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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 21:47:09 GMT -5
I agree in a sense, when CD wanted to cut down the 3 second speech feeling that it was a bit too much, JP gave the green light to leave the speech as it is. So many scenes came off as baiting in a way just because of the way JP wrote things and never bothered to fill in the blanks until like five episodes later or something. Scenes like Damon looking at Enzo/Bonnie on the couch and then right after calling Stefan to help distract himself from what he witnessed, would obviously be taken in two different ways depending on the fandom. If JP took the time to put some flashbacks of Delena in that moment, then there'd be no 'ambiguous' overtones to debate. Then there was the Damon shirtless scene that felt like an obvious bait since it just made no sense in general unless we were supposed to think of it as Damon thinking of Bonnie as 'one of the guys' and that Bonnie's non reaction to show that she wasn't attracted to Damon. Though despite that, if we go back over the season (this time without the paranoia of Bamon looming over our heads and blinding us to the fact that it was never going to happen), JP in no way tricked Bamons or led them to believe that Bamon was going to happen and pulled the rug out from under them. Every speech that Bonnie and Damon had, JP littered the words friends/best friends all over to the point it got comical. Bonnie never admitted to being attracted to Damon or having feelings for him and vice versa with Damon who was never conflicted about his love for Elena, it stayed a strong focus from beginning to end, he was never 'struggling' with any new romantic feelings for Bonnie. And just to draw that point home, JP even had Damon say the line 'like Elena loved you' just to make it more obvious, though of course the more rabid fans will twist it. There are Bamons out there saying that JP lead them on that Bamon would be a thing, even though there were quotes from CD/the cast where they came outright and said that Bamon wouldn't happen, but instead Bamons took that in a way that meant JP was trying to keep it as a surprise for when Bamon did happen. I don't know how anyone could think that two characters who are both involved in a relationship with other people and have never admitted to any romantic feelings for the other all season would suddenly kiss and be together in the finale. Bamons deluded themselves the entire ride and wanted to pretend like Elena didn't exist or that Bonnie wasn't in a relationship with Enzo. They really have no one to blame but themselves. I also think a lot of the extra Bamon scenes in general was one, attributed to Ian and Kat wanting more scenes together and JP herself likes the friendship of the two in general and of course both Nina and later on Candace due to her pregnancy, being absent for that later half of the season and that next season Caroline will go back to JP's favorite leading lady along with Steroline as the main romantic ship. I feel Kat Graham is leaving TVD for a reason and it's likely because she thought with Nina gone that Bamon would for sure be given a go but as it turns out that didn't happen. I agree with you, especially the bolded part, because despite everything there were large chunks of the season that had very little Bamon of ANY kind when Candice was around. I remember having a conversation with a Bamon shipper during last Summer's hiatus who was trying to convince me that Bamon were going to happen for sure. I remember how sure she was to the point where she actually said I was being delusional about DE continuing beyond the first few episodes and that I should prepare myself for the disintegration of DE in the same way SE was dismantled. I told her SHE was the one setting herself up for monumental disappointment and she would only have herself to blame if she believed the hype. The problem with this anti DE fandom (Stelena's) is that they have never believed in the DE story, they watched a different show and they still are and after 7 seasons of listening to their utter stupidity, i've come to the conclusion they will never understand this show or Damon. It's their loss, hence why they are so bitter and angry. Yeah during the course of season 7, Bamon fans were acting all high and mighty. Making posts about how us poor little DE shippers were deluding ourselves to not think that JP was building up to a Bamon romance and that JP had managed to suck us all in by keeping Elena alive for the ratings only to have us fooled as Bamon ran supreme at the end. Though of course at the end when they turned out to be wrong, then they want to play the victim cards and tweet to JP about how mean the DE fandom is being to them when all season they've been making vicious jokes about intelligence of the DE fandom and 'coffin' jokes. And you know in regards to the bolded, I also find it baffling when it comes to news articles covering the romance in the show. It was laughable how they'd take one screenshot of Elena standing in between Damon and Stefan or just her and Stefan and suddenly they're all like, 'Oh looks like Stelena's back on!'. They never pay attention to the context of scenes and exaggerate a simple conversation between two opposite gender characters. This season was the worst of it. All these articles hyping up Bamon and talking about how these two need to get together based on really dumb reasons like one conversation where they're at each other's throats or how the show needs a change in the romance department and that Delena is old news or something lol. It's like do you people who write these articles even watch the show? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 8, 2016 6:59:04 GMT -5
