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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 10, 2015 13:35:49 GMT -5
I just remember season 1 + 2 they got "best couple" on those awards that fans vote on.But that was not the point of the post  Like said I don't like Stelena but I know others do and I just feel objectively the fans of that one got treated badly for the same exact thing Delena fans are doing now. I have seen posts on twitter and boards where delena fans are literally bullying and offering death threats to Bamon fans which is never cool I was just looking at it fairly was all. Sorry if I offended you by doing so You can look at it any way you like but I don't have to agree with you.  I also find no awards for Stelena unless I'm missing something: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_The_Vampire_Diaries
As for bullying as I've said elsewhere on this board, that goes across the board. I've been personally bullied by Stelena fans and I've seen some pretty intense bullying from Bamon fans as well. People are not always nice, especially when they aren't getting what they want and that is unfortunately the down side of human nature, but as for this site here, we are nice to each other or there's gonna be a problem! We don't have to like any other ships but we have to be nice to each other as people and members of this board and that's the best we can ask of each other. I don't hold people here accountable for what is said 'out there' because it wasn't these people here who said it!
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 10, 2015 13:38:10 GMT -5
I just remember season 1 + 2 they got "best couple" on those awards that fans vote on.But that was not the point of the post Like said I don't like Stelena but I know others do and I just feel objectively the fans of that one got treated badly for the same exact thing Delena fans are doing now. I have seen posts on twitter and boards where delena fans are literally bullying and offering death threats to Bamon fans which is never cool I was just looking at it fairly was all. Sorry if I offended you by doing so You can look at it any way you like but I don't have to agree with you. LOL fair enough. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 10, 2015 13:48:57 GMT -5
wheres the love for stefan i will continue watching the show until they revert stefan back to his former weak pathetic self i meant kind hearted pushover stefan wait let me start again to the white night stefan then im doneeeeeee. hehehe.... |
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 10, 2015 14:13:51 GMT -5
wheres the love for stefan i will continue watching the show until they revert stefan back to his former weak pathetic self i meant kind hearted pushover stefan wait let me start again to the white night stefan then im doneeeeeee. hehehe.... I am not a Stelena, but how are Stefan and Elena going to say good-bye if he is without his humanity? And Caroline/Elena? Are these loose ends that also need to be wrapped up before Nina exits? It seems to me that the reason they have thrown Stelenas a few bones this season (Elena picking up Stefan's photo and Elena saying she had two epic loves) are because they knew Nina was leaving. Am curious about how they have that SL end... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 18:34:24 GMT -5
Yeah sure but end game isn't the only thing we wanted to see. We wanted to actually see Delena happy and settled and interacting as a happy couple does and we got very little of that. In fact I don't think they were settled at all except for right before they died together! I mean what is that? Then Elena erases her memories so they can't fully enjoy their relationship then either and this was AFTER knowing that Nina was leaving so they still didn't give us one lousy season of happy Delena after winning them multiple awards as a fanbase. I really think we deserved at least that when they knew she was going to be out of there and what would it have hurt this season? It makes you wonder if they couldn't stand to be anywhere near each other and that's why we got so little Delena for quite a while now. It really does, no matter what they might say about their reasoning for such a crappy end to Delena. I agree on wanting to see them happier. I loved Delena untill they were together then felt it was meh. It was not handled well. I think part of the issue why it felt bad is the other big couple that won awards too of Stelena is the only time she felt happy in a couple. But I feel personally end game is best as as couple they cant be happy for one reason, Damon. Don't get me wrong I think he deserves happyness but he's a similar character to say spike from Buffy. When spike was "happy" he was really boring to watch (thats from a spuffy fan and spike fan) however when he put his coat back on and was bad ass again he was cool again because there are lots who want to see that. That's why a big thing I noticed during panels is they keep saying "we are going to bring damon back to how he was in season 1 and 2" because there are a lot of Delena fans but there is more Damon fans. Damon fans a lot want to see neck snappy , drinking , snarky damon not whimpy "I love you" Damon. Which I think is part of the issue overall is the show wants every ship to feel equally valid yet also every character to be at their best. The fanbase in large is also really hypocritical. Stelena fans "Booooo we cant see Elena with anyone else we will stop watching cause she's with damon" Delena fans "Thats silly Damon and Elena have something plus it's really petty to not watch due to us getting our ship" ..... Skip to 2015 Delena fans " Booooo we cant see Damon with anyone else we will stop watching cause he's going to be with bonnie" Bamon fans "Thats silly Damon and Bonnie have something plus it's really petty to not watch due to us getting our ship" ..... I can not be the only person who sees this irony right? lol But end game works best for Delena as everyone wins. Want Bad ass damon? coo;l you got him till final , Want Delena? in final you get it and they can make books and comics about them after and you can talk about how you see the future. Want Bamon? you can get them till the very end. It's almost IMO so perfect the writers wont do it lol But end game is a great place for happy ever afters to me. Well it's not really just us saying that, 'just to say that'. The narrative of the show, Damon's and Elena's lines have said as much. If Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years it shows how he's not someone who just loves for a moment, shrugs and moves on. Then Damon saying lines like, 'You are my life' to Elena. A line that is freaking powerful in terms of his love for her. If Damon next season goes, 'LOL she wasn't really.'
