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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2011 12:00:36 GMT -5
Possibly, if only to make it a roadblock for Delena which would annoy the heck out of me.  I don't think you would be alone I'm sure even you can admit though that Damon and Katherine is a bad combination...too much badassery. Not that it wouldn't be entertaining to watch but it would bring out the worst in Damon I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 12:02:39 GMT -5
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Post by thebabe20 on Dec 18, 2011 12:04:47 GMT -5
I'm don't think I'm missing any good things about Stefan actually. Who could miss any of the million great things about him that the writers constantly push in our faces. I know he's caring, sweet, selfless, and I can go on for days. I think that's precisely what the problems is. Stefan doesn't seem like an actual person sometimes, because the writers always make sure all his motives and intentions are pure and good, and when they're not they just brush over them. Everything he does is for some altruistic purposes, even when he's supposed to be a ripper. He doesn't seem to have any ill-motives and that's just not realistic, everyone does from time to time. I know this is fiction but you're supposed try and make the characters as believable and realistic as possible and thus that seems to be the issue I have with Stefan. Stefan is this almost saint like individual whom I seriously have a hard time relating to because even I don't always feel like doing the right thing all the time and there are times I don't, and I'm just a human, not a vampire who is predatory by nature. So it makes no sense to try and make him "so good" when they can make him relatable instead. @doppelganger What you said about this season is precisely how I feel. I think I'm over the saving Damon antics by now. His first sacrifice was touching, but the repetitive saving Damon is becoming a bit tiresome. And seems like yet another ploy to keep Stefan "good." The only thing they haven't given Stefan an excuse for yet is stealing those coffins (because that was just stupid), but I'm gonna hold my breath on that one, because I'm willing to bet when the show returns the writers will have found a perfect explanation as to why Stefan needed to steal those coffins. If not they'll probably completely take the focus off of it and make a bigger deal about him saving Damon's life for the umpteenth time. I think everyone would like Damon to return the sentiment... the whole we will let him go... I mean Elena saying was like jab in the stomach, but it calming Damon down was another HUGE jab. I really hope Damon of all people does not "let him go" I think Damon has done plenty to return the sentiments. I think the only reasons Stefan's sacrifices seem so big in comparison is because of the way they write them. They have to make some grandiose epic moment out of every moment Stefan does something good for Damon but Damon does plenty for Stefan that goes right under our radar and we'd never realize it unless we stop and think about it. Because it's not made into as much of a big deal with Damon. How many times has Damon risked his very life to get Stefan back.? He was nearly staked in the chest by Klaus just so he could afford Elena her moment with Stefan, so she could get him home. He's offered himself up to Klaus in Stefan's place. When Stefan went missing in the beginning Damon set up an operation save Stefan tracking down his brother at every turn. I will admit there have been moments where he lost hope, but it never took much to change his mind, and get him right back on operation save Stefan. When Elena was hell bent on using Lexi's torturing method to condition Stefan back into his old self. It was Damon who let his brother out, and decided to take a different approach to helping him get better. He did it without judging and without making Stefan feel like a bad person. He was trying to teach Stefan about moderation and not having to either be one extreme or another. I think Damon has done more than enough to return the same sentiments. And if Damon wasn't hot on Stefan's trail trying to save his life, Stefan wouldn't need to continue saving his in return. The only reason Stefan has had to keep saving Damon is because Damon refuses to give up and is always trying to find a way to get Stefan his freedom from Klaus, often times at his own peril. When it comes to the "we'll let him go speech" I will say I think Elena was completely justified in wanting to do so. She doesn't know why Stefan ruined their plan, for all she knows Stefan just betrayed them and ran off. But aside from that Elena has suffered a lot this season because of her relationship with Stefan (maybe all of it was not his fault) but none the less it was painful. So yeah I understand her wanting to let go after enduring all of that, and fighting until she had no more fight left. That's more than I can say for Stefan who repeatedly walks away from her time after time without even so much as a goodbye. He did it in the end of season 2 and again after the last episode. Not once did he think of his relationship with Elena when he decided to give himself over. (while that was for good reason) I would think a goodbye to the love of your life would have been appropriate. When it comes to Damon, I think his silence showed his conflict. I think it was obvious he wasn't thrilled with the idea of letting Stefan go but in that moment he was defeated, he had done everything he knew of and yet he still failed. I think Damon felt hopeless, and at that moment he needed someone to be strong for him and Elena did that. Do I actually believe Damon will/wants to let Stefan go? Absolutely not... I think when the show returns we'll see Damon just as conflicted as he was in that moment. But then again I doubt Stefan will be away that long anyway. I'm pretty sure he'll be back in MF when the show returns. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2011 12:06:16 GMT -5