JP has no one to blame but herself for the rabid BD fandom. She should have never baited the In the first place, and she should have told Ian and KG to cool it a long time ago. Boman was forced from the beginning, and thinking people saw it as the pathetic actor service that it was. I agree in a sense, when CD wanted to cut down the 3 second speech feeling that it was a bit too much, JP gave the green light to leave the speech as it is. So many scenes came off as baiting in a way just because of the way JP wrote things and never bothered to fill in the blanks until like five episodes later or something. Scenes like Damon looking at Enzo/Bonnie on the couch and then right after calling Stefan to help distract himself from what he witnessed, would obviously be taken in two different ways depending on the fandom. If JP took the time to put some flashbacks of Delena in that moment, then there'd be no 'ambiguous' overtones to debate. Then there was the Damon shirtless scene that felt like an obvious bait since it just made no sense in general unless we were supposed to think of it as Damon thinking of Bonnie as 'one of the guys' and that Bonnie's non reaction to show that she wasn't attracted to Damon. Though despite that, if we go back over the season (this time without the paranoia of Bamon looming over our heads and blinding us to the fact that it was never going to happen), JP in no way tricked Bamons or led them to believe that Bamon was going to happen and pulled the rug out from under them. Every speech that Bonnie and Damon had, JP littered the words friends/best friends all over to the point it got comical. Bonnie never admitted to being attracted to Damon or having feelings for him and vice versa with Damon who was never conflicted about his love for Elena, it stayed a strong focus from beginning to end, he was never 'struggling' with any new romantic feelings for Bonnie. And just to draw that point home, JP even had Damon say the line 'like Elena loved you' just to make it more obvious, though of course the more rabid fans will twist it. There are Bamons out there saying that JP lead them on that Bamon would be a thing, even though there were quotes from CD/the cast where they came outright and said that Bamon wouldn't happen, but instead Bamons took that in a way that meant JP was trying to keep it as a surprise for when Bamon did happen. I don't know how anyone could think that two characters who are both involved in a relationship with other people and have never admitted to any romantic feelings for the other all season would suddenly kiss and be together in the finale. Bamons deluded themselves the entire ride and wanted to pretend like Elena didn't exist or that Bonnie wasn't in a relationship with Enzo. They really have no one to blame but themselves. I also think a lot of the extra Bamon scenes in general was one, attributed to Ian and Kat wanting more scenes together and JP herself likes the friendship of the two in general and of course both Nina and later on Candace due to her pregnancy, being absent for that later half of the season and that next season Caroline will go back to JP's favorite leading lady along with Steroline as the main romantic ship. I feel Kat Graham is leaving TVD for a reason and it's likely because she thought with Nina gone that Bamon would for sure be given a go but as it turns out that didn't happen. I agree. I was genuinely concerned for a while that they were going to go there, no matter how illogical and ooc I thought it would be, so to me that proves the baiting. JP was trying to have it all but you can't have it all and not look like a watered down version of what TVD could have been. She did it with Stelena back in the day, too and frustrated so many DEs that a lot of them gave up hope and left before DE ever even got off the ground. She fails as a writer because she dangles carrots for so long that she pisses people off and by the time she gives it to them, they are too disgusted to get any real joy out of it (me as a DE! and all the fans who quit watching before it ever happened!). But DE was always supposed to happen in some capacity. The same can't be said for BD. At the same time CD said in no uncertain terms that BD was never gonna happen and yet they still believed it, assuming she was hiding her real agenda. That's on them. JP never indicated there was ever any chance for BD either and has since pretty much said the same thing as CD, that she has no plans to go there. How there can even still be BDs after all that shows that the delusion is real and no matter what happens they will keep imagining their ship is having moments when it isn't. I also lay a lot of the blame at Ian's feet for all HIS baiting of BD. I think he's more to blame than JP in that he gave them hope because they thought he'd get what he wanted eventually or was giving them an inside look behind the scenes. His talk about BD being shelved due to too much chemistry is a real laugh to me and was always just his opinion and not a fact but they took it as such. They took everything he said as if it was proof BD would happen down the road. They also throw around that it happened in