It's an insult to the audience's intelligence. Sorry I get really pet peeve-y when it comes to narrative and character development in a writing. These writers will be morons if they try to convince us that Damon was 'never really in love with Elena' or that he could move on so easily when it conflicts with multiple lines and quotes from the canon of their own show.
It's more than, 'Oh no she's not with the guy I want her to be!'. I'm not shipping them because I hate so and so a character or whatever. It's about the story the writers have been telling and they've really shot themselves in the foot to have Damon say lines like that to Elena and only Elena if he was just going to move on to some other random girl. It makes the relationship of any other girl he gets with seem like a joke because unless this show is getting renewed for another plus five seasons, no other girl will have the relationship development that Damon and Elena got together.
The writing for me has already gone downhill two seasons ago. It seemed like the only storyline that the writers actually paid close attention to and wrote consistently and properly was the slow build of Damon and Elena's love for each other, then they started to not care about their characters and kept retconning Damon and Elena for shock value moments and pairing baiting so it just became all about seeing Delena get their happy ending as endgame. But now the show's taken that from me and I don't see how a show that had a integral main character for six seasons now 'just disappear' and expect season 7 to even still make a lick of sense and not be OOC (having to explain away Elena who's all about her friends and family that she would die for them would suddenly just 'leave' them and the love of her life Damon) which is why I'm glad that with Nina's depature, that means Delena will be over as well (as far as physically on screen) so now I don't have to force myself through this show anymore.
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 11, 2015 18:39:52 GMT -5
I agree on wanting to see them happier. I loved Delena untill they were together then felt it was meh. It was not handled well. I think part of the issue why it felt bad is the other big couple that won awards too of Stelena is the only time she felt happy in a couple. But I feel personally end game is best as as couple they cant be happy for one reason, Damon. Don't get me wrong I think he deserves happyness but he's a similar character to say spike from Buffy. When spike was "happy" he was really boring to watch (thats from a spuffy fan and spike fan) however when he put his coat back on and was bad ass again he was cool again because there are lots who want to see that. That's why a big thing I noticed during panels is they keep saying "we are going to bring damon back to how he was in season 1 and 2" because there are a lot of Delena fans but there is more Damon fans. Damon fans a lot want to see neck snappy , drinking , snarky damon not whimpy "I love you" Damon. Which I think is part of the issue overall is the show wants every ship to feel equally valid yet also every character to be at their best. The fanbase in large is also really hypocritical. Stelena fans "Booooo we cant see Elena with anyone else we will stop watching cause she's with damon" Delena fans "Thats silly Damon and Elena have something plus it's really petty to not watch due to us getting our ship" ..... Skip to 2015 Delena fans " Booooo we cant see Damon with anyone else we will stop watching cause he's going to be with bonnie" Bamon fans "Thats silly Damon and Bonnie have something plus it's really petty to not watch due to us getting our ship" ..... I can not be the only person who sees this irony right? lol But end game works best for Delena as everyone wins. Want Bad ass damon? coo;l you got him till final , Want Delena? in final you get it and they can make books and comics about them after and you can talk about how you see the future. Want Bamon? you can get them till the very end. It's almost IMO so perfect the writers wont do it lol But end game is a great place for happy ever afters to me. Well it's not really just us saying that, 'just to say that'. The narrative of the show, Damon's and Elena's lines have said as much. If Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years it shows how he's not someone who just loves for a moment, shrugs and moves on. Then Damon saying lines like, 'You are my life' to Elena. A line that is freaking powerful in terms of his love for her. If Damon next season goes, 'LOL she wasn't really.'
It's an insult to the audience's intelligence. Sorry I get really pet peeve-y when it comes to narrative and character development in a writing. These writers will be morons if they try to convince us that Damon was 'never really in love with Elena' or that he could move on so easily when it conflicts with multiple lines and quotes from the canon of their own show.
It's more than, 'Oh no she's not with the guy I want her to be!'. I'm not shipping them because I hate so and so a character or whatever. It's about the story the writers have been telling and they've really shot themselves in the foot to have Damon say lines like that to Elena and only Elena if he was just going to move on to some other random girl. It makes the relationship of any other girl he gets with seem like a joke because unless this show is getting renewed for another plus five seasons, no other girl will have the relationship development that Damon and Elena got together.
