Debatable. See I don't mind being the bad guy because someone has to fill the role to get things done. You do bad things for no reason. You do them to be a dick. Klaus: DebatableDamon: If you are going to be bad be bad with purpose. Otherwise you are just not worth forgiving.
Now Klaus automatically stated that Damon has done worse then him when it comes to being bad. Which caught me off guard bc we all know Klaus is supposed to be the ultimate bad guy. But I think he meant Damon has maybe done worse to Elena? And she has still forgiven him? And then Damon states Klaus does bad things to be a dick and Klaus says debatable.
I also feel Damon has done bad things to just be a dick and NOT Always done things for a purpose. And I also feel that Klaus HAS Done way worse then Damon. I wanted to know people's thoughts about this specific conversation and figure out if each side could be debatable with Klaus and Damon
Below are a list of bad things that both Klaus and Damon have done in the Past and the Present time.
Klaus
• Killed his Mother: For putting curse on him
• Killed his Father: Because his father wanted to kill them..or him for killing Esther
• Killed the Hunters: Because they daggered his family so he slaughtered them
• Slaughtered Katherine's entire family when she escaped from him
• Had Isobel compelled to kill herself once she completed her mission he had made her do taking Elena or getting Katherine
• Kidnapped Tyler and Caroline for the Ritual of Breaking the Curse
• Killed Jules: for the breaking of the curse
• Killed Jenna For the breaking of the curse (Also to be a dick because he could've taken anyone else and did it to make it worse for Elena)
• Killed the Werewolves: In the attempt of creating Hybrids but it failed.
• Had Stefan Kill the Students on Prank Night: To be A Dick and make Elena Suffer
• Compelled Stefan to bite Elena
• Killed Tyler: To put pressure on the group to create his hybrids mission accomplished
• Had Jeremy run down by a SUV when Stefan stole the Coffins (And Hit Alaric Instead)
• Had Tyler bite Caroline to make goods with the Sheriff? Or to possible make a move on Caroline?
• Killed his Hybrids: Because they were trying to execute a plan to take him down and betray him
• Killed Carol Lockwood: As Revenge towards Tyler for trying to plan against him and take him down
• Has Daggered his siblings numerous times when they disagree with him or to get them out the way (Also had them daggered until he took Michael out of the way?)
• Killed a bar filled of people to turn them into vampires so Jeremy can kill them so his mark could be completed
(Feel free to add more if I missed anything for both Klaus and Damon =))
Damon
(Prior Klaus)
• Used Caroline as a Blood bag and almost killed her when she was of no use to him
• Attacked Vicky and made her a vampire because he was bored and to get back at Stefan for taking his ring
• Killed Alaric when Alaric tried to kill him for killing his wife but turned out he actually turned her to a vampire
• Attacked Bonnie when she destroyed the crystal to help free Katherine from the tomb
• Threw Uncle John off the roof when he couldn't be trusted or threatened to reveal him to the council
• Attempted to kill Caroline when she turned into a Vampire
• Snapped Jeremys Neck when he was drunk and was rejected by both katherine and Elena
• Attacked Mason when he thought he was a werewolf
• Killed Mason after realizing Mason couldn't be trusted and was working with Katherine
• Killed the cops that had attacked Stefan and Damon when Mason outed them to Liz (And Caroline saved them)
• Daggered Elijah
• Killed Lucas after he saw he was trying to un dagger Elijah
(After Klaus Arrived)
• Almost messed up the ritual of breaking the curse by feeding Elena his blood
• Snapped Alaric's Neck when he kept getting on his nerves
• Snapped Kol's Neck for trying to kill Matt
• Tried to kill Caroline's dad because he threatened to out him to the council
• Tried to Kill Matt because Matt had survived the accident that Elena didn't
• Tried to kill Rebekah for causing Elena to turn into a vampire
Shouldnt this be first lol sorry if ya working on it while i interrupt with my commetns hahaha |
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 4, 2013 22:20:53 GMT -5
Can we ask Teppy to copy and paste Ruby's post into her first comment? Or can she post her post into that other thread then I can move it here and delete it again from there. Since it's time stamped?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 4, 2013 22:21:13 GMT -5
Hmmm...yeah, we're screwed unless we modify Teppy's post which is first and add Ruby's stuff in there but then it looks like Teppy's thread.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 4, 2013 22:22:31 GMT -5
hahaha...moderator training here...
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Post by Doppelgänger on Feb 4, 2013 22:23:28 GMT -5
Otherwise you moved everything nicely EXCEPT THE FIRST POST.  |
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Post by Ruby2579 on Feb 4, 2013 22:23:29 GMT -5
its ok if we do that I think Teppy would understand =) And just put originally posted by Ruby or something idk
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 4, 2013 22:25:33 GMT -5
OK. Let's try that!!! lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 22:25:45 GMT -5
do what you have to do! idc
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Feb 4, 2013 22:28:22 GMT -5
Ok girls I did it... Now I must jet for a few because I have a hungry 3 year old who wants dinner and it's almost 8 here. =)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 17:49:22 GMT -5
Well, i think he needs to rethink that because then under his own beliefs he is not forgivable... and the entire statement made no sense as an answer to why he is. He doesn't believe he is forgiveable for some of the things he did but yet he has been forgiven by Elena. I don't see the conflict. It is what he believes and it is apparent in the way he looks at things. Right now he can't fully believe she loves him and it isn't soley because of the sirebond. He has said for a long time that he doesn't deserve her, even back in 2x08. Well that is the conflict. Why pursue someone the way he has pursued Elena if you know and acknowledge you do not deserve her forgiveness because of the things you have done to her? If he thought he was not worthy of her forgiveness he would not have said..Don't forget the things you felt while Stefan was gone... or We have something Elena or I am sure if I look there are more. His words and actions of pursuing Elena says he does think he deserving of forgiveness and his statement to Klaus basically says that Klaus is not because he does things to be a dick... like Damon forgot he does that too. |
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