Yeah that scene where he smashed Jeremy's head into the picnic table at Katherine's prompting comes to mind as a Damon/Katherine moment. Oh yes, I was entertained but that isn't exactly Damon's good side. Somehow he got away with that with Elena, too. Apparently Jeremy is not a snitch. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2011 12:12:22 GMT -5
I think everyone would like Damon to return the sentiment... the whole we will let him go... I mean Elena saying was like jab in the stomach, but it calming Damon down was another HUGE jab. I really hope Damon of all people does not "let him go" I think Damon has done plenty to return the sentiments. I think the only reasons Stefan's sacrifices seem so big in comparison is because of the way they write them. They have to make some grandiose epic moment out of every moment Stefan does something good for Damon but Damon does plenty for Stefan that goes right under our radar and we'd never realize it unless we stop and think about it. Because it's not made into as much of a big deal with Damon. How many times has Damon risked his very life to get Stefan back.? He was nearly staked in the chest by Klaus just so he could afford Elena her moment with Stefan, so she could get him home. He's offered himself up to Klaus in Stefan's place. When Stefan went missing in the beginning Damon set up an operation save Stefan tracking down his brother at every turn. I will admit there have been moments where he lost hope, but it never took much to change his mind, and get him right back on operation save Stefan. When Elena was hell bent on using Lexi's torturing method to condition Stefan back into his old self. It was Damon who let his brother out, and decided to take a different approach to helping him get better. He did it without judging and without making Stefan feel like a bad person. He was trying to teach Stefan about moderation and not having to either be one extreme or another. I think Damon has done more than enough to return the same sentiments. And if Damon wasn't hot on Stefan's trail trying to save his life, Stefan wouldn't need to continue saving his in return. The only reason Stefan has had to keep saving Damon is because Damon refuses to give up and is always trying to find a way to get Stefan his freedom from Klaus, often times at his own peril. When it comes to the "we'll let him go speech" I will say I think Elena was completely justified in wanting to do so. She doesn't know why Stefan ruined their plan, for all she knows Stefan just betrayed them and ran off. But aside from that Elena has suffered a lot this season because of her relationship with Stefan (maybe all of it was not his fault) but none the less it was painful. So yeah I understand her wanting to let go after enduring all of that, and fighting until she had no more fight left. That's more than I can say for Stefan who repeatedly walks away from her time after time without even so much as a goodbye. He did it in the end of season 2 and again after the last episode. Not once did he think of his relationship with Elena when he decided to give himself over. (while that was for good reason) I would think a goodbye to the love of your life would have been appropriate. When it comes to Damon, I think his silence showed his conflict. I think it was obvious he wasn't thrilled with the idea of letting Stefan go but in that moment he was defeated, he had done everything he knew of and yet he still failed. I think Damon felt hopeless, and at that moment he needed someone to be strong for him and Elena did that. Do I actually believe Damon will/wants to let Stefan go? Absolutely not... I think when the show returns we'll see Damon just as conflicted as he was in that moment. But then again I doubt Stefan will be away that long anyway. I'm pretty sure he'll be back in MF when the show returns. Very well put. Yes, Damon does save the day plenty himself and never seems to get any recognition for it. We complained nonstop about that in the DE forum at the old place because darn near every episode he was saving someone's butt and still being treated like garbage by everyone. I also agree, he hasn't given up on Stefan and even if Elena wants to give up, he'll keep trying on his own without her knowledge, most likely. I hear people saying he sucks as a brother but I honestly think he loves Stefan more than anything, probably more than Elena if it came down to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2011 12:28:18 GMT -5