The writing for me has already gone downhill two seasons ago. It seemed like the only storyline that the writers actually paid close attention to and wrote consistently and properly was the slow build of Damon and Elena's love for each other, then they started to not care about their characters and kept retconning Damon and Elena for shock value moments and pairing baiting so it just became all about seeing Delena get their happy ending as endgame. But now the show's taken that from me and I don't see how a show that had a integral main character for six seasons now 'just disappear' and expect season 7 to even still make a lick of sense and not be OOC (having to explain away Elena who's all about her friends and family that she would die for them would suddenly just 'leave' them and the love of her life Damon) which is why I'm glad that with Nina's depature, that means Delena will be over as well (as far as physically on screen) so now I don't have to force myself through this show anymore.
I just wanted to say not the best example as each season of TVD = half a year. Which means Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years and then in 1 year (maybe less) of meeting Elena (properly the flash back doesnt count as it was like 5 seconds) he was out of a love and in love with her! Plus in between he seemed to get feelings for Rose (that might not be 100% love though so that part of point = silly) If say he gets with Bonnie. He's been in love with Elena for just 3 years. He's been through a lot with her BUT also with Bonnie, Hell he died (kinda sorta) with Bonnie! He was stuck with NO other human than her. It's not insulting to think he could love another. I mean this is a show where Stefan loved Elena and could never love another ..... then he moved on. Caroline loved Tyler ..... then she moved on, Jeremy loved Anna ......then moved on. It happens just like in RL people can love many times. The only reason Damon loved Katherine for so long was for a long time he turned off his emotions thus had no one to fall for. I agree if she leaves end of 6 and first episode of 7 he's with another then that's dumb. But if it builds if they do it right I have no issue with it. It's like Dawson's creek. Joey was in love with Dawson for years. They slowly built up Pacey and it worked! Buffy had Angel as love of her life then slowly she grew to have Spike! Lets not also forget Damon is kinda flaky. (it's why he's awesome IMO) He can promise stefan a lifetime of suffering and then in flashbacks say "did you ever think i just needed my brother!" plus Damon loved katherine for so long as he though he could go save her and be the hero. He is learning more so I could see him been in love. However I can respect your opinion as it's more from story point of view than "i want my ship!" so even I disagree i can respect it. Also ..... WTF happened? I am now the person most positive about the show? me who's reviews/opinions on last season and this = cynical (though last episode i did was soooooo good) ------ Side note as I see it was updated after I replied Delena won 3 awards on that list that fans can vote for which do they really count as big awards? I mean one of those was 2015 when i refuse to believe either "Sire bond" or "memory wipe" = great tv and in the 2015 same award show,Adam Sandler won best comedy actor. Adam Sandler! Best! ...... I dont want to live a world where Adam Sandler is considered best or Maleficent beats the lego movie as best family movie ...... |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 11, 2015 19:10:06 GMT -5
Well it's not really just us saying that, 'just to say that'. The narrative of the show, Damon's and Elena's lines have said as much. If Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years it shows how he's not someone who just loves for a moment, shrugs and moves on. Then Damon saying lines like, 'You are my life' to Elena. A line that is freaking powerful in terms of his love for her. If Damon next season goes, 'LOL she wasn't really.'
It's an insult to the audience's intelligence. Sorry I get really pet peeve-y when it comes to narrative and character development in a writing. These writers will be morons if they try to convince us that Damon was 'never really in love with Elena' or that he could move on so easily when it conflicts with multiple lines and quotes from the canon of their own show.
It's more than, 'Oh no she's not with the guy I want her to be!'. I'm not shipping them because I hate so and so a character or whatever. It's about the story the writers have been telling and they've really shot themselves in the foot to have Damon say lines like that to Elena and only Elena if he was just going to move on to some other random girl. It makes the relationship of any other girl he gets with seem like a joke because unless this show is getting renewed for another plus five seasons, no other girl will have the relationship development that Damon and Elena got together.
The writing for me has already gone downhill two seasons ago. It seemed like the only storyline that the writers actually paid close attention to and wrote consistently and properly was the slow build of Damon and Elena's love for each other, then they started to not care about their characters and kept retconning Damon and Elena for shock value moments and pairing baiting so it just became all about seeing Delena get their happy ending as endgame. But now the show's taken that from me and I don't see how a show that had a integral main character for six seasons now 'just disappear' and expect season 7 to even still make a lick of sense and not be OOC (having to explain away Elena who's all about her friends and family that she would die for them would suddenly just 'leave' them and the love of her life Damon) which is why I'm glad that with Nina's depature, that means Delena will be over as well (as far as physically on screen) so now I don't have to force myself through this show anymore.
