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Post by missmystic on Apr 14, 2015 12:52:48 GMT -5
Yeah Emily may not have known she wasn't in the tomb. Wasn't there some werewolf dude that ultimately helped Katherine escape from the church? Dang man this is some old stuff to try to remember...but anyway, still not sure when exactly Damon found out Katherine didn't die in the church fire cause he didn't want to turn thinking she was dead and he said it a couple times to Stefan. I think Emily told Damon Katherine was alive after he turned, like the next day or something. I remember something about her not wanting to tell him beforehand because she was hoping he would choose to die and not become a vampire, which he almost did. But after Stefan made him turn, Emily told him right after that. And Damon didn't tell Stefan because he was pissed at him. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I am picturing a scene like that pretty vividly in my mind anyways. I could have made it up I suppose lol. But I think that's what happened. So that scene might be in season 2 somewhere? I can check IMBD and see which episodes the girl who played Emily was in. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 14, 2015 13:04:59 GMT -5
So I didn't really want to go all out in this particular discussion (emotions seem to be riding high for obvious reasons), but I just wanted to comment on this a bit.
When you spend some time away from something you forget things. Season 1 and 2 of TVD was a long time ago. And everyone tends to pick and have different things that stick with them when they look back. So here's a cannon recap of Damon Salvatore's love life:
Katherine was his first love, and it ended in tragedy, which affected him pretty intensely. And people have made comments about him loving her even though she was dead for 145 years or whatever it was, but he actually KNEW Kat was alive. He spent 145 trying to find a way to rescue her. He thought she loved him as much as he loved her, and he thought she was in trouble and needed his help. And for a person who loves as fiercely as Damon, there was no question about his loyalty as far as he was concerned. The girl he loved needed him to come through for her, end of story. So he spent his entire life fighting for that goal. We don't even really know what sacrifices he had to make along the way, but we can assume that some sh*t went down for sure.
When he meets Elena, he doesn't go straight to loving her by any stretch. The first thing that happens is he finds himself respecting her, which he himself is surprised by. He's likely spent a lot of his life dealing with underhanded and dishonest people, he doesn't trust anyone. But here is Elena, this person who is undeniably good and kind and honest. And he admires her, he starts to trust her even, and she becomes maybe the first friend he's had in decades. He starts to care about her, about what happens to her, she becomes important to him.
But even during all of this, he is still loyally in love with Katherine. Until he finally learns that everything he ever believed to be true was a lie! Katherine is fine, living her life off somewhere else, she was never in trouble, she never needed his help, and she obviously didn't care about being with him or she would have been. Can you imagine spending 145 loyally loving someone only to find out they had lied to you and betrayed you? He is beyond devastated after that, broken, destroyed. And the only person who is genuinely there for him and concerned about his well being is Elena.
She spends time trying to help him through his grief and be his friend, something that is not common place in Damon's life. And he starts to see just how wrong he had been in loving Katherine, and how much of an amazing person Elena is. THAT is when he starts falling in love with her. And it wasn't all of a sudden. It took time, and trust, and it took him getting his heart ripped out and the sh*t kicked out of him to see Kat for who she really was. It's a lot easier to get over someone quickly when you have a reason to hate them.
And even after that, his love for Elena was in the juvenile stages for a while there. Because he still wasn't a whole person, he had a lot of growing up to do. But he does finally get to a place where he begins to understand what love really is, and that's when he is able to be selfless for the sake of her happiness and well being. That's when he starts to become the hero we know he is.
So this is me arguing that Damon didn't just fall in and out of love fast. All the circumstances of the situations matter. And they all fall in line with his character development. So what I am saying here is that the only realistic way a person like Damon could move on from Elena in a relatively short period of time would be if she betrays him in some unthinkable way and crushes his heart into a million pieces before she leaves. Then maybe he could hate her enough to move on sooner rather than later. But if she dies, or leaves due to compulsion or whatever, then there is just no way someone like Damon could just move on and be ok. She changed his life, she made him see his self worth. These are things no one else was ever able to do for him. He loves her, end of story. And he's not just going to forget that.