I think everyone would like Damon to return the sentiment... the whole we will let him go... I mean Elena saying was like jab in the stomach, but it calming Damon down was another HUGE jab. I really hope Damon of all people does not "let him go" I think Damon has done plenty to return the sentiments. I think the only reasons Stefan's sacrifices seem so big in comparison is because of the way they write them. They have to make some grandiose epic moment out of every moment Stefan does something good for Damon but Damon does plenty for Stefan that goes right under our radar and we'd never realize it unless we stop and think about it. Because it's not made into as much of a big deal with Damon. How many times has Damon risked his very life to get Stefan back.? He was nearly staked in the chest by Klaus just so he could afford Elena her moment with Stefan, so she could get him home. He's offered himself up to Klaus in Stefan's place. When Stefan went missing in the beginning Damon set up an operation save Stefan tracking down his brother at every turn. I will admit there have been moments where he lost hope, but it never took much to change his mind, and get him right back on operation save Stefan. When Elena was hell bent on using Lexi's torturing method to condition Stefan back into his old self. It was Damon who let his brother out, and decided to take a different approach to helping him get better. He did it without judging and without making Stefan feel like a bad person. He was trying to teach Stefan about moderation and not having to either be one extreme or another. I think Damon has done more than enough to return the same sentiments. And if Damon wasn't hot on Stefan's trail trying to save his life, Stefan wouldn't need to continue saving his in return. The only reason Stefan has had to keep saving Damon is because Damon refuses to give up and is always trying to find a way to get Stefan his freedom from Klaus, often times at his own peril. When it comes to the "we'll let him go speech" I will say I think Elena was completely justified in wanting to do so. She doesn't know why Stefan ruined their plan, for all she knows Stefan just betrayed them and ran off. But aside from that Elena has suffered a lot this season because of her relationship with Stefan (maybe all of it was not his fault) but none the less it was painful. So yeah I understand her wanting to let go after enduring all of that, and fighting until she had no more fight left. That's more than I can say for Stefan who repeatedly walks away from her time after time without even so much as a goodbye. He did it in the end of season 2 and again after the last episode. Not once did he think of his relationship with Elena when he decided to give himself over. (while that was for good reason) I would think a goodbye to the love of your life would have been appropriate. When it comes to Damon, I think his silence showed his conflict. I think it was obvious he wasn't thrilled with the idea of letting Stefan go but in that moment he was defeated, he had done everything he knew of and yet he still failed. I think Damon felt hopeless, and at that moment he needed someone to be strong for him and Elena did that. Do I actually believe Damon will/wants to let Stefan go? Absolutely not... I think when the show returns we'll see Damon just as conflicted as he was in that moment. But then again I doubt Stefan will be away that long anyway. I'm pretty sure he'll be back in MF when the show returns. True Damon has been under the radar in the ways that he helps Stefan and does not always get credit for his actions... I actually really liked that Damon knew that bartender from the 20's ...showing that he checked up on Stefan in that time to make sure he was okay.... I just think Damon guards his feelings so much that sometimes you do not know his true intentions....Plus it is difficult to trust Damon's intentions because while he is trying to save Stefan from Klaus he hitting on Elena every chance he gets... the person he knows Stefan loves (in part kinda of taking advantage of the situation).... another scene that broke my Stefan loving heart was when Damon was teaching ELena how to kill a vampire and he pulls her close to him in a romantic way while explaining that this is how you kill my brother if he tries to kill you... I don't know... he does these good things, but it is always hard to tell why he is doing it. Stefan it is clear that it is for Damon... I mean it is a product of the triangle because if the situation was switched Stefan intentions maybe misinterpreted too. Like even when the tomb vamps take Stefan and they save him... he ruins the moment by having to say "if anyone is going to kill my brother it is going to be me" He does good things, but it is his own doing that they go under appreciated because of his attitude and his inability to show emotional weakness. I don't know I seem like a Damon hater and I am not... I like him and I feel for him, but I guess, I am obviously more of a Stefan fan. |
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Post by thebabe20 on Dec 18, 2011 12:46:18 GMT -5