I just wanted to say not the best example as each season of TVD = half a year. Which means Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years and then in 1 year (maybe less) of meeting Elena (properly the flash back doesnt count as it was like 5 seconds) he was out of a love and in love with her! Plus in between he seemed to get feelings for Rose (that might not be 100% love though so that part of point = silly) If say he gets with Bonnie. He's been in love with Elena for just 3 years. He's been through a lot with her BUT also with Bonnie, Hell he died (kinda sorta) with Bonnie! He was stuck with NO other human than her. It's not insulting to think he could love another. I mean this is a show where Stefan loved Elena and could never love another ..... then he moved on. Caroline loved Tyler ..... then she moved on, Jeremy loved Anna ......then moved on. It happens just like in RL people can love many times. The only reason Damon loved Katherine for so long was for a long time he turned off his emotions thus had no one to fall for. I agree if she leaves end of 6 and first episode of 7 he's with another then that's dumb. But if it builds if they do it right I have no issue with it. It's like Dawson's creek. Joey was in love with Dawson for years. They slowly built up Pacey and it worked! Buffy had Angel as love of her life then slowly she grew to have Spike! Lets not also forget Damon is kinda flaky. (it's why he's awesome IMO) He can promise stefan a lifetime of suffering and then in flashbacks say "did you ever think i just needed my brother!" plus Damon loved katherine for so long as he though he could go save her and be the hero. He is learning more so I could see him been in love. However I can respect your opinion as it's more from story point of view than "i want my ship!" so even I disagree i can respect it. Also ..... WTF happened? I am now the person most positive about the show? me who's reviews/opinions on last season and this = cynical (though last episode i did was soooooo good) ------ Side note as I see it was updated after I replied Delena won 3 awards on that list that fans can vote for which do they really count as big awards? I mean one of those was 2015 when i refuse to believe either "Sire bond" or "memory wipe" = great tv and in the 2015 same award show,Adam Sandler won best comedy actor. Adam Sandler! Best! ...... I dont want to live a world where Adam Sandler is considered best or Maleficent beats the lego movie as best family movie ...... I don't understand your point about the awards. Delena won them. Stelena didn't. Whether you think they were justified or not is a moot point. I'm sure every Stelena fan would agree with you. But you claimed Stelena won 'fan' awards and I pointed out that they didn't. Not much else can be said about it but that they weren't fan favorites enough to win awards and they weren't on the scale that Delena was ever, not in polls and not in awards and that is just a fact. Delena has been THE big couple of TVD and to break them up and go with some random pairing like B*mon would kill the show in my opinion, just kill it entirely. So I guess I hope if Elena dies or whatever that they stay away from any real future romance/love with Damon to do the loyal DE fans at least that much for sticking around through all the angst and chaos and to do his character the service of not making him a big fat liar about his love for Elena being eternal and promising her eternity. Damon is not a flake, as you claim. Have you never told your brother you'd kill him but you really don't intend to ever kill him, of course. You're just really pissed off at the time...siblings...meh! When it comes to Stefan I don't think Damon can ever stay really angry at him forever because he loves him, pure and simple, but the promises Damon makes he keeps. It is rare that he doesn't and really only hasn't under circumstances in which he really couldn't. Enzo, for example, and for that he felt so bad he turned off his humanity. I think he could do it again over Elena and then we'd have badass Damon again which wouldn't be too painful to watch.  |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 11, 2015 19:24:12 GMT -5
I just wanted to say not the best example as each season of TVD = half a year. Which means Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years and then in 1 year (maybe less) of meeting Elena (properly the flash back doesnt count as it was like 5 seconds) he was out of a love and in love with her! Plus in between he seemed to get feelings for Rose (that might not be 100% love though so that part of point = silly) If say he gets with Bonnie. He's been in love with Elena for just 3 years. He's been through a lot with her BUT also with Bonnie, Hell he died (kinda sorta) with Bonnie! He was stuck with NO other human than her. It's not insulting to think he could love another. I mean this is a show where Stefan loved Elena and could never love another ..... then he moved on. Caroline loved Tyler ..... then she moved on, Jeremy loved Anna ......then moved on. It happens just like in RL people can love many times. The only reason Damon loved Katherine for so long was for a long time he turned off his emotions thus had no one to fall for. I agree if she leaves end of 6 and first episode of 7 he's with another then that's dumb. But if it builds if they do it right I have no issue with it. It's like Dawson's creek. Joey was in love with Dawson for years. They slowly built up Pacey and it worked! Buffy had Angel as love of her life then slowly she grew to have Spike! Lets not also forget Damon is kinda flaky. (it's why he's awesome IMO) He can promise stefan a lifetime of suffering and then in flashbacks say "did you ever think i just needed my brother!" plus Damon loved katherine for so long as he though he could go save her and be the hero. He