That's a nice way of looking at it. I disagree but I can respect it. In my eyes with season 1 + 2 been 1 year in TVD time. I think it speaks volumes about the fact he kisses Katherine at the end of season 1 thinking it's Elena. That's 6 months! I've seen wrestling storylines last longer than 6 months. 6 Months is nothing and to me 6 months is an awfully fast amount of time. Which is something I understand to move story on but Stefen fell in love with Elena in like 1 week and damon 6 month. That's more disney love "Oh its love at first sight" than actual love. Ironically been that they split up. But I thought Bonnie + Jeremy felt the most real of TVD couple. Not the best to watch by any stretch of the imagination but more real than the main ones. Like I've I loved Delena at the time I mentioned but in six months Damon went from "Theres no world without Katherine" to making out with his brothers Girlfriend .... that's ridicules! Now I'm not saying that taints their love as every love in tvd world works this way. BUT thats sort of a facotor. Every love in TVD is fast and overly love! I could see Damon moving on to Bonnie by the end of season 7 not the start but by the end. Just because they have a strong enough connection right now that it could easily turn to love I see how you think it is still fast, but isn't tv time supposed to move a bit faster than rl? I was actually engaged to my husband in 6 months (10 years later, still married!). I mean could you imagine if we watched the evolution of every tv couple - we'd probably get bored with the mundane in and outs of daily life. Timeline aside, I think what mystic said makes a lot of sense. He was heartbroken and they developed a relationship through all of that. Kat basically told him it was always going to be Stefan and it always had been and he realized she never wanted to find Damon and she never felt quite the same way as he did - that's way harsh man. Everyone else was like, well that sucks for Damon. Let's just wait for him to lash out like he always does and then leave him alone, he'll get over it. But Elena stood by his side and became his friend and wouldn't let him push her away. It was just a natural progression for them to get closer. And let's not forget, he kissed Elena (Kat) on the porch because he thought she was giving him feels back. That first (one-sided) kiss was an impulse and he was testing the waters to see if there was something else there - because in reality, Kat was messing with him. I doubt Elena would have stood there so confidently, waiting for a kiss. She would have darted her eyes away or went inside because she never wanted to lead him on. Then of course poor Damon gets drunk and tries to make his move again and Elena says "It's always gonna be Stefan". Kick a guy when he's down, lol. Anyways, even if the timeline was only 6 months, Kat pretty much kicked him in the balls and Elena was the only one that helped him through his grief. Not to mention they spent a lot of time together. I feel like that is a natural relationship progression. He was already intrigued by her because she looked like Kat, but the more they hung out, he realized she was a much much nicer person and a better person to love. He also didn't want to fall in love with "his brother's girl", he fought it when it started happening but then he was like "screw it" and he eventually let his feeling be known. In RL relationships, people usually say "I love you" around the 5 or 6 month mark, so first kiss? I'll take that. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 14, 2015 13:08:25 GMT -5
Yeah Emily may not have known she wasn't in the tomb. Wasn't there some werewolf dude that ultimately helped Katherine escape from the church? Dang man this is some old stuff to try to remember...but anyway, still not sure when exactly Damon found out Katherine didn't die in the church fire cause he didn't want to turn thinking she was dead and he said it a couple times to Stefan. I think Emily told Damon Katherine was alive after he turned, like the next day or something. I remember something about her not wanting to tell him beforehand because she was hoping he would choose to die and not become a vampire, which he almost did. But after Stefan made him turn, Emily told him right after that. And Damon didn't tell Stefan because he was pissed at him. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I am picturing a scene like that pretty vividly in my mind anyways. I could have made it up I suppose lol. But I think that's what happened. So that scene might be in season 2 somewhere? I can check IMBD and see which episodes the girl who played Emily was in. Yes - this all sounds familiar. I think he was a werewolf and that part of the story gets pieced together when he comes back to town at some point. I think he did find out the next day so yeah, he would have been waiting all that time for her. |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 14, 2015 13:13:44 GMT -5