I think Damon has done plenty to return the sentiments. I think the only reasons Stefan's sacrifices seem so big in comparison is because of the way they write them. They have to make some grandiose epic moment out of every moment Stefan does something good for Damon but Damon does plenty for Stefan that goes right under our radar and we'd never realize it unless we stop and think about it. Because it's not made into as much of a big deal with Damon. How many times has Damon risked his very life to get Stefan back.? He was nearly staked in the chest by Klaus just so he could afford Elena her moment with Stefan, so she could get him home. He's offered himself up to Klaus in Stefan's place. When Stefan went missing in the beginning Damon set up an operation save Stefan tracking down his brother at every turn. I will admit there have been moments where he lost hope, but it never took much to change his mind, and get him right back on operation save Stefan. When Elena was hell bent on using Lexi's torturing method to condition Stefan back into his old self. It was Damon who let his brother out, and decided to take a different approach to helping him get better. He did it without judging and without making Stefan feel like a bad person. He was trying to teach Stefan about moderation and not having to either be one extreme or another. I think Damon has done more than enough to return the same sentiments. And if Damon wasn't hot on Stefan's trail trying to save his life, Stefan wouldn't need to continue saving his in return. The only reason Stefan has had to keep saving Damon is because Damon refuses to give up and is always trying to find a way to get Stefan his freedom from Klaus, often times at his own peril. When it comes to the "we'll let him go speech" I will say I think Elena was completely justified in wanting to do so. She doesn't know why Stefan ruined their plan, for all she knows Stefan just betrayed them and ran off. But aside from that Elena has suffered a lot this season because of her relationship with Stefan (maybe all of it was not his fault) but none the less it was painful. So yeah I understand her wanting to let go after enduring all of that, and fighting until she had no more fight left. That's more than I can say for Stefan who repeatedly walks away from her time after time without even so much as a goodbye. He did it in the end of season 2 and again after the last episode. Not once did he think of his relationship with Elena when he decided to give himself over. (while that was for good reason) I would think a goodbye to the love of your life would have been appropriate. When it comes to Damon, I think his silence showed his conflict. I think it was obvious he wasn't thrilled with the idea of letting Stefan go but in that moment he was defeated, he had done everything he knew of and yet he still failed. I think Damon felt hopeless, and at that moment he needed someone to be strong for him and Elena did that. Do I actually believe Damon will/wants to let Stefan go? Absolutely not... I think when the show returns we'll see Damon just as conflicted as he was in that moment. But then again I doubt Stefan will be away that long anyway. I'm pretty sure he'll be back in MF when the show returns. True Damon has been under the radar in the ways that he helps Stefan and does not always get credit for his actions... I actually really liked that Damon new that bartender from the 20's ...showing that he checked up on Stefan in that time to make sure he was okay.... I just think Damon guards his feelings so much that sometimes you do not know his true intentions....Plus it is difficult to trust Damon's intentions because while he is trying to save Stefan from Klaus he hitting on Elena every chance he gets... the person he knows Stefan loves (in part kinda of taking advantage of the situation).... another scene that broke my Stefan loving heart was when Damon was teaching ELena how to kill a vampire and he pulls her close to him in a romantic way while explaining that this is how you kill my brother if he tries to kill you... I don't know... he does these good things, but it is always hard to tell why he is doing it. Stefan it is clear that it is for Damon... I mean it is a product of the triangle because if the situation was switched Stefan intentions maybe misinterpreted too. Like even when the tomb vamps take Stefan and they save him... he ruins the moment by having to say "if anyone is going to kill my brother it is going to be me" He does good things, but it is his own doing that they go under appreciated because of his attitude and his inability to show emotional weakness. I don't know I seem like a Damon hater and I am not... I like him and I feel for him, but I guess, I am obviously more of a Stefan fan. No I understand what you're saying and I agree that Damon guards his emotions. I guess a life time of hurt and disappointments will do that to anyone. I understand for some it might be hard to figure out Damon's intentions but for me his intentions are always crystal clear. About that training scene you mentioned, I don't think Damon was trying to show Elena how to kill specifically Stefan, just vampires in general. As much as Damon loves Stefan, I believe Damon loves Elena at least just as much so he'd want her to know how to protect herself against any vampire even if it's his own brother. And I think Damon understands that Elena loves Stefan almost as much as he does, and would refrain from actually killing Stefan at all cost, so maybe that's why he was comfortable sharing that kind of information with her. I don't think he would do it if it was anyone else, nor do I think Damon actually wants his brother dead. When it comes to him saying "If anyone's going to kill you, it's going to be me." I think it's safe to say that was in early season 1 when Damon still held a lot of anger toward Stefan, and they were both still very antagonistic towards each other. Those days are gone, and I think after the season 2 finale Damon has let go of his resentment of Stefan. |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2011 12:46:40 GMT -5