is learning more so I could see him been in love. However I can respect your opinion as it's more from story point of view than "i want my ship!" so even I disagree i can respect it. Also ..... WTF happened? I am now the person most positive about the show? me who's reviews/opinions on last season and this = cynical (though last episode i did was soooooo good) ------ Side note as I see it was updated after I replied Delena won 3 awards on that list that fans can vote for which do they really count as big awards? I mean one of those was 2015 when i refuse to believe either "Sire bond" or "memory wipe" = great tv and in the 2015 same award show,Adam Sandler won best comedy actor. Adam Sandler! Best! ...... I dont want to live a world where Adam Sandler is considered best or Maleficent beats the lego movie as best family movie ...... I don't understand your point about the awards. Delena won them. Stelena didn't. Whether you think they were justified or not is a moot point. I'm sure every Stelena fan would agree with you. But you claimed Stelena won 'fan' awards and I pointed out that they didn't. Not much else can be said about it but that they weren't fan favorites enough to win awards and they weren't on the scale that Delena was ever, not in polls and not in awards and that is just a fact. Delena has been THE big couple of TVD and to break them up and go with some random pairing like B*mon would kill the show in my opinion, just kill it entirely. So I guess I hope if Elena dies or whatever that they stay away from any real future romance/love with Damon at least to do the loyal DE fans at least that much for sticking around through all the angst and chaos and to do his character the service of not making him a big fat liar about his love for Elena being eternal and promising her eternity. No I claimed they won awards as I had seen sites and shows over here (uk) give them awards. but my point wasnt justified my point was the same ones say Maleficent beats the lego movie and that's just not true look at the scores on rotten tomatoes. It's a fact the lego movie is better. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 11, 2015 19:31:31 GMT -5
I don't understand your point about the awards. Delena won them. Stelena didn't. Whether you think they were justified or not is a moot point. I'm sure every Stelena fan would agree with you. But you claimed Stelena won 'fan' awards and I pointed out that they didn't. Not much else can be said about it but that they weren't fan favorites enough to win awards and they weren't on the scale that Delena was ever, not in polls and not in awards and that is just a fact. Delena has been THE big couple of TVD and to break them up and go with some random pairing like B*mon would kill the show in my opinion, just kill it entirely. So I guess I hope if Elena dies or whatever that they stay away from any real future romance/love with Damon at least to do the loyal DE fans at least that much for sticking around through all the angst and chaos and to do his character the service of not making him a big fat liar about his love for Elena being eternal and promising her eternity. No I claimed they won awards as I had seen sites and shows over here (uk) give them awards. but my point wasnt justified my point was the same ones say Maleficent beats the lego movie and that's just not true look at the scores on rotten tomatoes. It's a fact the lego movie is better. Really you're going to keep arguing this? There is no proof they won any awards unless you have some. I linked you to wiki where they listed them by year. What do you have? And does it matter if you think one movie was better? What does that have to do with Delena vs Stelena? You claimed Stelena won awards and I showed you a link that said they didn't. Maybe they did, somewhere, but those are the major awards I sent the link for. I'd like proof to back that claim up rather than you just saying it as if it's a fact without proof. I gave you mine. You give me yours or just stop claiming it. Or is this like A Christmas Story and their major award is a leg lamp of some kind? 
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 11, 2015 19:35:50 GMT -5
And I hope you get the humor in that post...I'm keeping it light hearted cause what does it matter really? We are where we are with the show and my beloved ship will be pretty much gone soon enough...some people will rejoice...others will weep...
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 11, 2015 19:40:07 GMT -5
Stelenas be like, "We're going down and we're taking Delena with us," because both ships are killed in one blow with this pretty much. I wonder if the show will manage to survive and I think it will take a 'Hail Mary' to do it and the only one I can think of is leaving Delena open for end game and Damon not himself in the meantime so that DEs will not be so disgusted that they quit for good after 6x22 and I think that's how this will go after thinking it through.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 7:48:26 GMT -5
Well it's not really just us saying that, 'just to say that'. The narrative of the show, Damon's and Elena's lines have said as much. If Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years it shows how he's not someone who just loves for a moment, shrugs and moves on. Then Damon saying lines like, 'You are my life' to Elena. A line that is freaking powerful in terms of his love for her. If Damon next season goes, 'LOL she wasn't really.'
It's an insult to the audience's intelligence. Sorry I get really pet peeve-y when it comes to narrative and character development in a writing. These writers will be morons if they try to convince us that Damon was 'never really in love with Elena' or that he could move on so easily when it conflicts with multiple lines and quotes from the canon of their own show.
