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Post by Doppelgänger on Mar 11, 2017 8:53:08 GMT -5
The place to discuss Delena now that TVD is over and in the aftermath of the end of the show. One thing is clear. Delena is end game! For that I am grateful. And now here's a nice video summary of their journey from start to finish. I'm sure there will be many more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 21:11:46 GMT -5
Delena's journey as a couple will continue to be one of the greatest of all time. There is immense satisfaction seeing this love story in it's complete form. Even with what little we got of the finale, the scenes itself are still powerful.
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Post by ritz on Mar 11, 2017 21:21:47 GMT -5
Nina chose that song. 9:54 — One last funeral feels about right for this show. This is really beautiful. This song is called “Hold On,” by Chord Overstreet. He’s one of Nina’s best friends, and when Nina was giving Julie a ride home from work during finale filming, she played the song for her. The rest was history. I think the lyrics come back, I still need you are so beautiful and vulnerable and plain. They hit so close to home for me and sent me into a whole new level of spiral, which was really fun tonight because all of my friends got to watch me openly weep in public! Awesome and totally not embarrassing at all. carinamackenzie.com/index.php/2017/03/11/teach-them-how-to-say-goodbye-my-final-vampire-diaries-recap/#more-75 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 22:16:12 GMT -5
You know there's a chance that the DE proposal made it on Delena scene so there's some hope to see how that would have played out. I just hope we don't find anything else they cut since I doubt JP will tell us everything lol.
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Post by ritz on Mar 12, 2017 10:11:17 GMT -5
Just look at the YT views. Delena clips have the most views by far. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RyI6vxHNwQ&feature=youtu.beThe tiny clip of Delena as humans has almost a million views already! I wonder if JP realizes yet that she let KW screw up the finale? I bet Caroline Dries does. The Delena reunion and human endgame is the pay-off viewers tuned in to see, and that got the least screen time of anything. It took a backseat to the Donavans, and Steroline, and Caroline, Alaric, and the twins, and Bonnie, and Bonenzo, and Katherine, and Datherine, and Stefan, and also Defan. You think about it, and pretty much every Delena scene in the finale was about Stefan/Defan in one way or another. Not one scene was just about Delena. No glimpses if there happily ever after. Someone made the wrong call (ahem KW), and the network should not have let that happen. I'm more ticked about it now than I was when it first aired. They should have aired a longer finale if needed to give the shows main love story the closure it deserved along with everything else. Or maybe Ian refused to do romantic scenes with Nina, I don't know. But whatever happened it should have been fixed before that finale aired. Now I will forever be ticked about that finale. Just like Lost's finale, which made resulted in me throwing the show into the ash bin of history never to be watched again. I am thinking of doing the same with my TVD DVDs. The only scenes I wish to re-watch are the Delena ones anyway. KW made a decision to take the focus off Delena, and I will fire paver feel cheated after waiting 2 years. I will NEVER watch another show he has anything to do with. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 11:13:43 GMT -5
Just look at the YT views. Delena clips have the most views by far. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RyI6vxHNwQ&feature=youtu.beThe tiny clip of Delena as humans has almost a million views already! I wonder if JP realizes yet that she let KW screw up the finale? I bet Caroline Dries does. The Delena reunion and human endgame is the pay-off viewers tuned in to see, and that got the least screen time of anything. It took a backseat to the Donavans, and Steroline, and Caroline, Alaric, and the twins, and Bonnie, and Bonenzo, and Katherine, and Datherine, and Stefan, and also Defan. You think about it, and pretty much every Delena scene in the finale was about Stefan/Defan in one way or another. Not one scene was just about Delena. No glimpses if there happily ever after. Someone made the wrong call (ahem KW), and the network should not have let that happen. I'm more ticked about it now than I was when it first aired. They should have aired a longer finale if needed to give the shows main love story the closure it deserved along with everything else. Or maybe Ian refused to do romantic scenes with Nina, I don't know. But whatever happened it should have been fixed before that finale aired. Now I will forever be ticked about that finale. Just like Lost's finale, which made resulted in me throwing the show into the ash bin of history never to be watched again. I am thinking of doing the same with my TVD DVDs. The only scenes I wish to re-watch are the Delena ones anyway. KW made a decision to take the focus off Delena, and I will fire paver feel cheated after waiting 2 years. I will NEVER watch another show he has anything to do with. I'm still shocked that KW was the downfall when all this time we thought JP would be the one to screw us over lol. Though I think the person who's going to take the severity of what happened with DE in the finale is Ian. More people are blaming the Nian breakup vs the writing/JP. There's quite the number of claims of people being frustrated over Ian's acting in the ending DE scenes and other shippers even taking note, laughing saying how Ian looks like he wants to die or that the reunion was forced. If it's that obvious to this many people, then Ian couldn't put aside his awkwardness with Nina for a few seconds to do a single scene. I also saw someone mentioned that Nikki 'inserted' herself into the DE scene. I don't know what that means, maybe that after that handholding scene cut she walked up to Ian on set and took a selfie or something? Who knows. But this will explain why DE's reunion was so tame, a quick kiss and handholding and smiles afterwards and it was likely so easy to cut the DE proposal scene as it's not like any fight would be put up to keep it in stating how fans have been waiting for this or anything when Ian doesn't really care about Delena or its fans. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 12, 2017 11:51:01 GMT -5
I think the problem with KW being so heavily involved was that he was still stuck in Season 1. JP had a much better handle on how the show had evolved. The audience (except for some hold out shippers) had moved on from Stelena a long time ago. I think if not for JP, KW would have written an even worse finale (and final season) than the one we got.