the books and it didn't! With that one they deluded themselves. BD was baited in the books for sure, but it was a one sided thing, with Bonnie being enamored with Damon, but still she'd have never gone there because of Elena. With Damon, it was affection for the little redhead who had a crush on him. He wanted to protect the tiny little sweet girl from harm, not sleep with her! He still only had romantic eyes for Elena in the books. So all their book outcries are also lies. The Bonnie in the show is also NOT a frail fragile naive girl like she was in the books, which changed their possible dynamic quite a bit and really made it more suited to the relationship he had with Meredith in the books, which was more friendly foes. Show Bonnie comes off a lot more like Meredith to me and even making them 'best' friends really ruined what they had as friendly foes which could have been played off of so much better. It was completely NOT believable to me that in the TVD universe that we had been watching all these years that Bonnie and Damon would EVER be best friends, especially with the way they did it completely off screen. We were just supposed to believe it happened somehow. THAT was the actor service. It was never meant to go romantic at all. I do have to give the writers credit for always inserting Elena and/or the word 'friend' into 99% of their interactions so nobody could mistake it for anything else. 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Post by ritz on Jun 8, 2016 13:51:49 GMT -5
The two things I had the biggest problem with where Boman is concerned did not even happen in season 7. They happened in the season 6 finale, and they finalized my decision to not tune in for season 7. The first was cutting the Delena forehead kiss, but including a hurl inducing Boman one, and the second was doing a Boman bridal carry instead of a Delena one. I had a HUGE problem with that. Delena fans deserved so much better than Delena moments being given to Boman. Those scenes were nothing but fan bait and actor service and just seemed TOTALLY WRONG, unearned, and out of place. Boman ruined the Season 6 finale completely. Just as they ruined Season 6. I may watch TVD, but only if Elena comes back and Bonnie is gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 14:59:44 GMT -5
I'm with you there, the forehead kiss and bridal carry felt like a slap in the face to DE's. Since those were moments special with Damon and Elena, of course then Bamons were making comparisons and saying how Bonnie suddenly was on the same level as Elena in Damon and meant that Damon was also in love with Bonnie too. Though I feel like the chessiness with Bamon could go back even further to the pancake making and shopping in the AU. And one of the worst offenders when they intentionally putting Bonnie in the Salvatore kitchen so that the first person she'd meet is Damon and then that OOC jump hug. Damon doesn't even do that with Elena lol. We later find out from JP that the reunion between Damon and Bonnie in that moment was 'real' cause it showed how happy Ian and Kat were able to work with each other again. So it was more of an Ian and Kat friends on set moment than it was between Damon and Bonnie.
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Post by ritz on Jun 8, 2016 16:31:49 GMT -5
I'm with you there, the forehead kiss and bridal carry felt like a slap in the face to DE's. Since those were moments special with Damon and Elena, of course then Bamons were making comparisons and saying how Bonnie suddenly was on the same level as Elena in Damon and meant that Damon was also in love with Bonnie too. Though I feel like the chessiness with Bamon could go back even further to the pancake making and shopping in the AU. And one of the worst offenders when they intentionally putting Bonnie in the Salvatore kitchen so that the first person she'd meet is Damon and then that OOC jump hug. Damon doesn't even do that with Elena lol. We later find out from JP that the reunion between Damon and Bonnie in that moment was 'real' cause it showed how happy Ian and Kat were able to work with each other again. So it was more of an Ian and Kat friends on set moment than it was between Damon and Bonnie. So totally agree. THAT is when I really quit watching the show (and FFing the majority if it) except for DE scenes, but I didn't even DVR season 7 because of the season 6 finale. I haven't watched any of S7 except for a few DE scenes in YT. That's how much the the S6 finale turned me off to the show. The baiting was pretty obvious at that point and into S7, IMO, but the majority of fans were not buying it, so somewhere along the line it seems JP started backtracking. Another thing was the Defan conversation where they discussed how not all love is real love or whatever--I can't remember the exact wording--and BDers took the to be more than just about Stelena vs. Steroline but Delena as well. I do think that JP was laying the groundwork in S6 for the possibility of BD but BD continued to crash the ratings so she had to rethink things. I guess she was only willing to cater to Ian's ego and KG's ambition so much and at some point she had to get real. BD baiting was stupid. It ruined Bonnie's character, and it practically ruined Damon's character. Bonnie really seems as if she could not care less about the fact Elena is in a coma and that Damon is suffering. She comes of as a self-centered bitch lacking in compassion and the worst friend ever!