It's more than, 'Oh no she's not with the guy I want her to be!'. I'm not shipping them because I hate so and so a character or whatever. It's about the story the writers have been telling and they've really shot themselves in the foot to have Damon say lines like that to Elena and only Elena if he was just going to move on to some other random girl. It makes the relationship of any other girl he gets with seem like a joke because unless this show is getting renewed for another plus five seasons, no other girl will have the relationship development that Damon and Elena got together.
The writing for me has already gone downhill two seasons ago. It seemed like the only storyline that the writers actually paid close attention to and wrote consistently and properly was the slow build of Damon and Elena's love for each other, then they started to not care about their characters and kept retconning Damon and Elena for shock value moments and pairing baiting so it just became all about seeing Delena get their happy ending as endgame. But now the show's taken that from me and I don't see how a show that had a integral main character for six seasons now 'just disappear' and expect season 7 to even still make a lick of sense and not be OOC (having to explain away Elena who's all about her friends and family that she would die for them would suddenly just 'leave' them and the love of her life Damon) which is why I'm glad that with Nina's depature, that means Delena will be over as well (as far as physically on screen) so now I don't have to force myself through this show anymore.
Plus in between he seemed to get feelings for Rose (that might not be 100% love though so that part of point = silly) If say he gets with Bonnie. He's been in love with Elena for just 3 years. He's been through a lot with her BUT also with Bonnie, Hell he died (kinda sorta) with Bonnie! He was stuck with NO other human than her. It's not insulting to think he could love another. I mean this is a show where Stefan loved Elena and could never love another ..... then he moved on. Caroline loved Tyler ..... then she moved on, Jeremy loved Anna ......then moved on. It happens just like in RL people can love many times. The only reason Damon loved Katherine for so long was for a long time he turned off his emotions thus had no one to fall for. I agree if she leaves end of 6 and first episode of 7 he's with another then that's dumb. But if it builds if they do it right I have no issue with it. It's like Dawson's creek. Joey was in love with Dawson for years. They slowly built up Pacey and it worked! Buffy had Angel as love of her life then slowly she grew to have Spike! Lets not also forget Damon is kinda flaky. (it's why he's awesome IMO) He can promise stefan a lifetime of suffering and then in flashbacks say "did you ever think i just needed my brother!" plus Damon loved katherine for so long as he though he could go save her and be the hero. He is learning more so I could see him been in love. However I can respect your opinion as it's more from story point of view than "i want my ship!" so even I disagree i can respect it. Also ..... WTF happened? I am now the person most positive about the show? me who's reviews/opinions on last season and this = cynical (though last episode i did was soooooo good) ------ Side note as I see it was updated after I replied Delena won 3 awards on that list that fans can vote for which do they really count as big awards? I mean one of those was 2015 when i refuse to believe either "Sire bond" or "memory wipe" = great tv and in the 2015 same award show,Adam Sandler won best comedy actor. Adam Sandler! Best! ...... I dont want to live a world where Adam Sandler is considered best or Maleficent beats the lego movie as best family movie ...... I don't get what you're trying to argue with this part? What do you mean not the best example? Damon was in love with Katherine for 145 years. That's it. That's the point lol. It doesn't matter that in year 146 or whatever of loving Kat he fell for Elena, he still believed in Katherine's love for him for all those lengthy years. You're kind of taking the 145 thing lightly, he didn't love Kat for like one year and then went, 'Oh hey Elena!'. And Damon didn't just 'fall' for Elena so quickly. It took three seasons for Delena to get a mutual kiss and then four seasons for them to have sex. That's not a couple that quickly fell and love and went through all the motions in the span of a season.
Damon loves Elena more than he ever did Katherine. So why would he love Kat for 145 years but Elena the girl he says is his life and that he can't live without her, he'll love for like two/three years and then move on with someone else? It's dumb writing.
I get that you're really not that invested in the romance part of this series as some of us are and you believe that any romance can just happen and you'd be okay with it. As you mentioned I'm not one of those fans who ship something for petty reasons like, 'They look hot together!' or 'I hate this girl so I ship him with this one!' So Damon and Bonnie spending like four months together that was 'offscreen' aside from the two or three episodes that we got to see of them sitting around and doing the same routine over and over again does not equal Damon and Elena's on screen relationship that we as the audience got to watch and see development from hatred, to reluctant trust, to friendship, love etc. we got to see all of those stages with Delena, on our screens.