Ian was OOC in his scenes with Nina, IMO. It seemed we were seeing Nikki's husband not Damon, and that is so completely unprofessional. An actor should be able to separate his personal life from his on screen character. JP and those in charge should have demanded it. They should have made him shoot the scenes until he got them right. This just reminds me how nice it is to be free of this show. The unprofessionalism of so many involved was a real drag on the show in the final seasons.
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Post by ritz on Mar 12, 2017 12:12:04 GMT -5
So, Kevin did write the cemetery voiceover.
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No wonder Elena gave Stefan more credit than he deserved. We all no that it was Damon who made Elena want to live again not Stefan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 12:20:38 GMT -5
I think the problem with KW being so heavily involved was that he was still stuck in Season 1. JP had a much better handle on how the show had evolved. The audience (except for some hold out shippers) had moved on from Stelena a long time ago. I think if not for JP, KW would have written an even worse finale (and final season) than the one we got. Ian was OOC in his scenes with Nina, IMO. It seemed we were seeing Nikki's husband not Damon, and that is so completely unprofessional. An actor should be able to separate his personal life from his on screen character. JP and those in charge should have demanded it. They should have made him shoot the scenes until he got them right. This just reminds me how nice it is to be free of this show. The unprofessionalism of so many involved was a real drag on the show in the final seasons. I also wish KW had kept his mouth shut about how he would have done SE had Nina not been gone for two seasons and there wasn't enough time to shift to SE in 44 min. He left the show of this own accord so he shouldn't have any say in how it ended period. All that served to do is give SEs that final 'Ha Ha' laugh at us, claiming DE is only a consolation prize or if Nina had never left DE would have been done. Every time JP is asked about ships she always gives the impression that a ship still has a chance like with Bamon so her stating that had Nina stuck around she would have made SE a thing again makes no difference because she did have the power to do that, while Nina was still there, in fact she had two opportunities. In season 5 with the Doppelganger curse and 6 when Elena's memories of Damon were erased. She could have made Damon move on from Elena, could have made Stefan regret being with Caroline and still longing for Elena. She's the head writer of the show, no one can say no to her, she could have done what she wanted. Yet she didn't. Instead, she chose to make DE's love for each other stronger, further show how SE's relationship wasn't true love and dug that grave even bigger by Stefan not giving a hoot for Elena with his humanity off, whereas Elena was the key to Damon's humanity. She wrote that. So it sucks that KW strolled back on and shoved all this Stefan/SE nonsense back in the scene since they'd both have to agree to something to get through vs when it was just JP. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
So, Kevin did write the cemetery voiceover. /photo/1 No wonder Elena gave Stefan more credit than he deserved. We all no that it was Damon who made Elena want to live again not Stefan. "That was all him wanting to reflect back on his favorite elements of the first season." Yet clearly still stuck in the past. And like you said, it was Damon who made Elena feel more alive again, that's always been DE's theme. Stefan made her feel like a broken toy, but of course KW wasn't around during that season. He conveniently left somewhere in season 3 when Elena chose Stefan in that finale. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 12:25:22 GMT -5
Dialogue in the scene aside, I do like the overall foreshadow and callback aspect of it. Especially bringing attention to the rain scene quote about how it's almost clear, and the fog in here, clearing up and showing Damon.