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 8, 2016 18:26:58 GMT -5
I'm with you there, the forehead kiss and bridal carry felt like a slap in the face to DE's. Since those were moments special with Damon and Elena, of course then Bamons were making comparisons and saying how Bonnie suddenly was on the same level as Elena in Damon and meant that Damon was also in love with Bonnie too. Though I feel like the chessiness with Bamon could go back even further to the pancake making and shopping in the AU. And one of the worst offenders when they intentionally putting Bonnie in the Salvatore kitchen so that the first person she'd meet is Damon and then that OOC jump hug. Damon doesn't even do that with Elena lol. We later find out from JP that the reunion between Damon and Bonnie in that moment was 'real' cause it showed how happy Ian and Kat were able to work with each other again. So it was more of an Ian and Kat friends on set moment than it was between Damon and Bonnie. So totally agree. THAT is when I really quit watching the show (and FFing the majority if it) except for DE scenes, but I didn't even DVR season 7 because of the season 6 finale. I haven't watched any of S7 except for a few DE scenes in YT. That's how much the the S6 finale turned me off to the show. The baiting was pretty obvious at that point and into S7, IMO, but the majority of fans were not buying it, so somewhere along the line it seems JP started backtracking. Another thing was the Defan conversation where they discussed how not all love is real love or whatever--I can't remember the exact wording--and BDers took the to be more than just about Stelena vs. Steroline but Delena as well. I do think that JP was laying the groundwork in S6 for the possibility of BD but BD continued to crash the ratings so she had to rethink things. I guess she was only willing to cater to Ian's ego and KG's ambition so much and at some point she had to get real. BD baiting was stupid. It ruined Bonnie's character, and it practically ruined Damon's character. Bonnie really seems as if she could not care less about the fact Elena is in a coma and that Damon is suffering. She comes of as a self-centered bitch lacking in compassion and the worst friend ever!
This is so true and while I have never been a Bonnie fan, her behavior this past season made me even less able to stand seeing her on my screen. Between cheerleading for Damon to cheat on Elena and being so selfish that she couldn't even let Damon explain his reasons for desiccating because she didn't care, only her feelings mattered, I want to just slap her right off my TV screen for good. How the hell is THAT a best friend? The whole thing makes zero sense. I forgot about all the baiting at the end of the 6th season (conveniently) and I do believe they were trying to test the waters as was spoiled about BD, but probably only because of Ian and Kat's insistence and their desperation to keep the ratings up so they were willing to try anything. I'm glad it failed miserably. The ratings sank and stayed down and they got tons of negative feedback for doing it. Let's hope that 'friendship' is over for good now. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 10, 2016 17:54:54 GMT -5
Still making it up as they go along...now it's the crow that's really a Bamon thing. They already tried to make the pancakes about them and the teddy bear. It's like they don't even watch the same show as we do. The pancakes were a Delena thing, which is why he kept making them in the other world place, because it reminded him of Elena...duh. The teddy bear was originally a Delena thing, too. Elena's teddy bear? Remember the scene where he was playing with it on the bed in an early season? Well I do! And now the crow wasn't about Elena when Bonnie touched her. How would touching Elena bring about the crow visions then, eh? If these people just used their brains once in a while it would be a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 20:13:05 GMT -5
Still making it up as they go along...now it's the crow that's really a Bamon thing. They already tried to make the pancakes about them and the teddy bear. It's like they don't even watch the same show as we do. The pancakes were a Delena thing, which is why he kept making them in the other world place, because it reminded him of Elena...duh. The teddy bear was originally a Delena thing, too. Elena's teddy bear? Remember the scene where he was playing with it on the bed in an early season? Well I do! And now the crow wasn't about Elena when Bonnie touched her. How would touching Elena bring about the crow visions then, eh? If these people just used their brains once in a while it would be a good thing. Hah this tweet was written today! lol. I think it's a little way past late to start arguing that the crow is a 'Bamon' thing considering if they actually pay attention to the context of scenes, this foreshadow had already played out with the graveyard scene and question and the fact that DE has been intertwined in each other's lives since. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 11, 2016 7:21:23 GMT -5
Still making it up as they go along...now it's the crow that's really a Bamon thing. They already tried to make the pancakes about them and the teddy bear. It's like they don't even watch the same show as we do. The pancakes were a Delena thing, which is why he kept making them in the other world place, because it reminded him of Elena...duh. The teddy bear was originally a Delena thing, too. Elena's teddy bear? Remember the scene where he was playing with it on the bed in an early season? Well I do! And now the crow wasn't about Elena when Bonnie touched her. How would touching Elena bring about the crow visions then, eh? If these people just used their brains once in a while it would be a good thing. Hah this tweet was written today! lol. I think it's a little way past late to start arguing that the crow is a 'Bamon' thing considering if they actually pay attention to the context of scenes, this foreshadow had already played out with the graveyard scene and question and the fact that DE has been intertwined in each other's lives since. The thing about all these Bamon things that makes me laugh is that they aren't Bamon things at all. They were always DE things, even the teddy bear. What they don't seem to realize is that all their things are symbolic of DE or at the very least a rehash of past symbolism being thrown onto the BD interactions. There is nothing special about any of it in regard to BD's friendship. It's been done already for DE. They have nothing so they grasp at every straw they can imagine because it is all imagined things in the end. There are no genuine BD things at all. To see them fangirling over stuff that we already saw with DE is just laughable, like what? Did you not watch the rest of the series and know that Damon hugs teddy bears, like Elenas? Then the writers specifically show how the vampire cakes came into existence which should have stopped them in their tracks but no, they make tshirts! I mean grow a brain people? You were dragged hard with that one and yet it flew right over their collective heads. Wanting something to be true and having it be true are two very different things and I think they confuse the two all day long. I think that's what makes their fandom so frustrating is the total lack of thought they put into it. How do you talk sense to someone who isn't interesting in logic or reason? |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Jun 11, 2016 11:05:44 GMT -5
LOL...just say no to Bamon...it's bad for the world. Hey come to think of it, maybe Alaric was just pissed that he got replaced. This can be fixed, I tell ya! Bring back Dalaric!