Rarely do I ever actively get behind 'ships' on the shows/animes I watch. I like romances that are a bit complicated and layered, more than just some cliché or trope (which anime is all about so you can usually guess which male and female is going to get together before the end of the show). Some couples just get thrown together with no realistic development, it's even worst when it's the 'main pairing' of the show. And I certainly wouldn't ship a girl with a guy who was so deeply in love with another girl on the show before, had all of the romantic development with her, all of the meaningful character growth scenes etc. It's like why would I be shipping a pairing that has so little development in comparison to another? (If I ship at all).
Delena's narrative was so deeply interwoven in the story of TVD (yes everyone, even guest stars for like two or three episodes showed up and gave their two cents on Delena's relationship). The romance in this show certainly wasn't some 'little thing' on the side. So again I get that you're not really that invested in the romance so you don't see it like a fan who has studied the nuances of the character growth of these characters through their relationships. TVD has always had a subtle approach to things. They say one thing and show us a completely other thing. (i.e. Stefan in season 1 in voice over saying how Damon is a monster and the scene they choose to show is Damon gently brushing a finger over Elena's face). TVD is full of stuff like that, "I hate him Stefan!" to "I can't stop loving him!". It's one of the many things that kept me interested in the romance of Delena, all the foreshadowing that constantly surrounded it.
Also this isn't about me convincing you to like Delena, it's about the narrative and writing and why it wouldn't make sense for Damon to just move on so quickly. You don't even have to be a 'Delena' fan to see that Damon moving on so quickly from Elena would just be horrible writing in the context of the show (I've seen posts from people on tumblr who outright hate Elena or Damon and still know that it wouldn't make any sense for Delena's relationship to be pushed aside and have Damon shoved into some other pairing) and what they've made these characters say to each other (for someone who doesn't actively follow the romance on the show it's hard to remember some of these quotes in comparison to us fans who fangirl over these lines lol).
So yes nothing's set in stone, the writers could easily make Damon move on to Bonnie if they wanted. Of course if that time ever comes I'm guessing the writers just went 'screw it' in regards to ruining Damon's character so they don't care how he comes off looking like an outright liar who just says empty words and changes his tune to fit whatever scenario he needs to win over a girl. I'm hoping the writers have more common sense than that because this sounds really bad.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 12, 2015 8:13:49 GMT -5
I just wanted to say not the best example as each season of TVD = half a year. Which means Damon stayed in love with the same woman for 145 years and then in 1 year (maybe less) of meeting Elena (properly the flash back doesnt count as it was like 5 seconds) he was out of a love and in love with her! Plus in between he seemed to get feelings for Rose (that might not be 100% love though so that part of point = silly) If say he gets with Bonnie. He's been in love with Elena for just 3 years. He's been through a lot with her BUT also with Bonnie, Hell he died (kinda sorta) with Bonnie! He was stuck with NO other human than her. It's not insulting to think he could love another. I mean this is a show where Stefan loved Elena and could never love another ..... then he moved on. Caroline loved Tyler ..... then she moved on, Jeremy loved Anna ......then moved on. It happens just like in RL people can love many times. The only reason Damon loved Katherine for so long was for a long time he turned off his emotions thus had no one to fall for. I agree if she leaves end of 6 and first episode of 7 he's with another then that's dumb. But if it builds if they do it right I have no issue with it. It's like Dawson's creek. Joey was in love with Dawson for years. They slowly built up Pacey and it worked! Buffy had Angel as love of her life then slowly she grew to have Spike! Lets not also forget Damon is kinda flaky. (it's why he's awesome IMO) He can promise stefan a lifetime of suffering and then in flashbacks say "did you ever think i just needed my brother!" plus Damon loved katherine for so long as he though he could go save her and be the hero. He is learning more so I could see him been in love. However I can respect your opinion as it's more from story point of view than "i want my ship!" so even I disagree i can respect it. Also ..... WTF happened? I am now the person most positive about the show? me who's reviews/opinions on last season and this = cynical (though last episode i did was soooooo good) ------ Side note as I see it was updated after I replied Delena won 3 awards on that list that fans can vote for which do they really count as big awards? I mean one of those was 2015 when i refuse to believe either "Sire bond" or "memory wipe" = great tv and in the 2015 same award show,Adam Sandler won best comedy actor. Adam Sandler! Best! ...... I dont want to live a world where Adam Sandler is considered best or Maleficent beats the lego movie as best family movie ...... I don't get what you're trying to argue with this part? What do you mean not the best example? Damon was in love with Katherine for 145 years. That's it. That's the point lol. It doesn't matter that in year 146 or whatever of loving Kat he fell for Elena, he still believed in Katherine's love for him for all those lengthy years. You're kind of taking the 145 thing lightly, he didn't love Kat for like one year and then went, 'Oh hey Elena!'. And Damon didn't just 'fall' for Elena so quickly. It took three seasons for Delena to get a mutual kiss and then four seasons for them to have sex. That's not a couple that quickly fell and love and went through all the motions in the span of a season.