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Post by ritz on Mar 12, 2017 12:34:19 GMT -5
I think the problem with KW being so heavily involved was that he was still stuck in Season 1. JP had a much better handle on how the show had evolved. The audience (except for some hold out shippers) had moved on from Stelena a long time ago. I think if not for JP, KW would have written an even worse finale (and final season) than the one we got. Ian was OOC in his scenes with Nina, IMO. It seemed we were seeing Nikki's husband not Damon, and that is so completely unprofessional. An actor should be able to separate his personal life from his on screen character. JP and those in charge should have demanded it. They should have made him shoot the scenes until he got them right. This just reminds me how nice it is to be free of this show. The unprofessionalism of so many involved was a real drag on the show in the final seasons. He left the show of this own accord so he shouldn't have any say in how it ended period. All that served to do is give SEs that final 'Ha Ha' laugh at us, claiming DE is only a consolation prize or if Nina had never left DE would have been done. Every time JP is asked about ships she always gives the impression that a ship still has a chance like with Bamon so her stating that had Nina stuck around she would have made SE a thing again makes no difference because she did have the power to do that, while Nina was still there, in fact she had two opportunities. In season 5 with the Doppelganger curse and 6 when Elena's memories of Damon were erased. She could have made Damon move on from Elena, could have made Stefan regret being with Caroline and still longing for Elena. She's the head writer of the show, no one can say no to her, she could have done what she wanted. Yet she didn't. Instead, she chose to make DE's love for each other stronger, further show how SE's relationship wasn't true love and dug that grave even bigger by Stefan not giving a hoot for Elena with his humanity off, whereas Elena was the key to Damon's humanity. She wrote that. So it sucks that KW strolled back on and shoved all this Stefan/SE nonsense back in the scene since they'd both have to agree to something to get through vs when it was just JP. I don't believe that for a second. It was just a bone to SErs to make them feel like they were not strung along. Delena was solidified through Elena's dialogue (and that of Stefan and the other characters as well in a way that can't be undone). /photo/4 Kevin nuances his statements differently in this article. He throws in a MIGHT and IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE. www.tvinsider.com/136386/kevin-williamson-finale-of-the-vampire-diaries/This is show was written in a way that Delena had to be endgame as early as a Season 3, IMO. It was solidified in Season 5. There was no going back after that. I suppose they could have made Elena waffle after becoming human, but Stefan had moved in at that point, amd it would have been stupid because Elena was in love with Damon as a human in Season 3. That was established. I have to wonder if KW even watched the episodes of the show that aired after he left. It would have ruined Elena's character to have her jump back to Stefan. |
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Post by ritz on Mar 12, 2017 12:43:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 12:47:06 GMT -5
I also wish KW had kept his mouth shut about how he would have done SE had Nina not been gone for two seasons and there wasn't enough time to shift to SE in 44 min. He left the show of this own accord so he shouldn't have any say in how it ended period. All that served to do is give SEs that final 'Ha Ha' laugh at us, claiming DE is only a consolation prize or if Nina had never left DE would have been done. Every time JP is asked about ships she always gives the impression that a ship still has a chance like with Bamon so her stating that had Nina stuck around she would have made SE a thing again makes no difference because she did have the power to do that, while Nina was still there, in fact she had two opportunities. In season 5 with the Doppelganger curse and 6 when Elena's memories of Damon were erased. She could have made Damon move on from Elena, could have made Stefan regret being with Caroline and still longing for Elena. She's the head writer of the show, no one can say no to her, she could have done what she wanted. Yet she didn't. Instead, she chose to make DE's love for each other stronger, further show how SE's relationship wasn't true love and dug that grave even bigger by Stefan not giving a hoot for Elena with his humanity off, whereas Elena was the key to Damon's humanity. She wrote that. So it sucks that KW strolled back on and shoved all this Stefan/SE nonsense back in the scene since they'd both have to agree to something to get through vs when it was just JP. I don't believe that for a second. It was just a bone to SErs to make them feel like they were not strung along. Delena was solidified through Elena's dialogue (and that of Stefan and the other characters as well in a way that can't be undone. /photo/4 Kevin nuances his statements differently in this article. He throws in a MIGHT and IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE. www.tvinsider.com/136386/kevin-williamson-finale-of-the-vampire-diaries/This is show was written in a way that Delena had to be endgame as early as a Season 3, IMO. It was solidified in Season 5. There was no going back after that. I suppose they could have made Elena waffle after becoming human, but Stefan had moved in at that point, amd it would have been stupid because Elena was in love with Damon as a human in Season 3. That was established. I have to wonder if KW even watched the episodes of the show that aired after he left. It would have ruined Elena's character to have her jump back to Stefan. It does make you think, had he not left maybe he would have given that story to SE. He comes out so easily and says he's a SE fan, I don't think JP's ever done that at all in regards to the DE/SE triangle. We know she was a Stefan fangirl through the biased of the writing, but she still wrote more powerful DE scenes. The only time she ever mentioned the word ship was in regards to SC in season 2 that she started secretly shipping them. Otherwise I think we would have recalled JP ever saying she shipped one side of the triangle vs the other. I don't get why KW is such an SE fan but I'm glad he left because there's no way that things would not have been changed and he'd find a way for Stefan and Elena to get together again. Steroline may not have even been a thing, since we know it stems from Julie liking it from back in season 2. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:08:39 GMT -5
Real talk because Elena was in her scrubs in the graveyard scene, it would have been fitting to have Damon wearing this lol  |
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