I think Damon has done plenty to return the sentiments. I think the only reasons Stefan's sacrifices seem so big in comparison is because of the way they write them. They have to make some grandiose epic moment out of every moment Stefan does something good for Damon but Damon does plenty for Stefan that goes right under our radar and we'd never realize it unless we stop and think about it. Because it's not made into as much of a big deal with Damon. How many times has Damon risked his very life to get Stefan back.? He was nearly staked in the chest by Klaus just so he could afford Elena her moment with Stefan, so she could get him home. He's offered himself up to Klaus in Stefan's place. When Stefan went missing in the beginning Damon set up an operation save Stefan tracking down his brother at every turn. I will admit there have been moments where he lost hope, but it never took much to change his mind, and get him right back on operation save Stefan. When Elena was hell bent on using Lexi's torturing method to condition Stefan back into his old self. It was Damon who let his brother out, and decided to take a different approach to helping him get better. He did it without judging and without making Stefan feel like a bad person. He was trying to teach Stefan about moderation and not having to either be one extreme or another. I think Damon has done more than enough to return the same sentiments. And if Damon wasn't hot on Stefan's trail trying to save his life, Stefan wouldn't need to continue saving his in return. The only reason Stefan has had to keep saving Damon is because Damon refuses to give up and is always trying to find a way to get Stefan his freedom from Klaus, often times at his own peril. When it comes to the "we'll let him go speech" I will say I think Elena was completely justified in wanting to do so. She doesn't know why Stefan ruined their plan, for all she knows Stefan just betrayed them and ran off. But aside from that Elena has suffered a lot this season because of her relationship with Stefan (maybe all of it was not his fault) but none the less it was painful. So yeah I understand her wanting to let go after enduring all of that, and fighting until she had no more fight left. That's more than I can say for Stefan who repeatedly walks away from her time after time without even so much as a goodbye. He did it in the end of season 2 and again after the last episode. Not once did he think of his relationship with Elena when he decided to give himself over. (while that was for good reason) I would think a goodbye to the love of your life would have been appropriate. When it comes to Damon, I think his silence showed his conflict. I think it was obvious he wasn't thrilled with the idea of letting Stefan go but in that moment he was defeated, he had done everything he knew of and yet he still failed. I think Damon felt hopeless, and at that moment he needed someone to be strong for him and Elena did that. Do I actually believe Damon will/wants to let Stefan go? Absolutely not... I think when the show returns we'll see Damon just as conflicted as he was in that moment. But then again I doubt Stefan will be away that long anyway. I'm pretty sure he'll be back in MF when the show returns. True Damon has been under the radar in the ways that he helps Stefan and does not always get credit for his actions... I actually really liked that Damon new that bartender from the 20's ...showing that he checked up on Stefan in that time to make sure he was okay.... I just think Damon guards his feelings so much that sometimes you do not know his true intentions....Plus it is difficult to trust Damon's intentions because while he is trying to save Stefan from Klaus he hitting on Elena every chance he gets... the person he knows Stefan loves (in part kinda of taking advantage of the situation).... another scene that broke my Stefan loving heart was when Damon was teaching ELena how to kill a vampire and he pulls her close to him in a romantic way while explaining that this is how you kill my brother if he tries to kill you... I don't know... he does these good things, but it is always hard to tell why he is doing it. Stefan it is clear that it is for Damon... I mean it is a product of the triangle because if the situation was switched Stefan intentions maybe misinterpreted too. Like even when the tomb vamps take Stefan and they save him... he ruins the moment by having to say "if anyone is going to kill my brother it is going to be me" He does good things, but it is his own doing that they go under appreciated because of his attitude and his inability to show emotional weakness. I don't know I seem like a Damon hater and I am not... I like him and I feel for him, but I guess, I am obviously more of a Stefan fan. Actually I kind of get what you're saying. I'm sure I misinterpret Stefan's actions, too, attributing them to something he might not intend. I guess that's how it works no matter which side you are on. I think with Damon, he is in love with Elena in spite of the fact that she was with Stefan and I don't think he's trying to hurt his brother with the things he does in that regard. In the beginning before he loved her, I'd have said he was. I also think alot of people have misinterpreted that scene where he shows her how to kill a vampire to be saying stuff like, "This is how you kill Stefan' or when he says nobody was going to hurt her, especially not his brother meant that he would kill his brother if he had to. I felt he was saying that Stefan loved her too much