That's a nice way of looking at it. I disagree but I can respect it. In my eyes with season 1 + 2 been 1 year in TVD time. I think it speaks volumes about the fact he kisses Katherine at the end of season 1 thinking it's Elena. That's 6 months! I've seen wrestling storylines last longer than 6 months. 6 Months is nothing and to me 6 months is an awfully fast amount of time. Which is something I understand to move story on but Stefen fell in love with Elena in like 1 week and damon 6 month. That's more disney love "Oh its love at first sight" than actual love. Ironically been that they split up. But I thought Bonnie + Jeremy felt the most real of TVD couple. Not the best to watch by any stretch of the imagination but more real than the main ones. Like I've I loved Delena at the time I mentioned but in six months Damon went from "Theres no world without Katherine" to making out with his brothers Girlfriend .... that's ridicules! Now I'm not saying that taints their love as every love in tvd world works this way. BUT thats sort of a facotor. Every love in TVD is fast and overly love! I could see Damon moving on to Bonnie by the end of season 7 not the start but by the end. Just because they have a strong enough connection right now that it could easily turn to love I see how you think it is still fast, but isn't tv time supposed to move a bit faster than rl? I was actually engaged to my husband in 6 months (10 years later, still married!). I mean could you imagine if we watched the evolution of every tv couple - we'd probably get bored with the mundane in and outs of daily life. Timeline aside, I think what mystic said makes a lot of sense. He was heartbroken and they developed a relationship through all of that. Kat basically told him it was always going to be Stefan and it always had been and he realized she never wanted to find Damon and she never felt quite the same way as he did - that's way harsh man. Everyone else was like, well that sucks for Damon. Let's just wait for him to lash out like he always does and then leave him alone, he'll get over it. But Elena stood by his side and became his friend and wouldn't let him push her away. It was just a natural progression for them to get closer. And let's not forget, he kissed Elena (Kat) on the porch because he thought she was giving him feels back. That first (one-sided) kiss was an impulse and he was testing the waters to see if there was something else there - because in reality, Kat was messing with him. I doubt Elena would have stood there so confidently, waiting for a kiss. She would have darted her eyes away or went inside because she never wanted to lead him on. Then of course poor Damon gets drunk and tries to make his move again and Elena says "It's always gonna be Stefan". Kick a guy when he's down, lol. Anyways, even if the timeline was only 6 months, Kat pretty much kicked him in the balls and Elena was the only one that helped him through his grief. Not to mention they spent a lot of time together. I feel like that is a natural relationship progression. He was already intrigued by her because she looked like Kat, but the more they hung out, he realized she was a much much nicer person and a better person to love. He also didn't want to fall in love with "his brother's girl", he fought it when it started happening but then he was like "screw it" and he eventually let his feeling be known. In RL relationships, people usually say "I love you" around the 5 or 6 month mark, so first kiss? I'll take that. Exactly! I was going to say that too. Six months isn't fast at all actually, even in the real world. As you said, you got engaged in that amount of time, and I've known other people with the same story. And pretty much most people THINK they are in love within the first couple of months anyways. It is always real? No of course not. There's a honeymoon period when you first start a relationship where your emotions are all heightened. But some people stick it out and it turns out to be real. And that's real life I'm talking about. And that's exactly what happened to Damon. So yeah, not fast at all. Especially under the circumstances. |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 14, 2015 13:24:43 GMT -5