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Post by vampirelust on Jun 11, 2016 13:56:01 GMT -5
Ha ha! You gotta love the DE fandom sometimes, but the Bamon fandom really do make it far too easy.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 13, 2016 20:57:49 GMT -5
It so nice, I almost completely forgot that BD was even a thing for some people but this is rofl material here....
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Post by Doppelgänger on Aug 27, 2016 0:26:23 GMT -5
Lol...welp we can laugh at it now can't we..so sad for them that all they ever got was manips...not!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 8:53:09 GMT -5
I love how it starts off with them seeming like they're just upset that Bonnie isn't worried about Damon as much as Enzo, her two most important people, no it's just really about how they want her to be obsessing over Damon. They could care less about whether Enzo was included in that equation or not. And you also gotta love how when Bonnie is only focused on Damon as the only important person in her life, Bamons act like it makes of so much sense for Bonnie's character to be so obsessed with Damon. But when it's about Enzo, you know her boyfriend? Suddenly they want to claim, okay where's her friendship with Stefan and Caroline and why isn't she interacting with Matt? Lol hey welcome back to planet earth, you now want to make complaints about Bonnie's relationships in the show when last season all of her relationships were pretty much non existent except for fanservice Bamon. The writing is finally making sense and only the Bamons seem to be the ones going, 'LOL stupid premiere. It was so dumb!' since they're salty about their non existent ship.
Bonnie is heartbroken. Why? Not because she’s lost the two most important men in her life. Because she’s lost Enzo. Damon might as well be chopped liver. Sure, Jan. Also, screw important, apparently Bonnie doesn’t have anyone else in her life except Enzo because she barely accepts Stefan’s friendship by the end and Caroline is a non-factor. Instead she spills her feelings to a diary addressed to her dead friend. Did Matt leave the show or…?
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Post by Doppelgänger on Oct 24, 2016 21:43:42 GMT -5
I love how it starts off with them seeming like they're just upset that Bonnie isn't worried about Damon as much as Enzo, her two most important people, no it's just really about how they want her to be obsessing over Damon. They could care less about whether Enzo was included in that equation or not. And you also gotta love how when Bonnie is only focused on Damon as the only important person in her life, Bamons act like it makes of so much sense for Bonnie's character to be so obsessed with Damon. But when it's about Enzo, you know her boyfriend? Suddenly they want to claim, okay where's her friendship with Stefan and Caroline and why isn't she interacting with Matt? Lol hey welcome back to planet earth, you now want to make complaints about Bonnie's relationships in the show when last season all of her relationships were pretty much non existent except for fanservice Bamon. The writing is finally making sense and only the Bamons seem to be the ones going, 'LOL stupid premiere. It was so dumb!' since they're salty about their non existent ship.
Bonnie is heartbroken. Why? Not because she’s lost the two most important men in her life. Because she’s lost Enzo. Damon might as well be chopped liver. Sure, Jan. Also, screw important, apparently Bonnie doesn’t have anyone else in her life except Enzo because she barely accepts Stefan’s friendship by the end and Caroline is a non-factor. Instead she spills her feelings to a diary addressed to her dead friend. Did Matt leave the show or…?LOL Well I think they deserve the non existence of Bamon this season. They were all WAY too confident for a ship that never sailed to win out over a ship that has been there the entire show and brought all the awards, I mean literally ALL the awards to TVD, and they saw what they wanted to see despite Damon's constant reminders that he was still all about Elena. They ignored what they wanted to ignore so they have nobody else to blame for their bitter tears now. I personally have ignored any BD related postings so far. As far as I am concerned they are as irrelevant now as they were before the silliness that JP wrote just to appease Ian. |
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