to be able to hurt her, but that's just me I guess. I don't think Damon would ever want to kill Stefan. He'd protect Elena but I don't think killing Stefan would be something he'd be able or want to do, but at that point in time, Elena was trying to learn how to defend herself and it wasn't just from Stefan although Stefan was sort of a wildcard at the moment. As far as how Damon deals with emotional things, well we know he's terrible at it and will often say the exact opposite of what he's actually feeling. He will go out of his way to be caustic and difficult the closer you get to his true feelings to try to drive you back. That's just him. I happen to have a family member who acts just like that so it was never hard for me to relate what I was seeing to a real life situation. Some people just cannot handle their own strong feelings and they'll lash out rather than deal with them. But once you know this about a person, it's pretty easy to figure them out and not take it personally or at face value. |
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Post by Tara on Dec 18, 2011 14:03:00 GMT -5
True Damon has been under the radar in the ways that he helps Stefan and does not always get credit for his actions... I actually really liked that Damon new that bartender from the 20's ...showing that he checked up on Stefan in that time to make sure he was okay.... I just think Damon guards his feelings so much that sometimes you do not know his true intentions....Plus it is difficult to trust Damon's intentions because while he is trying to save Stefan from Klaus he hitting on Elena every chance he gets... the person he knows Stefan loves (in part kinda of taking advantage of the situation).... another scene that broke my Stefan loving heart was when Damon was teaching ELena how to kill a vampire and he pulls her close to him in a romantic way while explaining that this is how you kill my brother if he tries to kill you... I don't know... he does these good things, but it is always hard to tell why he is doing it. Stefan it is clear that it is for Damon... I mean it is a product of the triangle because if the situation was switched Stefan intentions maybe misinterpreted too. Like even when the tomb vamps take Stefan and they save him... he ruins the moment by having to say "if anyone is going to kill my brother it is going to be me" He does good things, but it is his own doing that they go under appreciated because of his attitude and his inability to show emotional weakness. I don't know I seem like a Damon hater and I am not... I like him and I feel for him, but I guess, I am obviously more of a Stefan fan. Actually I kind of get what you're saying. I'm sure I misinterpret Stefan's actions, too, attributing them to something he might not intend. I guess that's how it works no matter which side you are on. I think with Damon, he is in love with Elena in spite of the fact that she was with Stefan and I don't think he's trying to hurt his brother with the things he does in that regard. In the beginning before he loved her, I'd have said he was. I also think alot of people have misinterpreted that scene where he shows her how to kill a vampire to be saying stuff like, "This is how you kill Stefan' or when he says nobody was going to hurt her, especially not his brother meant that he would kill his brother if he had to. I felt he was saying that Stefan loved her too much to be able to hurt her, but that's just me I guess. I don't think Damon would ever want to kill Stefan. He'd protect Elena but I don't think killing Stefan would be something he'd be able or want to do, but at that point in time, Elena was trying to learn how to defend herself and it wasn't just from Stefan although Stefan was sort of a wildcard at the moment. As far as how Damon deals with emotional things, well we know he's terrible at it and will often say the exact opposite of what he's actually feeling. He will go out of his way to be caustic and difficult the closer you get to his true feelings to try to drive you back. That's just him. I happen to have a family member who acts just like that so it was never hard for me to relate what I was seeing to a real life situation. Some people just cannot handle their own strong feelings and they'll lash out rather than deal with them. But once you know this about a person, it's pretty easy to figure them out and not take it personally or at face value. I agree. I think both Stefan fans and Damon fans can misunderstand what the other brother is doing sometimes. Because we are for the other brother. I understand why Damon fans love Damon, and I hope Damons fans understand Stefan. In the end I'm 100% for Defan. I love Stelena, but Defan I think is my major ship. I'd like to have a Stelena, Defan, and Damon and ? ending. But who knows. But I think both brothers care about eachother. I think the heart of the show is Defan honestly.  |
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 18, 2011 17:56:49 GMT -5
Yes, I definitely love the brothers and their relationship is the key to everything. I don't think one would want to survive without the other if one of them were to die. They are just that bonded despite the antagonism from both sides. As far as that statement Damon said about, if anyone was going to kill Stefan it would be him. This was right after he saved him, so you gotta take that for what it's worth. It was his way of saving face for helping Stefan when he 'claimed' to hate him.