I see how you think it is still fast, but isn't tv time supposed to move a bit faster than rl? I was actually engaged to my husband in 6 months (10 years later, still married!). I mean could you imagine if we watched the evolution of every tv couple - we'd probably get bored with the mundane in and outs of daily life. Timeline aside, I think what mystic said makes a lot of sense. He was heartbroken and they developed a relationship through all of that. Kat basically told him it was always going to be Stefan and it always had been and he realized she never wanted to find Damon and she never felt quite the same way as he did - that's way harsh man. Everyone else was like, well that sucks for Damon. Let's just wait for him to lash out like he always does and then leave him alone, he'll get over it. But Elena stood by his side and became his friend and wouldn't let him push her away. It was just a natural progression for them to get closer. And let's not forget, he kissed Elena (Kat) on the porch because he thought she was giving him feels back. That first (one-sided) kiss was an impulse and he was testing the waters to see if there was something else there - because in reality, Kat was messing with him. I doubt Elena would have stood there so confidently, waiting for a kiss. She would have darted her eyes away or went inside because she never wanted to lead him on. Then of course poor Damon gets drunk and tries to make his move again and Elena says "It's always gonna be Stefan". Kick a guy when he's down, lol. Anyways, even if the timeline was only 6 months, Kat pretty much kicked him in the balls and Elena was the only one that helped him through his grief. Not to mention they spent a lot of time together. I feel like that is a natural relationship progression. He was already intrigued by her because she looked like Kat, but the more they hung out, he realized she was a much much nicer person and a better person to love. He also didn't want to fall in love with "his brother's girl", he fought it when it started happening but then he was like "screw it" and he eventually let his feeling be known. In RL relationships, people usually say "I love you" around the 5 or 6 month mark, so first kiss? I'll take that. Exactly! I was going to say that too. Six months isn't fast at all actually, even in the real world. As you said, you got engaged in that amount of time, and I've known other people with the same story. And pretty much most people THINK they are in love within the first couple of months anyways. It is always real? No of course not. There's a honeymoon period when you first start a relationship where your emotions are all heightened. But some people stick it out and it turns out to be real. And that's real life I'm talking about. And that's exactly what happened to Damon. So yeah, not fast at all. Especially under the circumstances. Just for giggles: " According to new research men take on average 88 days for men to say, "I love you" for the very first time to their partners. As long as that may sound, the study found that women take even longer to profess their love in a relationship. Researchers found that on average women wait 134 days or four months and two weeks before they say the words to their partners.
The study confirms the widely held belief that men do in fact fall in love quicker than women." Read more: www.counselheal.com/articles/4262/20130307/relationship-survey-reveals-long-takes-men-love-y.htm#ixzz3XJF12yw1 |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2015 13:26:16 GMT -5
That's a nice way of looking at it. I disagree but I can respect it. In my eyes with season 1 + 2 been 1 year in TVD time. I think it speaks volumes about the fact he kisses Katherine at the end of season 1 thinking it's Elena. That's 6 months! I've seen wrestling storylines last longer than 6 months. 6 Months is nothing and to me 6 months is an awfully fast amount of time. Which is something I understand to move story on but Stefen fell in love with Elena in like 1 week and damon 6 month. That's more disney love "Oh its love at first sight" than actual love. Ironically been that they split up. But I thought Bonnie + Jeremy felt the most real of TVD couple. Not the best to watch by any stretch of the imagination but more real than the main ones. Like I've I loved Delena at the time I mentioned but in six months Damon went from "Theres no world without Katherine" to making out with his brothers Girlfriend .... that's ridicules! Now I'm not saying that taints their love as every love in tvd world works this way. BUT thats sort of a facotor. Every love in