Damon loves Elena more than he ever did Katherine. So why would he love Kat for 145 years but Elena the girl he says is his life and that he can't live without her, he'll love for like two/three years and then move on with someone else? It's dumb writing.
I get that you're really not that invested in the romance part of this series as some of us are and you believe that any romance can just happen and you'd be okay with it. As you mentioned I'm not one of those fans who ship something for petty reasons like, 'They look hot together!' or 'I hate this girl so I ship him with this one!' So Damon and Bonnie spending like four months together that was 'offscreen' aside from the two or three episodes that we got to see of them sitting around and doing the same routine over and over again does not equal Damon and Elena's on screen relationship that we as the audience got to watch and see development from hatred, to reluctant trust, to friendship, love etc. we got to see all of those stages with Delena, on our screens.
Rarely do I ever actively get behind 'ships' on the shows/animes I watch. I like romances that are a bit complicated and layered, more than just some cliché or trope (which anime is all about so you can usually guess which male and female is going to get together before the end of the show). Some couples just get thrown together with no realistic development, it's even worst when it's the 'main pairing' of the show. And I certainly wouldn't ship a girl with a guy who was so deeply in love with another girl on the show before, had all of the romantic development with her, all of the meaningful character growth scenes etc. It's like why would I be shipping a pairing that has so little development in comparison to another? (If I ship at all).
Delena's narrative was so deeply interwoven in the story of TVD (yes everyone, even guest stars for like two or three episodes showed up and gave their two cents on Delena's relationship). The romance in this show certainly wasn't some 'little thing' on the side. So again I get that you're not really that invested in the romance so you don't see it like a fan who has studied the nuances of the character growth of these characters through their relationships. TVD has always had a subtle approach to things. They say one thing and show us a completely other thing. (i.e. Stefan in season 1 in voice over saying how Damon is a monster and the scene they choose to show is Damon gently brushing a finger over Elena's face). TVD is full of stuff like that, "I hate him Stefan!" to "I can't stop loving him!". It's one of the many things that kept me interested in the romance of Delena, all the foreshadowing that constantly surrounded it.
Also this isn't about me convincing you to like Delena, it's about the narrative and writing and why it wouldn't make sense for Damon to just move on so quickly. You don't even have to be a 'Delena' fan to see that Damon moving on so quickly from Elena would just be horrible writing in the context of the show (I've seen posts from people on tumblr who outright hate Elena or Damon and still know that it wouldn't make any sense for Delena's relationship to be pushed aside and have Damon shoved into some other pairing) and what they've made these characters say to each other (for someone who doesn't actively follow the romance on the show it's hard to remember some of these quotes in comparison to us fans who fangirl over these lines lol).
So yes nothing's set in stone, the writers could easily make Damon move on to Bonnie if they wanted. Of course if that time ever comes I'm guessing the writers just went 'screw it' in regards to ruining Damon's character so they don't care how he comes off looking like an outright liar who just says empty words and changes his tune to fit whatever scenario he needs to win over a girl. I'm hoping the writers have more common sense than that because this sounds really bad.
I agree with all of this and you're right if someone hasn't been following all the nuances of the Delena romance they might not think it's a big deal but for us, the fans who have analyzed every little move the writers made that brought Delena together and how intricate and detailed their journey has been it would be such a tragedy to ruin it all now and render the show meaningless to me. I could handle them being apart with the possibility of reuniting at end game. I could not handle Damon moving on from Elena emotionally. It would make everything he said before to her a lie. This show is known for it's tricks though to make things happen that wouldn't otherwise and I feel like they are going to shut off his emotions and let him go nuts for a season and I could live with that if, again, there is still the possibility at the end of it there is still Delena. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 12, 2015 11:54:02 GMT -5
my point was just he fell out of love and in to love with elena really fast but everyones ok with that,
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Post by Sweetluv4DE on Apr 12, 2015 14:11:12 GMT -5
Side Note.......
Victoria Justice comes to Mystic Falls and Elena body snatches her because the cure does kill Nina Dobrev's (body) and so Elena needs to jump ship and since EVERYONE says Victoria Justice is her doppelganger we can have Elena jump into her body. She can be a car crash victim and Elena jumps into her to save her and chooses to become a vampire to survive. LOL
This way we get a Victoria Justice Elena season 7 and DE doesn't have to die.
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Like said I don't like Stelena but I know others do and I just feel objectively the fans of that one got treated badly for the same exact thing Delena fans are doing now. I have seen posts on twitter and boards where delena fans are literally bullying and offering death threats to Bamon fans which is never cool 
I also find no awards for Stelena unless I'm missing something: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_The_Vampire_Diaries