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Post by Princess of Darkness on Dec 19, 2011 3:19:02 GMT -5
Now when it comes to brothers who might still be holding a torch for Katherine Stefan actually comes to mind. We've yet to see him have any closure on his relationship with her, even though he held on to her picture for decades(if it didn't mean anything he'd of thrown it out). He's denied over and over that he feels anything toward her, but yet we never got to see when & how that happened. Was it before he met Elena? Certainly couldn't have been because Elena's resemblance to Katherine is what drew him to her in the first place. After he met her? It's all still very unclear. If anything I think the writers forced Stefan and Elena before even making it clear whether or not he had moved on from Katherine.Stefan had an opportunity to kill her when she came to MF and began stirring up trouble but he couldn't bring himself to do it. I ask myself why is that? If she threatened Elena's life (who was his gf at the time) and he no longer had feelings for her, why not kill her when he had the chance? It's been shown that when a vampire compels someones dream all their actions are their own. At least that's the way it's been shown for the last two seasons, yet Stefan (albeit in his dream) made out with her, danced with her on one occasion and so on. Is he subconsciously harboring feelings for her? Maybe the writers are trying to send us a message. Then most recently Katherine was the one who could get through to Stefan about turning on his humanity, while Elena begged and pleaded for him to feel something for the sake of their relationship, and he didn't budge.
I don't think the Stefan/Katherine chapter is over yet... I don't think the writers would throw away that great potential for a story-line, that they haven't even explored yet. They can't just pretend that Stefan has no past with Katherine, and that he's been all about Elena since the beginning. They'd be doing another disservice to the characters if they didn't.
I completely agree with you. I feel as if anyone isn't over Katherine--- if anyone hasn't gotten closure-- it's most definitely Stefan. I mean, like you said-- I could never get over the fact that he'd held onto her picture for so long-- and if the writers WEREN'T trying to send us a message with that, tell me why then would they later have Katherine bring it up in 2x04 to Stefan?  {Mine}
I also agree about the dream thing. When Damon got into Elena's mind and made her dream about him, she obviously was able to control her actions. (As soon as Stefan took his shirt off and became Damon-- she got scared, got off, and started screaming.)
I actually recently decided that I'm shipping Steferine as my second OTP and kinda throwing Staroline out the window, at least for now. I mean.. Caroline has been so nonchalant and really just haven't even given a s*** about Stefan this season.. I expected her to care more, I guess. He was there for her and kind of helped her in the beginning..
Have they even had a scene together this season??? I don't think so..
Yeah, I just really think that Stefan and Katherine are a better fit. They are very similar, IMO, to Damon and Elena.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 19, 2011 5:28:57 GMT -5
I think it could work, too, and be interesting to watch develop. I love Katherine! I just don't think she'd be good for Damon. But Stefan, I could actually see some balance happening in a relationship between those two. Stefan's 'goodness' could really help Katherine get some humanity back, which it looks like she's starting to struggle with herself. They both are.
I mean if they're going to keep going with Stefan having this overriding 'good' thing about him than it should be something that matters along the way in a real sense. Kind of the way Elena has influenced Damon and helped him to become a better person, helped him want to rise to the occasion because she was there and always supporting him along the way no matter how 'bad' he got, always believing in him. Katherine needs that sort of thing to happen for her as well. Then they both could get the girl and everyone could be happy.