TVD is fast and overly love! I could see Damon moving on to Bonnie by the end of season 7 not the start but by the end. Just because they have a strong enough connection right now that it could easily turn to love I see how you think it is still fast, but isn't tv time supposed to move a bit faster than rl? I was actually engaged to my husband in 6 months (10 years later, still married!). I mean could you imagine if we watched the evolution of every tv couple - we'd probably get bored with the mundane in and outs of daily life. Timeline aside, I think what mystic said makes a lot of sense. He was heartbroken and they developed a relationship through all of that. Kat basically told him it was always going to be Stefan and it always had been and he realized she never wanted to find Damon and she never felt quite the same way as he did - that's way harsh man. Everyone else was like, well that sucks for Damon. Let's just wait for him to lash out like he always does and then leave him alone, he'll get over it. But Elena stood by his side and became his friend and wouldn't let him push her away. It was just a natural progression for them to get closer. And let's not forget, he kissed Elena (Kat) on the porch because he thought she was giving him feels back. That first (one-sided) kiss was an impulse and he was testing the waters to see if there was something else there - because in reality, Kat was messing with him. I doubt Elena would have stood there so confidently, waiting for a kiss. She would have darted her eyes away or went inside because she never wanted to lead him on. Then of course poor Damon gets drunk and tries to make his move again and Elena says "It's always gonna be Stefan". Kick a guy when he's down, lol. Anyways, even if the timeline was only 6 months, Kat pretty much kicked him in the balls and Elena was the only one that helped him through his grief. Not to mention they spent a lot of time together. I feel like that is a natural relationship progression. He was already intrigued by her because she looked like Kat, but the more they hung out, he realized she was a much much nicer person and a better person to love. He also didn't want to fall in love with "his brother's girl", he fought it when it started happening but then he was like "screw it" and he eventually let his feeling be known. In RL relationships, people usually say "I love you" around the 5 or 6 month mark, so first kiss? I'll take that. That is true I say 6 months as thats season 1 and least half of that he was still intrested in Katherine so it might be less. But I agree with the tv should move faster though it might be nitpicky and slightly off topic but that always bugged me on tvd lol the time. As I always was use to 1 season = 1 year give or take then like start of season 3 they are talking about we've know each other 1 year I was like "no you've know each other 2!" lol I had to google and wiki to get around that LOL it just bugs me as tvs moves faster than anyother show given 1 year = 1/2 a year lol But yes I could see maybe their love was not too fast for everyone but to me it just seemed fast but like i said I understand it completely it's why i'm ok with him moving on at end of season 7 as hes been in love like 3 1/2 years and IRL people can move on from that when they split up. I know theres people who will hate it but in the large whole I can see it. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2015 13:27:53 GMT -5
Just for giggles: " According to new research men take on average 88 days for men to say, "I love you" for the very first time to their partners. As long as that may sound, the study found that women take even longer to profess their love in a relationship. Researchers found that on average women wait 134 days or four months and two weeks before they say the words to their partners.
The study confirms the widely held belief that men do in fact fall in love quicker than women." Read more: www.counselheal.com/articles/4262/20130307/relationship-survey-reveals-long-takes-men-love-y.htm#ixzz3XJF12yw1That's because within 88 days we are trying to get in their pants  maybe I'm cynical |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 14, 2015 13:31:25 GMT -5
Just for giggles: " According to new research men take on average 88 days for men to say, "I love you" for the very first time to their partners. As long as that may sound, the study found that women take even longer to profess their love in a relationship. Researchers found that on average women wait 134 days or four months and two weeks before they say the words to their partners.