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Post by Doppelgänger on Dec 19, 2011 5:55:29 GMT -5
See, I always think back to what Emily said to Stefan... "even in death your heart is pure Stefan, I sense that about you." I just want to comment on this. Emily is the same witch that tricked Damon into a deal she never intended to keep her end of the bargain on, so I don't have alot of faith in her own goodness in order to judge anyone else. Given the fact of his ripper days, is it really true in the end? If we'd have seen Stefan at his worst would we still think he was 'good' and 'pure of heart' when he killed every single person in a village for fun? Damon was never as 'bad' as Stefan got to be and even Stefan acknowledged that. It's sort of a timeline thing, too. The brothers are at different places at different times. If we look at Damon in 1864, we see that he is trying to be a good person, disgusted with Stefan's ripper behavior and wanting nothing to do with it, then somewhere along the way he swung the other way, bitterness and resentment got the better of him. Stefan started out more into the ripper mode and struggled with that for a long time going in and out of a really dark place and killing countless people. We're not even sure how long or if he's gotten to a place where it can't happen again. It's like they both do this pendulum thing swinging between being good and being bad, both of them. In all honestly, I don't think either one of them deserves the label 'good' or 'bad' brother. For the sake of argument though there isn't really any other way to show what I think the writers themselves are doing with Stefan on the 'good' front. So, that's the history even if it seems to me like the writers aren't acknowledging it with this latest ripper thing yet still trying to keep him 'good.' I guess that's where I have trouble with him. Just when I think things will make sense, they don't. They throw out these Stefan saves the day messages while he's supposed to be in the middle of struggling with the ripper and it just makes no sense to me at all, even when he's compelled to shut off his emotions, he's saving the day. It doesn't match up to the history of him being this out of control killer of villages. At this point I'm not even sure what the point was to the ripper storyline at all if they weren't going to show us some really dark place that lurks inside of him. If there is no dark place why create the label of 'ripper' and build this backstory that indicated there was? He's just not been bad enough yet to convince me it makes any sense. Now, if he were to slip further into a place where he's killing more innocents in brutal ways, etc etc all on his own, not under compulsion, duress or any other nonsense that they've thrown at us and then Damon brings him out of it, that would make sense, because we've already pretty much been foreshadowed that Damon will be the one to save him. But again, if they are hesitating on truly making him behave badly so we can see it because of his fanbase than I guess it will never happen and he'll never be popular with the entire tvd audience because he'll never be real enough for some of us, thus earning our sympathy. They miss the boat by playing it safe. Heck I'd even take flashbacks if they don't want to make him that bad present day, just so I can really understand what they meant by 'ripper.' |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 8:23:38 GMT -5
I think it could work, too, and be interesting to watch develop. I love Katherine! I just don't think she'd be good for Damon. But Stefan, I could actually see some balance happening in a relationship between those two. Stefan's 'goodness' could really help Katherine get some humanity back, which it looks like she's starting to struggle with herself. They both are. I mean if they're going to keep going with Stefan having this overriding 'good' thing about him than it should be something that matters along the way in a real sense. Kind of the way Elena has influenced Damon and helped him to become a better person, helped him want to rise to the occasion because she was there and always supporting him along the way no matter how 'bad' he got, always believing in him. Katherine needs that sort of thing to happen for her as well. Then they both could get the girl and everyone could be happy. I see what you mean and I like that maybe he can bring that out in Katherine... I would love that to be through a friendship...What I loved about Lexi and Stefan is that it showed that you do not have to be a romantic partner to have a great impact on a character and just because you love someone does mean it has to be romantic. It gave hope to Defan be able to help each other (whom I love as well) and to me I always think of Elena as more of a "Lexi" to Damon. As for Katherine and the Datherine or Steferine, I actually do not ship Katherine with either of the Salvatore... I ship her with Elijah. There is too much a mess with the Salvatores (imo) I do not think either of them could truly trust her again in a romantic relationship. That's just my opinion... I do also think that Stefan holds onto everything (in regards to the pictures).... I mean he had it in the same place he kept all of his journals...Damon calls Stefan a pack rat, I see what you are saying. The picture did seem to be out.... I don't doubt they will explore SK a little more, but I do not think she will end up with either of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 8:36:07 GMT -5
In regards the the Ripper story. I think that storyline was built up too much... what he did was disturbing to that guy in the bar and the whole needing his name to relive the kill also disturbing... I just think people expected him to be ripping people apart in day light with no regards, which I see why with the way Klaus talked about him and the spoilers... they did show glimpses of that with those girls in the house. I mean he did some terrifying things, but I guess not actually seeing him do that took away the impact.... I actually was hoping Stefan would become a hybrid. It made sense with the whole ripper thing... I mean you look at the mess jules made of the campers and it looks very much like the mess Stefan made of those girls in the house. I think it would make the reason why he has that tendency make more sense. What I did not like about the ripper thing was that they do not give a reason for it. My theory was that we did not meet the mom that she was a werewolves or maybe her and the dad both were and that is why they knew of vampires and hated them so much.Did not turn out to be the case.... I thought Klaus wanted him has his companion because he knew he could create a hybrid out of him. I don't know I just liked that because it gave reason to him having this Ripper side.
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