The study confirms the widely held belief that men do in fact fall in love quicker than women." Read more: www.counselheal.com/articles/4262/20130307/relationship-survey-reveals-long-takes-men-love-y.htm#ixzz3XJF12yw1That's because within 88 days we are trying to get in their pants maybe I'm cynical ROTFL....but Damon didn't get in her pants until S4 so, he's moving slow by male standards! |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2015 13:36:47 GMT -5
That's because within 88 days we are trying to get in their pants maybe I'm cynical ROTFL....but Damon didn't get in her pants until S4 so, he's moving slow by male standards! He had enough pants like Vikki that Elena's pant and quest to get in them became his Moby dick! XD |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Apr 14, 2015 13:59:49 GMT -5
ROTFL....but Damon didn't get in her pants until S4 so, he's moving slow by male standards! He had enough pants like Vikki that Elena's pant and quest to get in them became his Moby dick! XD Now see they never ever said that Damon slept with Vicky. I always thought he did but she was all hung up on Tyler so who knows. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2015 14:03:34 GMT -5
He had enough pants like Vikki that Elena's pant and quest to get in them became his Moby dick! XD Now see they never ever said that Damon slept with Vicky. I always thought he did but she was all hung up on Tyler so who knows. Oh i thought it was implied as he was dancing shirtless with her ect..... my bad if he didn't, I seemed to remember implied orgy but replace her with Caroline then to my joke work |
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Post by Somerhaldered on Apr 14, 2015 14:13:00 GMT -5
Now see they never ever said that Damon slept with Vicky. I always thought he did but she was all hung up on Tyler so who knows. Oh i thought it was implied as he was dancing shirtless with her ect..... my bad if he didn't, I seemed to remember implied orgy but replace her with Caroline then to my joke work LOL, yeah he for sure slept with Caroline and Andie - not sure if it was supposed to be implied with Vicki but she was dancing around in her undies. I don't think we ever actually saw them (if they did) - aaaand then he snapped her neck, lol. |
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2015 14:18:55 GMT -5
Oh i thought it was implied as he was dancing shirtless with her ect..... my bad if he didn't, I seemed to remember implied orgy but replace her with Caroline then to my joke work LOL, yeah he for sure slept with Caroline and Andie - not sure if it was supposed to be implied with Vicki but she was dancing around in her undies. I don't think we ever actually saw them (if they did) - aaaand then he snapped her neck, lol. Well that just proves my point! As I always snap the neck of women I sleep with. It's cheaper than giving them taxi fair |
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Post by missmystic on Apr 14, 2015 14:19:49 GMT -5
ROTFL....but Damon didn't get in her pants until S4 so, he's moving slow by male standards! He had enough pants like Vikki that Elena's pant and quest to get in them became his Moby dick! XD  This conversation has gotten OFF TOPIC LOL
THE POINT IS ... lol No but really, my point is anyways that obviously they have to deal the cards they were dealt, and Nina quit so ... they have to deal with it. Personally I would have preferred they had ended the show this season so that Damon and Elena could get a happy ending, because I like happy endings. I'm a hopeless romantic. But that isn't what they have chosen to do, so it will be hard to see if it can continue in a way that makes sense narratively and holds my interest.
Could Damon get over Elena eventually and move on with someone else? Possibly. But for me, Bonnie is not an option on that front. And I am not speaking from a DE bias. I would actually be ok if they decided to put Damon and Caroline together, for example. But for me personally, Damon and Bonnie make no sense at all. I do not see any chemistry at all between them, first of all. Like AT ALL. But most importantly, they have pretty much nothing in common. Elena was the only thing they had in common lol. Everything we as viewers love about Damon is everything that Bonnie hates about him. I find her to be way too judgmental and unforgiving. Even now, when they are supposed to be friends, she still attacks and hurts Damon when she's pissed at him. That's messed up. I just cannot picture them together at all, it doesn't fit. It would be totally out of character for both of them. It would make no sense. I just simply do not see it, end of story.
If they want to bring a new girl in for him, that's their call. I will always wish for the happy DE ending that I wanted from the beginning. But if she's really gone for good and never coming back and there's no story that can fix that, then I hope he can be happy again, and the only person on the show right now that I could ever see him being happy with is Caroline. She knows how to have fun, they would have a blast together. Bonnie would just beat him down and tell him what a terrible person he is. I'm not ok with that. So yeah, no Bonnie and Damon love story for me. Not now, not ever. And if they go that route, I likely will not watch. Because to me it is illogical.
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Post by chrizakathemole on Apr 14, 2015 14:25:39 GMT -5
NO not Damon and Caroline only because I can see the light at end of the tunnel. By I mean no more forced love triangle every week and with Caroline almost (at least where I'm up to) with Stefan it'd be Stefan/Caroline/Damon triangle (or square if the add in my Enzo) that Caroline would then just be written like Elena and the characters too good for that Though I can see people not seeing him with Bonnie but another. That could work too  |
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This conversation has gotten OFF TOPIC LOL 
i always avoid when its on hiatus here to avoid spoilers
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